Just realized ESO classes awfully fit WOW lore

Lyserus

Life - Warden
Death - Necromancer
Light - Templar
Shadow - Nightblade
Order - Dragonknight
Disorder - Sorcerer

awfully, I mean awfully, fits

bluebird

I mean, it does sort of fit I guess? If we squint hard enough... but I wouldn't call that 'WoW lore' More like general concepts, elements, archetypes, etc from fantasy and real life spirituality or whatever.

Also if we are already nerding out about WoW lore, Order is more Arcane and Titanic, while DKs are closer to Shaman with their Elemental Fire and Earth magics... also, their Poisons would fall under Nature. Nightblades are more about restoring Life and dealing Death than they are about Shadow...

So while it's nice that you like both games' lore, I think Warcraft has its own spin on generic fantasy tropes, and TES has its own spin on it - I'd rather celebrate the original lore of both games than try to make comparisons

NikaTheCat

Don't know anything about WOW lore, so maybe I'm missing something.

I don't see the Dragonknight - Order, Sorcerer - Disorder thing.
Other classes though fit pretty well.

You can also group 3 of the classes by the main elements in ESO:
Fire - Dragonknight
Lightning - Sorcerer
Ice - Warden

Lyserus

bluebird wrote: »

I mean, it does sort of fit I guess? If we squint hard enough... but I wouldn't call that 'WoW lore' More like general concepts, elements, archetypes, etc from fantasy and real life spirituality or whatever.

Also if we are already nerding out about WoW lore, Order is more Arcane and Titanic, while DKs are closer to Shaman with their Elemental Fire and Earth magics... also, their Poisons would fall under Nature. Nightblades are more about restoring Life and dealing Death than they are about Shadow...

So while it's nice that you like both games' lore, I think Warcraft has its own spin on generic fantasy tropes, and TES has its own spin on it - I'd rather celebrate the original lore of both games than try to make comparisons

NikaTheCat wrote: »

Don't know anything about WOW lore, so maybe I'm missing something.

I don't see the Dragonknight - Order, Sorcerer - Disorder thing.
Other classes though fit pretty well.

You can also group 3 of the classes by the main elements in ESO:
Fire - Dragonknight
Lightning - Sorcerer
Ice - Warden

In wow the disorder is represented by fel - burning legion, which is similar to daedra's role in elder scrolls

Dragonknight is the least fitting among them indeed, but with link of aedra and dragon （Alktosh）, their role is to bring order

Of course it won't be perfectly fit...but you gotta admit the similarity is great, perhaps too great

MartiniDaniels

I'll open your eyes, both WoW and TES lore basics and everything is taken from other stuff which is much older.

hakan

You forgot that in both games, planets are some god like entities. Azeroth have a soul and nirn made from dead gods or sth.

jpo

What does "awfully fits" even mean?

Lyserus

jpo wrote: »

What does "awfully fits" even mean?

That it shouldn't have

mxxo

If you compare smth to basic elements you will always find equivalents.

MartiniDaniels

jpo wrote: »

What does "awfully fits" even mean?

He probably is not native English speaker and so mismatched "awesome" and "awful"

Seraphayel

What has this to do with WOW (World of Warcraft?) lore?

It's basically the most generic stuff in every game, don't see why this would be specific for WoW. You can find this in most Fantasy RPGs.

TankinatorFR

hakan wrote: »

You forgot that in both games, planets are some god like entities. Azeroth have a soul and nirn made from dead gods or sth.

It was pretty common in real life ancient belief. Looks like lots of fantasy worlds are inspired by the fantasy of our ancestors. Not really surprising.

Nocturnalan

Branches of the same ancestor.

hakan

TankinatorFR wrote: »

hakan wrote: »

You forgot that in both games, planets are some god like entities. Azeroth have a soul and nirn made from dead gods or sth.

It was pretty common in real life ancient belief. Looks like lots of fantasy worlds are inspired by the fantasy of our ancestors. Not really surprising.

i mean ive only heard it in these two games. like i dont remember it was a thing in other tolkienish worlds.

interesting thought. which beliefs have this world souls?

Zorgon_The_Revenged

But where do the pandas come into all this?

EvilCroc

Dk and Sorc are far-fetched. Nuff said.

Hamrb

No no. It’s more obviously stealing from Pokémon
DK=Charizard
NB=any plant with leech seeds
Sorcerer = Pikachu
Templar = I don’t know, any light type
Warden = grass and bear Pokémon

Nisekev

IMO they barely fit into "warrior-rogue-mage" archetypes, not even talking about WoW classes (which had more classes at the beginning than ESO will have with next chapter).
P.S. pretty sad that druidic type got ice powers, would prefer necro to have them.

kargen27

You can find much the same theme in the Dragonlance Chronicles, both the books and the game. The game and books go back to the early to mid 1980's and they were not the first with this general theme by a long shot.

Great books though and plenty of lore to build an AD&D campaign around.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Lyserus wrote: »

Life - Warden
Death - Necromancer
Light - Templar
Shadow - Nightblade
Order - Dragonknight
Disorder - Sorcerer

awfully, I mean awfully, fits

There are a dozen games predating WoW my friend, want me to start writing list of what looks "similar" classes with them?

Turelus

jpo wrote: »

What does "awfully fits" even mean?

"awfully" is used British Englings to be mean "very"

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/awfully

Danikat

They also both have humans, orcs and elves who vary between all-out war and alliances over time. Including wood elves who split off from the high elves over disagreements over the appropriate use of magic. And dragons who are ancient, extremely magical beings whose power is sometimes 'borrowed' by other races. And probably dozens of other similarities.

Thing is none of this is original to either series, it's common to most high fantasy (meaning if you want to credit anyone for the original idea most of it goes to Tolkien, but even then he was adapting existing folklore and legends).

Neoealth

Life - Warden
Death - Necromancer
Light - Templar
Shadow - Nightblade
Order - Dragonknight
Nerfed - Sorcerer

I fixed it for you.

Ermiq

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

jpo wrote: »

What does "awfully fits" even mean?

He probably is not native English speaker and so mismatched "awesome" and "awful"

This post deserves some 'Awful's. Or is it 'Awesome's? Nah, it's 'Awful's, definitely.

srfrogg23

I think WoW and ESO fit Everquest lore pretty well, which fits LOTR lore pretty well.

Asys

Lyserus wrote: »

Life - Warden
Death - Necromancer
Light - Templar
Shadow - Nightblade
Order - Dragonknight
Disorder - Sorcerer

awfully, I mean awfully, fits

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

wenchmore420b14_ESO

Except TES lore pre-dates WoW lore...
And they are all taken from Tolkien, Morecock, etc....

NekoTashi

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Ravereth

NikaTheCat wrote: »

You can also group 3 of the classes by the main elements in ESO:
Fire - Dragonknight
Lightning - Sorcerer
Ice - Warden

Disease - Nightblade
Curse - Necromancer

Edit: Ahh... And...
Doctor / Crafter - Templar