Why does this game even need CCs?

StarOfElyon

Why? Why is it necessary to have this function that completely immobilizes the opponent?

And why isn't there a cool down on how frequently (lets say DKs) can spam this crap?

This isn't rewarding the best fighter.

TrinityBreaker

Inb4nerfdk

StarOfElyon

We can talk about any skill that is a hard CC. Why is it needed?

NBrookus

StarOfElyon wrote: »

And why isn't there a cool down on how frequently (lets say DKs) can spam this crap?

There is one.

StarOfElyon

Is it two seconds?

NBrookus

CC immunity is 7 seconds. Some CCs, like Draining Shot and Reach, can be "spammed" but can't CC you when you have immunity. Other CCs like Fossilize and Eclipse can't be cast on you at all if you have CC immunity.

Roots and snares are separate categories.

StarOfElyon

So why do we need CCs?

Slack

Hell Yea, *** CCs, *** Skills, *** Sets.
Make left Mouse button-spam the only way to actively engage in combat.


Ps.: I just saw your AD banana profile Pic, now this thread makes perfect sense

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Because people need to die and most of the time in PvP, unless you cc someone, they will not die.

CyrusArya

StarOfElyon wrote: »

So why do we need CCs?

Crowd control is necessary for healthy PvP. Players are not like PvE mobs and bosses that get parsed and slowly wither way. No, they put up a fight and will use every tool and mechanic available to prevent death. This is where CC comes in, allowing players to pressure resources and line up burst combos to secure kills. Without the use of CCs to set up the play, kills against good players would be difficult if not impossible to acquire.

Crowd control, and the layers of play/counterplay and resource management the mechanic enables is essential to dynamic and skillful gameplay.

Ysbriel

CC are something that have always been part of the RPG genre including previous Elder Scrolls and its just like asking : why do we need buffs and debuffs? CC provides just like buffs and debuffs either an upper hand or a chance to avoid getting killed. I’ve used CC skills in both scenarios.

Azurya

StarOfElyon wrote: »

We can talk about any skill that is a hard CC. Why is it needed?

to break zergs???
it is no fun when 24 ppl hunt you alone, but with hard CC it becomes bearable^^

Gnozo

StarOfElyon wrote: »

So why do we need CCs?

We need CC for counter play. Without CC you wont kill anybody.

There is a cooldown wich is called CC Immunity and its 6 seconds after you broke free or the CC runs out. There is also a skill wich grants you CC immunity, its under the heavy armor skill line or an immo pot.

Every MMO has stuns, immobilize and fears. Its part of the combat. Get used to it and learn how to counter it.

idk

1. We do not have cooldowns on skill which the devs have stated the game is about managing resources instead of having cooldowns on skills.

2. We all have means to free ourselves from CCs with break free and roll dodge depending on what OP is specifically speaking to.

Now, on the flip side Zos is finally trying to get a handle on combat in this game which hopefully will smooth out the heavy handed changes to the game we get regularly. They are working to codify what they want combat to look like going forward so what OP brings up could end up getting adjusted.

Uryel

Funny, I was mentionning not so long ago that this game is extremely lackluster in terms of Crowd Control.

Old timers like me remember games where Crowd Control meant AoE skills that would snare / stun / knock back / knock down / knock in the air full groups of enemies for several seconds, without any timer to protect against the effects. Meaning that, with sufficient energy sustain, you could keep them controlled forever.

"Controller" was even a full class in many games, or just a subgenre of the also-inexistant-in-ESO Support role (and by support I mean anything that helps the party directly or indirectly and isn't healing).

Kids those days don't know how easy they have it, with protection from control and those measly "stun one target for 2 seconds" thingamagie they call "crowd control".

FakeFox

You might want to do some research before complaining about something that is not even true.

CC allows offensive as well as defensive play. It is used to set up burst and to counter burst. Countering CC is also a important part of creating builds. Good use of CC requires tactical understanding and bad usage is punished. So it actually is rewarding the best fighter.

Colecovision

-puts on tin foil hat-

It's to hide the lag. My character stopped moving, buttons do nothing, now I'm dead. Time stop or lag?

StarOfElyon

FakeFox wrote: »

You might want to do some research before complaining about something that is not even true.

CC allows offensive as well as defensive play. It is used to set up burst and to counter burst. Countering CC is also a important part of creating builds. Good use of CC requires tactical understanding and bad usage is punished. So it actually is rewarding the best fighter.

I asked a question. Your snark is not desired or needed.

Raammzzaa

StarOfElyon wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

You might want to do some research before complaining about something that is not even true.

CC allows offensive as well as defensive play. It is used to set up burst and to counter burst. Countering CC is also a important part of creating builds. Good use of CC requires tactical understanding and bad usage is punished. So it actually is rewarding the best fighter.

I asked a question. Your snark is not desired or needed.

Actually, they answered the question that you posted, and offered you a suggestion.

DeadlyRecluse

StarOfElyon wrote: »

And why isn't there a cool down on how frequently (lets say DKs) can spam this crap?

There doesn't need to be a cooldown on how often CCs can be cast, because there IS a cooldown on how often the CC can effect you.

StarOfElyon wrote: »

This isn't rewarding the best fighter.

Yes, it is. Resource management, burst timing, and movement are all big parts of ESO PvP, and are all made much more interesting with the existence of hard and soft CC.

Danksta

Gnozo wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

So why do we need CCs?

We need CC for counter play. Without CC you wont kill anybody.

There is a cooldown wich is called CC Immunity and its 6 seconds after you broke free or the CC runs out. There is also a skill wich grants you CC immunity, its under the heavy armor skill line or an immo pot.

Every MMO has stuns, immobilize and fears. Its part of the combat. Get used to it and learn how to counter it.

Unless it was changed recently you do not get CC immunity if the CC expires on it's own.

validifyedneb18_ESO

If there where no CC, what would you do? Hu?
enjoy the game? What makes you think you have the right to enjoy this game?!

Seriously though, between 10 second buffs and spammable CC, this game's combat system is fundamentally designed for sperglords. There's a reason why other games put things like Walls/Stuns/Heals etc on cooldown timers. Probably another consequence of having only 12 slots.

WoppaBoem

CC rocks, it makes the game fun without it would be a spam fest of buttons instead of tinking your fight strategy trough and play smart. I love the CC's

validifyedneb18_ESO

WoppaBoem wrote: »

CC rocks, it makes the game fun without it would be a spam fest of buttons instead of tinking your fight strategy trough and play smart. I love the CC's

- Someone who's probably in low MMR everyone o//

StarOfElyon

Danksta wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

So why do we need CCs?

We need CC for counter play. Without CC you wont kill anybody.

There is a cooldown wich is called CC Immunity and its 6 seconds after you broke free or the CC runs out. There is also a skill wich grants you CC immunity, its under the heavy armor skill line or an immo pot.

Every MMO has stuns, immobilize and fears. Its part of the combat. Get used to it and learn how to counter it.

Unless it was changed recently you do not get CC immunity if the CC expires on it's own.

So if you don't manage to break free but you survive the onslaught, CC can just be reapplied. Am I correct? Because this is what seems to be happening.

Danksta

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

So why do we need CCs?

We need CC for counter play. Without CC you wont kill anybody.

There is a cooldown wich is called CC Immunity and its 6 seconds after you broke free or the CC runs out. There is also a skill wich grants you CC immunity, its under the heavy armor skill line or an immo pot.

Every MMO has stuns, immobilize and fears. Its part of the combat. Get used to it and learn how to counter it.

Unless it was changed recently you do not get CC immunity if the CC expires on it's own.

So if you don't manage to break free but you survive the onslaught, CC can just be reapplied. Am I correct? Because this is what seems to be happening.

If I remember correctly, yes. You can tell if you've been granted CC immunity by the swirling lines around your feet.

Gnozo

Danksta wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

So why do we need CCs?

We need CC for counter play. Without CC you wont kill anybody.

There is a cooldown wich is called CC Immunity and its 6 seconds after you broke free or the CC runs out. There is also a skill wich grants you CC immunity, its under the heavy armor skill line or an immo pot.

Every MMO has stuns, immobilize and fears. Its part of the combat. Get used to it and learn how to counter it.

Unless it was changed recently you do not get CC immunity if the CC expires on it's own.

So if you don't manage to break free but you survive the onslaught, CC can just be reapplied. Am I correct? Because this is what seems to be happening.

If I remember correctly, yes. You can tell if you've been granted CC immunity by the swirling lines around your feet.

It gives you immunity when it runs out.

A really really long time ago, the immunity granted on CC expiring was just like 2 or 3 seconds but this got changed and the immunity granted is 6 seconds on break free and expire.

Enzym3

As someone who only plays this game for the pvp, i do hate CC but let's be honest, most good players struggle to finish someone off who knows how to pvp, I have only 1 build that does not rely on CC and it is absolutely min/maxed to hell and still struggles to finish off good players with high sustain.

Good example, my stam warden could literally sit on his back bar spamming shimmering shield and popping burst heal from time to time and never die, but if i am CC'd (not immobilised) then i cannot cast that stuff and if i dont get out of it quick enough i am toast.

CC i hate and CC we need.

FakeFox

StarOfElyon wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

You might want to do some research before complaining about something that is not even true.

CC allows offensive as well as defensive play. It is used to set up burst and to counter burst. Countering CC is also a important part of creating builds. Good use of CC requires tactical understanding and bad usage is punished. So it actually is rewarding the best fighter.

I asked a question. Your snark is not desired or needed.

StarOfElyon wrote: »

And why isn't there a cool down on how frequently (lets say DKs) can spam this crap?

Mh, ok.

StarOfElyon

FakeFox wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

You might want to do some research before complaining about something that is not even true.

CC allows offensive as well as defensive play. It is used to set up burst and to counter burst. Countering CC is also a important part of creating builds. Good use of CC requires tactical understanding and bad usage is punished. So it actually is rewarding the best fighter.

I asked a question. Your snark is not desired or needed.

StarOfElyon wrote: »

And why isn't there a cool down on how frequently (lets say DKs) can spam this crap?

Mh, ok.

Hmm?

StarOfElyon

WNxSiv wrote: »

As someone who only plays this game for the pvp, i do hate CC but let's be honest, most good players struggle to finish someone off who knows how to pvp, I have only 1 build that does not rely on CC and it is absolutely min/maxed to hell and still struggles to finish off good players with high sustain.

Good example, my stam warden could literally sit on his back bar spamming shimmering shield and popping burst heal from time to time and never die, but if i am CC'd (not immobilised) then i cannot cast that stuff and if i dont get out of it quick enough i am toast.

CC i hate and CC we need.

The game has turned into "who can CC first and most frequently". There should be a penalty for overuse of CC. Like, a CC actually backfires and the attacker stuns
their self. If they can't kill me after three CCs then they deserve to eat my Radiant Oppression. They shouldn't be allowed to spam it until someone shows up to help them or they just finally manage to kill me.