The ZOS Artists Have Not Forgotten ;)

bellanca6561n

When you look at the Redguard gal in the splash screen for Mirkmire I couldn't help but be reminded of something.....look at her armor....



Looks quite similar to this: the original Redguard light armor.



Yes, this is an almost ancient controversy, given that game years are even more extended than dog years, but it was never well explained why this armor style was removed from the game.

Any chance of getting it back?

bellanca6561n

As a costume, perhaps?

Acrolas

She's carrying a fermenting bladder and her backpack uses a neck harness.
I think the whole image reinforces what we see during that first Xanmeer quest. Outsiders thought Murkmire would be a fun little nature hike and they wound up utterly unprepared for the dangerous reality they walked into.

Meanwhile the Argonians are like, whatever just another Tirdas to us.

dcam86b14_ESO

I few of the armor was revised due to a "minor" uproar over being too sexualized. This is why we can't have nice things.

dovakiin5574

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

I few of the armor was revised due to a "minor" uproar over being too sexualized. This is why we can't have nice things.

And yet now we complain that we can't hide armor and run around naked

TheDarkoil

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

I few of the armor was revised due to a "minor" uproar over being too sexualized. This is why we can't have nice things.

My character brings the sexy to every fight 😀

InvictusApollo

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

I few of the armor was revised due to a "minor" uproar over being too sexualized. This is why we can't have nice things.

Thank you feminists and sjws

Wolfchild07

Except we have dark shaman, seducer, bathing towel and other revealing costumes. The whole thing was silly, they should have left it alone. Or, you know, you can just run around naked.

bluebird

Ehh, to be fair that could also just be an oddly coloured Wood Elf medium Tier 1

And as for why they changed the Redguard style, it makes perfect sense. This isn't an outfit style or a costume, but the cultural armor of an entire race (one of the most martial races in Tamriel) and it makes no sense to force their recruits, mages, healers, covenant caster NPC enemies in Pact and Dominion lands, and whoever else to run around with their midriff and chest bare. The old male Redguard light 'armor' was little more than a scarf and an open slit from neck to navel

These Redguard armor changes happened together with the Orc armor changes iirc, and I trust nobody argues that designing a boob window into the chestplate of Tamriel's other most martial race was a good idea So yes, the Orcish stab-me-in-the-heart boob window and the Redguard 'just-drape-a-scarf-on-your-torso' Redguard battlemage uniform had to go.

Wolfchild07 wrote: »

Except we have dark shaman, seducer, bathing towel and other revealing costumes. The whole thing was silly, they should have left it alone. Or, you know, you can just run around naked.

So as described above no, they shouldn't have left it alone, and the whole thing wasn't silly. But yes, there's nothing wrong with the design itself, and would be fine as another Clothing item we can loot from wardrobes like the kilts, skirts and dresses, or a Costume like the Redguard 'bellydancer' style cultural outfit. However, after all the undeserved hate ZOS got for their pretty common-sense redesign from unhappy skimpy-armor-demanding-fans, the return of the old style is unlikely at this point imo

Ravena

This seems a lot more tame than some sets now.

Like Fang Lair...or the bath towel...

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

TheDarkoil wrote: »

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

I few of the armor was revised due to a "minor" uproar over being too sexualized. This is why we can't have nice things.

My character brings the sexy to every fight 😀

I shall try to delete my brain right now...
nope didn't work

bluebird

Ravena wrote: »

This seems a lot more tame than some sets now.

Like Fang Lair...or the bath towel...

The pic that the OP inserted with the sleeves is one of the 'advanced' tiers of the armor. Here's the basic one:



And as for the bath towel: the Bath towel is a costume, and there's nothing wrong with it, the same way there's nothing wrong with the bellydancer costume and the dark shaman costume, but the old Redguard armor (above, left) was supposed to be how Redguards would culturally dress their male spellcasters (healers, battlemages in the Covenant army, etc), and I hope we can all agree that it's ridiculous Could the 'old Redguard' style be added as a costume, sure. But the decision to make the armor of one of the most martial-focused races of Tamriel have less coverage than the tavern wench dresses we can find ingame is a bit questionable, so I'm glad they changed it (above, right).

As for Fang Lair: Fang Lair was added as a style after we already had like 60 styles and even more costumes in the game. The Redguard ***-scarf (not sure what to call that thing lol) was changed ages ago along with the orcish boob-window at a time in the game when there were only a few motifs and no piles of skimpy costumes, and since it was the primary style of one of the 9 races of Tamriel, and one of the most combat-focused ones at that, it makes sense for it to be a bit more reasonable-looking than the garb of some dragon-worshipping cultists.


Case in point: putting ridiculous skimpy styles as the racial armor of two of the most martial races of Tamriel is nonsense, but it's perfectly fine to release costumes that show skin. Comparison between the old orc racial 'boobwindow' armor that was changed along with the redguard chests, and the new orc wise woman racial costume that has a gap on her chest but is completely fine because it's clothing, not armor or racial mage uniform.


Edit: Forgot to say that the Orc/Redguard armor update also accompanied ZOS's general policy to design armor that uses the same skin for male and female versions of the armor - the current Redguard male robe is pretty much identical to the current Redguard female robe, same with the newer armors that come out, they just design one look and fit it to the male model and the female model (adding *** coverage when needed), rather than designing two completely different set of armors per motif for male/female chars as the Redguard was before. So even without considering boobwindows, their new approach is more efficient.

MornaBaine

I would kill to have that armor back, even as costumes!

Mettaricana

InvictusApollo wrote: »

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

I few of the armor was revised due to a "minor" uproar over being too sexualized. This is why we can't have nice things.

Thank you feminists and sjws

Same reason we lost the orc heavy armor boobwindow

bluebird

Mettaricana wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

I few of the armor was revised due to a "minor" uproar over being too sexualized. This is why we can't have nice things.

Thank you feminists and sjws

Same reason we lost the orc heavy armor boobwindow

A few of the armors were revised due to a "minor' uproar over being too sexualized not making sense as armor.

Thank you feminsts and sjws common sense

Same reason we lost the orc heavy armor boobwindow

^ There, I fixed that for you

zaria

Wolfchild07 wrote: »

Except we have dark shaman, seducer, bathing towel and other revealing costumes. The whole thing was silly, they should have left it alone. Or, you know, you can just run around naked.

And Bosmer armor who show even more skin.

FleetwoodSmack

zaria wrote: »

Wolfchild07 wrote: »

Except we have dark shaman, seducer, bathing towel and other revealing costumes. The whole thing was silly, they should have left it alone. Or, you know, you can just run around naked.

And Bosmer armor who show even more skin.

Especially after they've eaten.

WitchyWarrior

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

I few of the armor was revised due to a "minor" uproar over being too sexualized. This is why we can't have nice things.

I dont think that was it at all. They changed the look right before the crown store was a thing. Noe look at the costumes that you can buy. Way more "revealing"

But the, I think, Kaijit Medium chest rawhide looks exactly the same as the top in the above picture.

Red_Feather

I prefer the non sexualized armour. I like my game's warriors looking tough and not trying to appeal to some kids hormones.

No offense to people who want to be turned on while gaming.

Judas Helviaryn

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Wolfchild07 wrote: »

Except we have dark shaman, seducer, bathing towel and other revealing costumes. The whole thing was silly, they should have left it alone. Or, you know, you can just run around naked.

And Bosmer armor who show even more skin.

Especially after they've eaten.

bluebird

zaria wrote: »

Wolfchild07 wrote: »

Except we have dark shaman, seducer, bathing towel and other revealing costumes. The whole thing was silly, they should have left it alone. Or, you know, you can just run around naked.

And Bosmer armor who show even more skin.

Hate to be the 'akshully' ESO fashion nerd on this thread, but Bosmer armor does not show more skin As mentioned above, the image OP posted is the higher tier version of the old female Redguard armor, the basic version was just a chestwrap without any sleeves. For comparison of actual low-tier armors, see the male redguard armor I posted and the low-tier bosmer male armor here - bosmer clearly has more coverage.

And comparisons aside, it fits the bosmer culture to dress in more casual clothing - they are quasi-nomadic, living in walking trees, outdoors, and spend a large portion of their life running around amongst flowers. Their 'cultural casters' are also tree-singers and spinners who just sit in bushes and talk to plants (okay, I'm not actually bosmer but I'm convinced that this is an accurate report of their culture ).

Also, from the wiki: "For a brief period of time, the Colovian armies used Bosmer Archers, such as in the War of Rihad in 2E 862. However, they were highly undisciplined and too prone to desertion to be of significant use. As a rule, Bosmers are adept at sneaking, and one of their most famous poems, the Meh Ayledion literally means The One Thousand Benefits of Hiding." This is just an example, but as a rule Bosmer are sneaky and more likely to pincushion their target with arrows then disappear into the bushes than to fight anything, they aren't very organized and don't participate well in armies/combat units, and their culture favors ranged weapons and has more emphasis on not eating vegetables than on combat.

Redguard culture on the other hand is quite different: "The Redguard (or "Yokudan") culture is martial by nature. Every man, woman and child is schooled in the art of war and combat from a very young age." Clearly no combat-focused race would issue a chestwrap as standard armor for their people (as clothing, sure, but not as armor). And while their culture celebrates sword-singers instead of mages, and prefers martial arts to magic which they view as inferior, "Redguards are fond of Destruction spells which suits their culture well." So a culture with a long-standing organized military history and martial tradition, which employs battlemages in their militaristic and traditional society wouldn't recommend that their casters wear a scarf draped across their neck and pectorals with a giant gaping hole down to their navel

I don't think I have to make a similar point how unlikely it would be for orc cultural armor to recommend that their female warriors display their boobs in a convenient little chestplate window - they are far more likely to recommend she wears normal armor and a necklace made from the crushed teeth of dudes who dared to tell her that she should dress more attractively Anyway, I'm probably taking this discussion too seriously from the point of lore, but it still makes sense to have cultural armor styles be appropriate to the culture. Players and individual NPCs have the choice to dress skimpily with costumes and clothing items which allows for self-expression and NPC diversity, but the defining cultural armor of a race shouldn't be designed based on its eyecandy factor.

RANKK7

bluebird wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

I few of the armor was revised due to a "minor" uproar over being too sexualized. This is why we can't have nice things.

Thank you feminists and sjws

Same reason we lost the orc heavy armor boobwindow

A few of the armors were revised due to a "minor' uproar over being too sexualized not making sense as armor.

Thank you feminsts and sjws common sense

Same reason we lost the orc heavy armor boobwindow

^ There, I fixed that for you

there is magic in this game if you aren't aware, and it's a game, not some kind of reality simulator. A bunch of polys with metal cubemaps slapped on in that spot aren't going to make it armor anyways.
Oh, and ppl run around in bath towel and odalisque costume already and like it! If you didn't notice.
common sense...

bluebird

RANKK7 wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

I few of the armor was revised due to a "minor" uproar over being too sexualized. This is why we can't have nice things.

Thank you feminists and sjws

Same reason we lost the orc heavy armor boobwindow

A few of the armors were revised due to a "minor' uproar over being too sexualized not making sense as armor.

Thank you feminsts and sjws common sense

Same reason we lost the orc heavy armor boobwindow

^ There, I fixed that for you

there is magic in this game if you aren't aware, and it's a game, not some kind of reality simulator. A bunch of polys with metal cubemaps slapped on in that spot aren't going to make it armor anyways.
Oh, and ppl run around in bath towel and odalisque costume already and like it! If you didn't notice.
common sense...

I already highlighted the difference between costumes (the bath towel and other skimpy options like the bellydancer outfit, etc.) and racial armor, you probably missed that. I'm also aware that there is magic in this game, I even made references to it in my posts above, and it's part of lore - the same lore that says Redguards are a highly martial combat-focused culture. I also said that there is nothing wrong with the design as such, and there's nothing wrong with it returning as clothing or an outfit, and there is nothing wrong with the current skimpy costumes, just that it made sense that the standard Redguard armor that is forced on all NPCs as the most representative design for their cultural spellcasters was changed into the new version. So, yes common sense.