STAM DK - Stuck on 36k DPS, Guidance needed ( Video + pics )

Mariusghost84

Im looking to improve myself and after countless hours and help from you guys, i have managed to do 36k parse on my CP702 stam DK. This is the best parse ive done so far, most normal parses end up being around 34k ( Thats up 2k from where i was 4 days ago, you guys helped me out in my other thread ). My light attack count is at 0,5 pr second, and it actually took my a while to get it this high. With my setup i should be getting higher numbers. My goal is 45k. I am not nearly comfortable with my lightweaving and spamming the left mouse button has made my finger hurt as hell. I spent some time on putting all of this together so you can get a clearer picture of what my issues are.

Help is as always much appreciated. If some other relevant data is missing in here, just tell me what it is and i will include it. Thanks in advance!

@Oreyn_Bearclaw - You among others took me up from 20k to the numbers i am doing today - thank you!

1. Is there anything in my build that can be improved, besides another infused dagger?
2. Is my rotation on point? Obviously its not so this is where i need most help.
3. How can i more effeciently lightweave? I am getting max 5 procent total dmg from lightattacks.

My rotation:
3. I use essence of wep power on cooldown and buff up with FoO and drop rearming trap first.
4. LA - Endless Hail - LA - Razor caltrops - LA - Poison injection , Barswap
5. LA Rending slashes - LA - Venomous Claw - LA - Noxious Breath - ( i reply trap if it ran out ) - Venomous claw as many times as i can before switching bar 1 sek before Endless hail runs out
6. I basically reapeat that, and throw in trap and FoO into rotation when they are about to run out.

Pic of my build:


Video of the parse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OsGDYHy26Y&feature=youtu.be

Pic of combatlog:

BadShogun

Your penetration is way higher than it should be. Take Piercing CP down to 24 and distribute the points to Master at arms, thaumaturge and precise strikes.

It also looks like you are not keeping Relequen up, and that will be solved by more practice weaving.

Mariusghost84

BadShogun wrote: »

Your penetration is way higher than it should be. Take Piercing CP down to 24 and distribute the points to Master at arms, thaumaturge and precise strikes.

It also looks like you are not keeping Relequen up, and that will be solved by more practice weaving.

Yeah thats kinda my issue, not keeping relequen up enough. Can someone give me an exact numbers of ligt attacks on front and back bar? I think im doing way to many to be honest, as i spend a lot of time on my backbar. Wont lowering penetration also lower my total DPS?

Asmael

You are using Advancing Yokeda only on front bar, thus pretty much every time you go to your backbar, you will lose the extra crit. Replace the trap on your backbar with Silver leash to force you to use Rearming trap on the front bar. Another easy change is to swap FoO and vigor.

For weaving itself, you can try to do a DW LA > swap > Endless Hail to stay a tiny bit longer on your front bar and refreshing Yokeda before going on your bow bar. This does require a bit of getting used and practice, so take your time to try it out before doing full parses.

When possible, try not to use Standard with all 3 backbar abilities in a row. It takes 2 extra swaps for a very minor increase, so if you have trouble with this one, try the above options first.

Finally, try to practice weaving by doing a light attack and only casting an ability when you see your character starting the light attack animation.

Mariusghost84

Asmael wrote: »

You are using Advancing Yokeda only on front bar, thus pretty much every time you go to your backbar, you will lose the extra crit. Replace the trap on your backbar with Silver leash to force you to use Rearming trap on the front bar. Another easy change is to swap FoO and vigor.

For weaving itself, you can try to do a DW LA > swap > Endless Hail to stay a tiny bit longer on your front bar and refreshing Yokeda before going on your bow bar. This does require a bit of getting used and practice, so take your time to try it out before doing full parses.

When possible, try not to use Standard with all 3 backbar abilities in a row. It takes 2 extra swaps for a very minor increase, so if you have trouble with this one, try the above options first.

Finally, try to practice weaving by doing a light attack and only casting an ability when you see your character starting the light attack animation.

Swap FoO with what? All i do is pug so i cant swap out Vigor. How many light attacks would you say i should do in total on backbar? I will try to practise later today exactly as you said. Thanks for your input man.

Asmael

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

You are using Advancing Yokeda only on front bar, thus pretty much every time you go to your backbar, you will lose the extra crit. Replace the trap on your backbar with Silver leash to force you to use Rearming trap on the front bar. Another easy change is to swap FoO and vigor.

For weaving itself, you can try to do a DW LA > swap > Endless Hail to stay a tiny bit longer on your front bar and refreshing Yokeda before going on your bow bar. This does require a bit of getting used and practice, so take your time to try it out before doing full parses.

When possible, try not to use Standard with all 3 backbar abilities in a row. It takes 2 extra swaps for a very minor increase, so if you have trouble with this one, try the above options first.

Finally, try to practice weaving by doing a light attack and only casting an ability when you see your character starting the light attack animation.

Swap FoO with what? All i do is pug so i cant swap out Vigor. How many light attacks would you say i should do in total on backbar? I will try to practise later today exactly as you said. Thanks for your input man.

To be clearer, use Vigor on your backbar and FoO on your front bar to increase the time spent on your DW bar.

Mariusghost84

Asmael wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

You are using Advancing Yokeda only on front bar, thus pretty much every time you go to your backbar, you will lose the extra crit. Replace the trap on your backbar with Silver leash to force you to use Rearming trap on the front bar. Another easy change is to swap FoO and vigor.

For weaving itself, you can try to do a DW LA > swap > Endless Hail to stay a tiny bit longer on your front bar and refreshing Yokeda before going on your bow bar. This does require a bit of getting used and practice, so take your time to try it out before doing full parses.

When possible, try not to use Standard with all 3 backbar abilities in a row. It takes 2 extra swaps for a very minor increase, so if you have trouble with this one, try the above options first.

Finally, try to practice weaving by doing a light attack and only casting an ability when you see your character starting the light attack animation.

Swap FoO with what? All i do is pug so i cant swap out Vigor. How many light attacks would you say i should do in total on backbar? I will try to practise later today exactly as you said. Thanks for your input man.

To be clearer, use Vigor on your backbar and FoO on your front bar to increase the time spent on your DW bar.

That makes perfect sense. Just the kind of tips i was after! I will switch them both. Again, awsome reply.

Protossyder

Do: (...) - LA - skill - LA - barswap cancel - Endless Hail - LA - Razor caltrops - LA - Poison injection - barswap cancel - (...)

You will get a higher AY uptime (hopefully 80%+ of the x5 bonus) and your rotation will run more smoothly. The LA-Endless Hail-combo tends to kill the flow of your rotation. Use three skills max in a row on your backbar.

And like the other guys suggested: FoO and trap on front bar.

Protossyder

Just realized that @Asmael already mentioned everything I just wrote, so never mind me...

Drako_Ei

You are dropping relequen and advancing yokeda, you should be able to cast 3 skills at backbar and go back to frontbar, and always light attack before each skill, that will keep advancing yokeda at 5 stacks always, and relequen at 20 stacks always

sudaki_eso

Good to see you made progress! In my test selene still does more damage then velidreth - at least single target wise and on the target dummy. So try switching the monster set to squeeze some more dps out of your build.

Mariusghost84

sudaki_eso wrote: »

Good to see you made progress! In my test selene still does more damage then velidreth - at least single target wise and on the target dummy. So try switching the monster set to squeeze some more dps out of your build.

Thanks man! I am 100% certain that my biggest issue now is my rotation. I am spending WAY to much time on my second bar and to little on front , i think. Do you happen to have exact number of LA on each bar? Am i supposed to LA between ALL skills on both bars?

Any idea what my uptime on Relequen and AY should be?

John_Falstaff

@Mariusghost84 , on 3mil you may see about 60% uptime for 20 stacks of Relequen and maybe 85% and higher uptime on AY stacks.

In practice, you should have only three active skills participating in rotation on back bar - Hail, Poison Injection, Caltrops, it's optimal because that way AY stacks don't fall off each rotation. In terms of weaves, you do LA after last skill cast on front bar (for me it's trap), then Hail, then you weave LAs with Poison Injection and Caltrops. So on back bar, you have three skill casts and two weaves (because one weave technically starts on front bar before swap). Put Claw, Rending, Flames of Oblivion, Noxious and Trap on your front bar, then you'll be spending only 4 seconds out of 12 on your back bar (3 skill casts but 4 seconds because Hail cast has a long wind-up).

sudaki_eso

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Any idea what my uptime on Relequen and AY should be?

What John said sums it up perfectly. On my backbar i pretty much use the same rotation you do:
Endless Hail - LA - Poison injection - LA - Razor Caltrops - Barswap
On the frontbar my rotation right now is: HA - Noxious Breath - HA - Rending slashes - LA Venomous Claw - LA VC - LA Trap - LA - FoO - Barswap

Vermethys

Pretty solid advice from the rest here, though what especially caught my attention was how low the DPS from your light-attacks in the cmx window is -- for me, light-attacks are the second highest DPS component. I play a stamina Nightblade, but I don't think class should make much difference in that regards.

(12% -- 6k dps from DW light-attacks)


Try bringing your Piercing CP down to 24, Master-at-Arms to 56 or 61 and Physical Weapons Expert to 16 or 19.

As others have said, you are spending more time on your backbar than you need to, and the backbar is always much weaker than the front DW bar. I've never played a stamDK in challenging PvE content, but I'd surely put Vigor on the back bar and FoO on the front, and cast Rearming Trap only from the front bar to minimise time spent on the back bar.

So, the rotation should be: FoO > Rearming Trap > [Bar Swap] > Standard of Might > LA (optional) > Endless Hail > LA > Caltrops > LA > Poison Injection > [Bar Swap] > LA > Noxious Breath > LA > Venomous Claw > LA > Rending Slashes (if you use Rending as the spammable, repeat LA > Rending Slashes until you have 1-2 seconds left from Poison Injection, then drop Rearming Trap and repeat the rotation). Ideally, you'd only visit your backbar for about 3-4 seconds to reapply Endless Hail, Caltrops, and Poison Injection. I am not sure if it's better to use Standard of Might or Flawless Dawnbreaker throughout the fight, but be sure to drop Standard of Might at the beginning. Hope this helps in anyway.

Mariusghost84

sudaki_eso wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Any idea what my uptime on Relequen and AY should be?

What John said sums it up perfectly. On my backbar i pretty much use the same rotation you do:
Endless Hail - LA - Poison injection - LA - Razor Caltrops - Barswap
On the frontbar my rotation right now is: HA - Noxious Breath - HA - Rending slashes - LA Venomous Claw - LA VC - LA Trap - LA - FoO - Barswap

OK i see. I will have to somehow be quicker with light attacks and rotation on second bar. Did you deliberatly put caltrops as last skill on off bar , since the animation cancles smoothly while changing bars?

John_Falstaff

@Mariusghost84 , the only requirement for back bar is that Hail should be cast early if you're running vMA bow, because it has a well-known quirk - its buff does not activate if you've swapped to front bar before the first Hail damage tick have hit the ground. Of Caltrops and PI, it's a matter of preference, I'd say, you can cancel either; I prefer to cancel Caltrops because it has a bit longer animation, unpleasantly so, but from technical standpoint, cancelling PI should give you a slight edge because if you're fast, PI will hit the target already on front bar and will be buffed with front bar's stats. I didn't observe much difference, frankly. (And yes, Master bow has same quirk, so if you're using Master bow, then avoid canceling Poison Injection.)

Mariusghost84

vermillion2077 wrote: »

Pretty solid advice from the rest here, though what especially caught my attention was how low the DPS from your light-attacks in the cmx window is -- for me, light-attacks are the second highest DPS component. I play a stamina Nightblade, but I don't think class should make much difference in that regards.

(12% -- 6k dps from DW light-attacks)


Try bringing your Piercing CP down to 24, Master-at-Arms to 56 or 61 and Physical Weapons Expert to 16 or 19.

As others have said, you are spending more time on your backbar than you need to, and the backbar is always much weaker than the front DW bar. I've never played a stamDK in challenging PvE content, but I'd surely put Vigor on the back bar and FoO on the front, and cast Rearming Trap only from the front bar to minimise time spent on the back bar.

So, the rotation should be: FoO > Rearming Trap > [Bar Swap] > Standard of Might > LA (optional) > Endless Hail > LA > Caltrops > LA > Poison Injection > [Bar Swap] > LA > Noxious Breath > LA > Venomous Claw > LA > Rending Slashes (if you use Rending as the spammable, repeat LA > Rending Slashes until you have 1-2 seconds left from Poison Injection, then drop Rearming Trap and repeat the rotation). Ideally, you'd only visit your backbar for about 3-4 seconds to reapply Endless Hail, Caltrops, and Poison Injection. I am not sure if it's better to use Standard of Might or Flawless Dawnbreaker throughout the fight, but be sure to drop Standard of Might at the beginning. Hope this helps in anyway.

This absolutely helps. I will switch up Vigor with FoO and only use trap on frontbar. This and do weaving on backbar more effectivly and limit time spent there to 3-4 sec. I will also allocate CP the way you suggested ( ive seen several people suggest something like that ) so hopefull all these things put together will get me past 36k. Cant wait to test these changes!

Mariusghost84

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

vermillion2077 wrote: »

Pretty solid advice from the rest here, though what especially caught my attention was how low the DPS from your light-attacks in the cmx window is -- for me, light-attacks are the second highest DPS component. I play a stamina Nightblade, but I don't think class should make much difference in that regards.

(12% -- 6k dps from DW light-attacks)


Try bringing your Piercing CP down to 24, Master-at-Arms to 56 or 61 and Physical Weapons Expert to 16 or 19.

As others have said, you are spending more time on your backbar than you need to, and the backbar is always much weaker than the front DW bar. I've never played a stamDK in challenging PvE content, but I'd surely put Vigor on the back bar and FoO on the front, and cast Rearming Trap only from the front bar to minimise time spent on the back bar.

So, the rotation should be: FoO > Rearming Trap > [Bar Swap] > Standard of Might > LA (optional) > Endless Hail > LA > Caltrops > LA > Poison Injection > [Bar Swap] > LA > Noxious Breath > LA > Venomous Claw > LA > Rending Slashes (if you use Rending as the spammable, repeat LA > Rending Slashes until you have 1-2 seconds left from Poison Injection, then drop Rearming Trap and repeat the rotation). Ideally, you'd only visit your backbar for about 3-4 seconds to reapply Endless Hail, Caltrops, and Poison Injection. I am not sure if it's better to use Standard of Might or Flawless Dawnbreaker throughout the fight, but be sure to drop Standard of Might at the beginning. Hope this helps in anyway.

This absolutely helps. I will switch up Vigor with FoO and only use trap on frontbar. This and do weaving on backbar more effectivly and limit time spent there to 3-4 sec. I will also allocate CP the way you suggested ( ive seen several people suggest something like that ) so hopefull all these things put together will get me past 36k. Cant wait to test these changes!

Edit: How on earth are you able to to light attack this effectivly?Do you spam lightattack after skills or use it calmly, controlled? That DPS score is amazing man. @vermillion2077

Vermethys

@Mariusghost84

Well, Nightblade rewards you the most out of all classes for weaving perfectly, thanks to Leeching Strikes and Relentless Focus, and it's my favourite DD class which I've been playing for the longest time.

It's honestly difficult for me to say now, because light-attack weaving has become just muscle memory. But it works on a sort of routine rhythm -- ability, left-click, ability, left-click. So, I don't remember when or how I started light-attack weaving. I think to effectively practice light-attack weaving, try using your full rotation on a Precursor dummy (about 300k health) but go a lot slower and take your time to make sure you land a light-attack after each ability. To answer your question, it's a somewhat controlled action though not always calm since I'm usually in a rush ^^

Mariusghost84

vermillion2077 wrote: »

@Mariusghost84

Well, Nightblade rewards you the most out of all classes for weaving perfectly, thanks to Leeching Strikes and Relentless Focus, and it's my favourite DD class which I've been playing for the longest time.

It's honestly difficult for me to say now, because light-attack weaving has become just muscle memory. But it works on a sort of routine rhythm -- ability, left-click, ability, left-click. So, I don't remember when or how I started light-attack weaving. I think to effectively practice light-attack weaving, try using your full rotation on a Precursor dummy (about 300k health) but go a lot slower and take your time to make sure you land a light-attack after each ability. To answer your question, it's a somewhat controlled action though not always calm since I'm usually in a rush ^^

I thought pushing an ability then spamming lightattack button would do the trick, obviously this isnt the case. Anways, thank you for the input bro.

MassTerror23

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Im looking to improve myself and after countless hours and help from you guys, i have managed to do 36k parse on my CP702 stam DK. This is the best parse ive done so far, most normal parses end up being around 34k ( Thats up 2k from where i was 4 days ago, you guys helped me out in my other thread ). My light attack count is at 0,5 pr second, and it actually took my a while to get it this high. With my setup i should be getting higher numbers. My goal is 45k. I am not nearly comfortable with my lightweaving and spamming the left mouse button has made my finger hurt as hell. I spent some time on putting all of this together so you can get a clearer picture of what my issues are.

Help is as always much appreciated. If some other relevant data is missing in here, just tell me what it is and i will include it. Thanks in advance!

@Oreyn_Bearclaw - You among others took me up from 20k to the numbers i am doing today - thank you!

1. Is there anything in my build that can be improved, besides another infused dagger?
2. Is my rotation on point? Obviously its not so this is where i need most help.
3. How can i more effeciently lightweave? I am getting max 5 procent total dmg from lightattacks.

My rotation:
3. I use essence of wep power on cooldown and buff up with FoO and drop rearming trap first.
4. LA - Endless Hail - LA - Razor caltrops - LA - Poison injection , Barswap
5. LA Rending slashes - LA - Venomous Claw - LA - Noxious Breath - ( i reply trap if it ran out ) - Venomous claw as many times as i can before switching bar 1 sek before Endless hail runs out
6. I basically reapeat that, and throw in trap and FoO into rotation when they are about to run out.

Pic of my build:


Video of the parse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OsGDYHy26Y&feature=youtu.be

Pic of combatlog:

Change piercings to 24 and put rest in master at arms. Change bars to this: fb- trap beast, rending, noxious, claw, FoO.
Ob- hail, caltrops, inject, two undaunted

Prefight: FoO and pot
Rotation: La-trap-bs-La-hail-La-caltrops-La-inject-bs-La-trap-(La-rending)x2-La-noxious-(La-claw)x3-La-FoO

You do two rending twice to let claw dot to finish. You want the OB to be only 3 casting abilities so that AY won’t fall off.

MashmalloMan

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

vermillion2077 wrote: »

@Mariusghost84

Well, Nightblade rewards you the most out of all classes for weaving perfectly, thanks to Leeching Strikes and Relentless Focus, and it's my favourite DD class which I've been playing for the longest time.

It's honestly difficult for me to say now, because light-attack weaving has become just muscle memory. But it works on a sort of routine rhythm -- ability, left-click, ability, left-click. So, I don't remember when or how I started light-attack weaving. I think to effectively practice light-attack weaving, try using your full rotation on a Precursor dummy (about 300k health) but go a lot slower and take your time to make sure you land a light-attack after each ability. To answer your question, it's a somewhat controlled action though not always calm since I'm usually in a rush ^^

I thought pushing an ability then spamming lightattack button would do the trick, obviously this isnt the case. Anways, thank you for the input bro.

It's actually the other way around. You should cancel heavy and light attacks with skills.

It becomes this dance of press -> press -> pause, where the light attack and skill are almost pressed at the same time with a short delay after skills until you can use your next light attack.

Light Attack -> 0.1 sec Skill -> 0.8 sec Pause -> 1.1 sec Light Attack -> 1.2 sec Skill -> 1.9 sec pause -> repeat. It takes about 1.1 seconds to light attack weave.

The exact numbers are probably off and up to user error, but it's to illustrate how fast you can press a skill after a light attack. Heavy attacks are even easier and behave the exact same way. Hold down the heavy attack key, right after press a skill while still holding the heavy attack button down. The skill will fire off as soon as the animation of the heavy attack reaches the "instant dmg" part, the ending part of the animation is cancelled out by the skill. It's impossible to mess up and it's why it made the heavy attack meta during morrowind SO BORING.

As people mentioned. 3 skills back bar to keep up AY on front bar active. Do not do only 2 skills back bar because a VMA bow's effect will only work if you cast 2 abilities after endless hail. The effect is only activated upon the first tick of dmg that seems to take about 2 seconds after cast to start it's 10 second duration dot. This is why stamina DD rotations are about 12 seconds long instead of 10 seconds like the duration of endless hail suggests.

Also take peoples suggestions about your cp for penetration with a grain of salt. There isn't 1 choice beats all.

Penetration is the most valuable dmg stat, 500 resist in pve is equal to 1% mitigation. Enemies max out at 18.2k resistance. The closer you get to an enemies resistances, the closer you get to true unmitigated dps.

Major Fracture: 5280
Minor Fracture: 1320
Infused Crusher Enchant: 2108 or 2740 (If tank's using torugs pact set)
Roar of Alkosh Set (Tank set, requires synergies): 3010
All Gold Divine's Lover Mundus: 4196

Total is 15914 to 16546.
(w/ torugs pact) 18200 - 16546 = 1654 (18 in piercing)
(without torugs pact)18200 - 15914 = 2286 (24 in piercing)

It's so rare for ALL of those sources to be active at the same time in PUGs. It's up to you and the groups you play with to figure out how much penetration your happy with, even so, it's impossible to have 100% uptime with all those debuffs and it's fine to overpenetrate sometimes to cover the downtime on debuffs that aren't active 100% of the time.

Personally I'm happy with 7-8k penetration for the content I run, 8k penetration can be met with 50 points in to piercing and lover. Diminishing returns on every other star is pretty high now, CP can be reset if I need to for optimized trials, your dps ultimately comes down to rotation here.

You should transmute that sharpened sword, it's only active on front bar and puts you closer to overpenetrating. A static amount of penetration is more reliable. Most people go with axe/dagger for the 8% bleed chance on every light attack. Some changes happening to DW on pts for next patch, but on live, 2x infused with poison/absorb stam is very strong. I personally like nirn mainhand and infused offhand. Keep an eye on pts in next couple of weeks to see what people think the best setup is for dps regarding a DW traits/weapon types.

For your cp, always try to hit the jump points because the % is rounded down, you get nothing from the decimal values. 51 in a cp star that provides 19% is rounded down to 18% for some reason. Thaumaturge, precise strikes and master at arms behave this way. It's smarter to go for 44 or 56 in those stars.

Mariusghost84

Marshall1289 wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

vermillion2077 wrote: »

@Mariusghost84

Well, Nightblade rewards you the most out of all classes for weaving perfectly, thanks to Leeching Strikes and Relentless Focus, and it's my favourite DD class which I've been playing for the longest time.

It's honestly difficult for me to say now, because light-attack weaving has become just muscle memory. But it works on a sort of routine rhythm -- ability, left-click, ability, left-click. So, I don't remember when or how I started light-attack weaving. I think to effectively practice light-attack weaving, try using your full rotation on a Precursor dummy (about 300k health) but go a lot slower and take your time to make sure you land a light-attack after each ability. To answer your question, it's a somewhat controlled action though not always calm since I'm usually in a rush ^^

I thought pushing an ability then spamming lightattack button would do the trick, obviously this isnt the case. Anways, thank you for the input bro.

It's actually the other way around. You should cancel heavy and light attacks with skills.

It becomes this dance of press -> press -> pause, where the light attack and skill are almost pressed at the same time with a short delay after skills until you can use your next light attack.

Light Attack -> 0.1 sec Skill -> 0.8 sec Pause -> 1.1 sec Light Attack -> 1.2 sec Skill -> 1.9 sec pause -> repeat. It takes about 1.1 seconds to light attack weave.

The exact numbers are probably off and up to user error, but it's to illustrate how fast you can press a skill after a light attack. Heavy attacks are even easier and behave the exact same way. Hold down the heavy attack key, right after press a skill while still holding the heavy attack button down. The skill will fire off as soon as the animation of the heavy attack reaches the "instant dmg" part, the ending part of the animation is cancelled out by the skill. It's impossible to mess up and it's why it made the heavy attack meta during morrowind SO BORING.

As people mentioned. 3 skills back bar to keep up AY on front bar active. Do not do only 2 skills back bar because a VMA bow's effect will only work if you cast 2 abilities after endless hail. The effect is only activated upon the first tick of dmg that seems to take about 2 seconds after cast to start it's 10 second duration dot. This is why stamina DD rotations are about 12 seconds long instead of 10 seconds like the duration of endless hail suggests.

Also take peoples suggestions about your cp for penetration with a grain of salt. There isn't 1 choice beats all.

Penetration is the most valuable dmg stat, 500 resist in pve is equal to 1% mitigation. Enemies max out at 18.2k resistance. The closer you get to an enemies resistances, the closer you get to true unmitigated dps.

Major Fracture: 5280
Minor Fracture: 1320
Infused Crusher Enchant: 2108 or 2740 (If tank's using torugs pact set)
Roar of Alkosh Set (Tank set, requires synergies): 3010
All Gold Divine's Lover Mundus: 4196

Total is 15914 to 16546.
(w/ torugs pact) 18200 - 16546 = 1654 (18 in piercing)
(without torugs pact)18200 - 15914 = 2286 (24 in piercing)

It's so rare for ALL of those sources to be active at the same time in PUGs. It's up to you and the groups you play with to figure out how much penetration your happy with, even so, it's impossible to have 100% uptime with all those debuffs and it's fine to overpenetrate sometimes to cover the downtime on debuffs that aren't active 100% of the time.

Personally I'm happy with 7-8k penetration for the content I run, 8k penetration can be met with 50 points in to piercing and lover. Diminishing returns on every other star is pretty high now, CP can be reset if I need to for optimized trials, your dps ultimately comes down to rotation here.

You should transmute that sharpened sword, it's only active on front bar and puts you closer to overpenetrating. A static amount of penetration is more reliable. Most people go with axe/dagger for the 8% bleed chance on every light attack. Some changes happening to DW on pts for next patch, but on live, 2x infused with poison/absorb stam is very strong. I personally like nirn mainhand and infused offhand. Keep an eye on pts in next couple of weeks to see what people think the best setup is for dps regarding a DW traits/weapon types.

For your cp, always try to hit the jump points because the % is rounded down, you get nothing from the decimal values. 51 in a cp star that provides 19% is rounded down to 18% for some reason. Thaumaturge, precise strikes and master at arms behave this way. It's smarter to go for 44 or 56 in those stars.

Wow man, thank you for taking the time to write all of this up! I am using the sword untill i get another dagger. I really liked the way you described weaving, i am going to practise this a lot - cause right now, it feels just straight up IMPOSSIBLE to improve my dps/rotation. I lowered my penetration points as some ppl suggested but then i could barely do 35k. After some adjustments i did manage a parse of 37k - my best ever yet. I recall that my weaving was pretty smooth, and i sort of push LA before and after each skill - the way you said. With my build i should be able to pull around 45k right?

clocksstoppe

Get a gaming mouse and use macros to perfectly animation cancel every ability and become what some people call skilled.

Mariusghost84

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Get a gaming mouse and use macros to perfectly animation cancel every ability and become what some people call skilled.

I have a gaming mouse, a naga. What do macros have to do with animation canceling?

Kurat

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Get a gaming mouse and use macros to perfectly animation cancel every ability and become what some people call skilled.

You think people pulling 45k use macros? Lmao

Mariusghost84

Kurat wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Get a gaming mouse and use macros to perfectly animation cancel every ability and become what some people call skilled.

You think people pulling 45k use macros? Lmao

Im guessing that was a BS comment. Getting 45k+ takes the right build, right gear, skills and weaving skills.

Kurat

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Get a gaming mouse and use macros to perfectly animation cancel every ability and become what some people call skilled.

You think people pulling 45k use macros? Lmao

Im guessing that was a BS comment. Getting 45k+ takes the right build, right gear, skills and weaving skills.

You are exactly right. That's what I meant. That other dude recommended to use macros. L2p instead. How was my comment bs? Unless you dont know what macro is.
Only unskilled cheaters use macros maybe. They should also be against the ToS.

Mariusghost84

Kurat wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

Kurat wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Get a gaming mouse and use macros to perfectly animation cancel every ability and become what some people call skilled.

You think people pulling 45k use macros? Lmao

Im guessing that was a BS comment. Getting 45k+ takes the right build, right gear, skills and weaving skills.

You are exactly right. That's what I meant. That other dude recommended to use macros. L2p instead. How was my comment bs? Unless you dont know what macro is.
Only unskilled cheaters use macros maybe. They should also be against the ToS.

Oh sorry, i didnt mean your comment but that dudes that suggested to use macros

It amazes me how difficult something this easy can be ( weaving ) and the insane difference it makes when it comes to DPS.

Mariusghost84

While doing my rotation, should i ALWAYS keep FoO and trap up even if it means i have to break rotation to buff up? Or should i just follow rotation 100% all the time?