How to Stam DK dps?

BossXV

When I first started ESO I got into tanking. I felt I wasn't doing adequit DPS. Since then I've tanked countless times and many trials. And am cp 720 by now, but the idea of playing kinda like a hack n slash style in dungeons and trials sounds fun! I've not tried it in years, I've been a dedicated tank

I want to get into DPS...but I won't lie I'm a bit nervous because I know how high end groups can be. How can I get up to par to be a good DPS, can I as a Stam DK?

Bigevilpeter

You totally can, but rotation is key and it takes some time to learn well and perfect. I love my stamdk orc most of my stamdds.

Also poison whip will probably be a thing soon

Vulsahdaal

BossXV wrote: »

When I first started ESO I got into tanking. I felt I wasn't doing adequit DPS. Since then I've tanked countless times and many trials. And am cp 720 by now, but the idea of playing kinda like a hack n slash style in dungeons and trials sounds fun! I've not tried it in years, I've been a dedicated tank

I want to get into DPS...but I won't lie I'm a bit nervous because I know how high end groups can be. How can I get up to par to be a good DPS, can I as a Stam DK?

I currently have 11 characters. One is a tank, one is a healer, and the rest are DPS of different classes and styles. Of those DPS, my strongest one is a StamDK- so I would say yes.

My character has a dual wield front bar and bow backbar, and uses poisons. He is based loosely on Alcast 'Venom' build but has slightly different armor- using Hundings, Vipers and Velidreth as well as some different skills and ultimates.

You may want to check out Alcasthq.com as well as some other websites to get ideas of different builds for a StamDK, but with right build that suits your playstyle StamDK can be very effective DPS.

BossXV

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

You totally can, but rotation is key and it takes some time to learn well and perfect. I love my stamdk orc most of my stamdds.

Also poison whip will probably be a thing soon

Would regular dungeons be good rotation practice?

BossXV

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

BossXV wrote: »

When I first started ESO I got into tanking. I felt I wasn't doing adequit DPS. Since then I've tanked countless times and many trials. And am cp 720 by now, but the idea of playing kinda like a hack n slash style in dungeons and trials sounds fun! I've not tried it in years, I've been a dedicated tank

I want to get into DPS...but I won't lie I'm a bit nervous because I know how high end groups can be. How can I get up to par to be a good DPS, can I as a Stam DK?

I currently have 11 characters. One is a tank, one is a healer, and the rest are DPS of different classes and styles. Of those DPS, my strongest one is a StamDK- so I would say yes.

My character has a dual wield front bar and bow backbar, and uses poisons. He is based loosely on Alcast 'Venom' build but has slightly different armor- using Hundings, Vipers and Velidreth as well as some different skills and ultimates.

You may want to check out Alcasthq.com as well as some other websites to get ideas of different builds for a StamDK, but with right build that suits your playstyle StamDK can be very effective DPS.

I have hunding, spriggans, vicous serpent, which two of those would be best together? with veldereth to top it off?

macsmooth

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Also poison whip will probably be a thing soon

Has this been confirmed or hinted at? I’m just curious as I wouldn’t mind a poison whip but thought there was a big opposition to it

Corpier

I would recommend any dps have at least two setups and aoe gear/skill setup and a single target gear/skill setup. For example as a stamdk you might run Two-Fanged Snake/Vicious Ophidian/Velidreth for aoe and Advancing Yokuda/Relequin/Velidreth for single Target. You will kill trash mobs faster with some gear and abilities and bosses faster with others. Best-in-slot is situational. Regardless you will want all stamina enchants, divines trait armor, lover mundus, and stam/health food most times.

However, gear isn't as important for dps as many would have you believe. The difference between hitting 20k and 50K+ in the same gear is rotation, rotation, rotation. For the most part all stamina dps run similar skills on their bow bar. For a stamdk you will almost always have Endless Hail, Poison Injection, Caltrops, and Standard of Might there. Flames of Oblivion and Molten Armaments might also be slotted if you are running a spammable or heavy attack rotation. You will want Rearming Trap as well, where it is slotted can depend on what other abilities are on your bars.

On the dual wield bar things can vary depending on the fight or type of rotation. Usually Flawless Dawnbreaker is the ult of choice. Venomous Claw, Rending Slashes will almost always be slotted, though Shrouded Daggers can replace Rending Slashes in some aoe fights that don't call for Steel Tornado. Noxious Breath will almost always be slotted, but can vary which bar since Rearming Trap on Dual Wield is more weapon damage. In some fights will a lot of incoming aoe damage, Deadly Cloak can be used for survival.

Once you know what gear and skills you are running, figure out your rotation. Most stamDK dots line up at around 10 seconds so most of the time they are just pressed one after another and line up well. Its one of the easiest classes to master the rotation of because of this. DK builds that are not heavy attack builds have been using Rending Slashes or Venomous Claw as a spammable when all their dots are up if that interests you. I would recommend looking for a build and guide for a non=heavy attack rotation as what to use as a spammable and when could not make sense at first.

When in doubt check out a detailed build that demonstrates someone USING THE BUILD IN THE GUIDE that achieves numbers you want. Some people (not to name names) write builds for the public that promise results, but they do not use these builds themselves because they use better alternatives. Do yourself a favor and closely examine a build before you invest in farming its gear/and learning its rotation.

Hope this information helps.

Corpier

I also failed to mention above, make sure you are always light attacking between every ability. If you are on PC I recommend getting the addon Combat Metrics if you plan to practice a rotation. It can help you understand where your damage comes from, what buffs and dots you are keeping good uptimes of, and help you figure out what you need to work on to improve.

BossXV

Corpier wrote: »

I also failed to mention above, make sure you are always light attacking between every ability. If you are on PC I recommend getting the addon Combat Metrics if you plan to practice a rotation. It can help you understand where your damage comes from, what buffs and dots you are keeping good uptimes of, and help you figure out what you need to work on to improve.

I know how to animation cancel block, is that the same idea?

Corpier

BossXV wrote: »

Corpier wrote: »

I also failed to mention above, make sure you are always light attacking between every ability. If you are on PC I recommend getting the addon Combat Metrics if you plan to practice a rotation. It can help you understand where your damage comes from, what buffs and dots you are keeping good uptimes of, and help you figure out what you need to work on to improve.

I know how to animation cancel block, is that the same idea?

Pretty much, you probably have the right idea. Just use the light attack then the ability right after. If done right the ability will cancel the light attack animation so that you will be essentially be doing 2 attacks ever 1 second. 1 light attack, 1 ability per second is preferred, you cannot do more than that because of the game's global cooldown system. You can also barswap to animation cancel light attacks. stamina builds since around Summerset and Murkmire have started doing this more and part of their rotation will often look like "light attack, barswap, Endless Hail, light attack, Poison Injection" if that makes sense.

BossXV

Corpier wrote: »

BossXV wrote: »

Corpier wrote: »

I also failed to mention above, make sure you are always light attacking between every ability. If you are on PC I recommend getting the addon Combat Metrics if you plan to practice a rotation. It can help you understand where your damage comes from, what buffs and dots you are keeping good uptimes of, and help you figure out what you need to work on to improve.

I know how to animation cancel block, is that the same idea?

Pretty much, you probably have the right idea. Just use the light attack then the ability right after. If done right the ability will cancel the light attack animation so that you will be essentially be doing 2 attacks ever 1 second. 1 light attack, 1 ability per second is preferred, you cannot do more than that because of the game's global cooldown system. You can also barswap to animation cancel light attacks. stamina builds since around Summerset and Murkmire have started doing this more and part of their rotation will often look like "light attack, barswap, Endless Hail, light attack, Poison Injection" if that makes sense.

Thanks for all the help, so is there any point to block animation cancel?

ArchMikem

BossXV wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

BossXV wrote: »

When I first started ESO I got into tanking. I felt I wasn't doing adequit DPS. Since then I've tanked countless times and many trials. And am cp 720 by now, but the idea of playing kinda like a hack n slash style in dungeons and trials sounds fun! I've not tried it in years, I've been a dedicated tank

I want to get into DPS...but I won't lie I'm a bit nervous because I know how high end groups can be. How can I get up to par to be a good DPS, can I as a Stam DK?

I currently have 11 characters. One is a tank, one is a healer, and the rest are DPS of different classes and styles. Of those DPS, my strongest one is a StamDK- so I would say yes.

My character has a dual wield front bar and bow backbar, and uses poisons. He is based loosely on Alcast 'Venom' build but has slightly different armor- using Hundings, Vipers and Velidreth as well as some different skills and ultimates.

You may want to check out Alcasthq.com as well as some other websites to get ideas of different builds for a StamDK, but with right build that suits your playstyle StamDK can be very effective DPS.

I have hunding, spriggans, vicous serpent, which two of those would be best together? with veldereth to top it off?

After all this time im not positive whether or not poison dmg makes use of physical penetration, so to be safe go with Hundings as that gives you extra flat base dmg.

My own StamDK is wearing Swamp Raider and Vicious Ophidian with Veli and my current parse is 30k dps. Like other people said though skill rotation plays a big part, you want to get your damage out quickly in a fluid motion.

danno8

BossXV wrote: »

Corpier wrote: »

BossXV wrote: »

Corpier wrote: »

I also failed to mention above, make sure you are always light attacking between every ability. If you are on PC I recommend getting the addon Combat Metrics if you plan to practice a rotation. It can help you understand where your damage comes from, what buffs and dots you are keeping good uptimes of, and help you figure out what you need to work on to improve.

I know how to animation cancel block, is that the same idea?

Pretty much, you probably have the right idea. Just use the light attack then the ability right after. If done right the ability will cancel the light attack animation so that you will be essentially be doing 2 attacks ever 1 second. 1 light attack, 1 ability per second is preferred, you cannot do more than that because of the game's global cooldown system. You can also barswap to animation cancel light attacks. stamina builds since around Summerset and Murkmire have started doing this more and part of their rotation will often look like "light attack, barswap, Endless Hail, light attack, Poison Injection" if that makes sense.

Thanks for all the help, so is there any point to block animation cancel?

No. In fact it will shut down your Stamina regen for a couple seconds so you definitely don't want to hit block all the time.

In PvP bash can be used to cancel the animation of a skill and add the extra bash damage to a burst combo of LA (or Heavy attack) -> skill -> bash. All within a second. When you add in enchant procs (or poison procs) plus a set proc or two, you can see why having all these things hit in under a second lead people to claiming MACROS!! when in fact it is just good combo'ing.