Flurry + Crit Surge - Did something change ?

WeylandLabs

It says 0.6 sec × 5 is 3 sec is what I always thought. And I'm pretty sure that's how it was working until mid last year.

However using this ability with Crit Surge today and assuming my crit is at 100% it is only giving 1 heal during the 3 sec vs 3 heals completing the ability.

Did something change to way it works now I check previous patch notes and there's nothing


If some one can explain this to me that would be great, is this a silent nerf ?

cpuScientist

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

It says 0.6 sec × 5 is 3 sec is what I always thought. And I'm pretty sure that's how it was working until mid last year.

However using this ability with Crit Surge today and assuming my crit is at 100% it is only giving 1 heal during the 3 sec vs 3 heals completing the ability.

Did something change to way it works now I check previous patch notes and there's nothing


If some one can explain this to me that would be great, is this a silent nerf ?

It is all those hits in .6 seconds not .6 per. And don't say assuming your crit was that high, cause I doubt it was? And you only got one heal because critsurge heals every 1 second. Any of those hits can proc it but only one a second. And yes it does proc on dots.

cpuScientist

Been that way for a long time now.

cpuScientist

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@cpuScientist I swear there was a huge convo about this on another post. And what I got outta it was .6 × 5 = 3 sec and flurry is long as hell it's not less than 1 sec bro.

It is. I am not guessing I know. What you are talking about is it is bugged and taking 2 global cooldowns instead of one was what they were saying. It is not 3 seconds it is not .6 seconds per tick. Use a stop watch lol if you need to test it.

WeylandLabs

@cpuScientist Gotcha thanks for confirming that... Can you please comment again so I can mark answered. Thanks 👌


Also if you have time, I tested the Cruel Flurry buff on a Bow Ult and as its a single target damage over time ability for Toxic Barrage and it doesn't buff it. I wouldn't know why it wouldn't ? Or if the coding was different or scaling as something else. Anyway I put a ticket in like 6 months ago and a year ago seems like nobody wants to address this ? If you can help cool, if not I understand I keep fighting the good fight 👍

BrokenGameMechanics

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

The second part of ulti is damage over time (so Cruel Flurry must affect it). But the first one (channel) is direct damage and there is nothing to do with Cruel Flurry.

It has been awhile since I tried to raise awareness on Flurry aka The Most Broken Skill In The Game.

Flurry is sort of unique in that it is a DOT+DIRECT+NON-MELEE with a unique Enchant procing rule. e.g It will not proc Selene's. It will not proc Ravager. How is Flurry not a melee attack for God's sake? ZOS is asked this every 6-8 weeks here on the forums with a grand total of no response whatsoever.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

BrokenGameMechanics wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

The second part of ulti is damage over time (so Cruel Flurry must affect it). But the first one (channel) is direct damage and there is nothing to do with Cruel Flurry.

It has been awhile since I tried to raise awareness on Flurry aka The Most Broken Skill In The Game.

Flurry is sort of unique in that it is a DOT+DIRECT+NON-MELEE with a unique Enchant procing rule. e.g It will not proc Selene's. It will not proc Ravager. How is Flurry not a melee attack for God's sake? ZOS is asked this every 6-8 weeks here on the forums with a grand total of no response whatsoever.

No part of flurry is direct damage. The whole thing is a dot. Gets buffed by thaumaturge. Procs skoria and not nerieneth. What is the unique enchant rule you talk of? The fact that you can proc both in one cast? Not different then blade cloak procing both, if one is off cool down but the other is not, just happens faster.

the only thing i would consider broken about the skill is the way the last hit scales with other percent amps, i go into detail here- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/441718/flurry-and-morphs-300-final-hit-not-scaling-correctly-from-percent-amps

cpuScientist

Flurry procs both enchants for the same reason rending does both weapons are hitting. It is considered a dot. IMO the most broken is jabs, which is at times considered melee and others a dot.

Samsquanch

deeeelete

WeylandLabs

@Samsquanch As I most humbley appreciate your input and comment. That's not the way it works it's all crits per 1 sec, unless ! There was something changed somewhere in the ESO universe to where they changed it and didn't put it in the patch notes and in description on the game.

WeylandLabs

@cpuScientist I swear there was a huge convo about this on another post. And what I got outta it was .6 × 5 = 3 sec and flurry is long as hell it's not less than 1 sec bro.

danno8

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@cpuScientist I swear there was a huge convo about this on another post. And what I got outta it was .6 × 5 = 3 sec and flurry is long as hell it's not less than 1 sec bro.

It really is .6 seconds.

If that feels like 3 seconds to you, I can only imagine what a 1.1 second Puncturing Sweep or Dark Flare cast time must feel like.

5-6 seconds?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Flurry and it's morphs are definitely a .6 second channel, see here-

Samsquanch wrote: »

Pretty sure the crit surge heal only works with direct damage attacks. I think only the first hit of flurry is direct damage, while the rest are considered DOT damage.

All of flurry is a dot.

Ladislao

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Also if you have time, I tested the Cruel Flurry buff on a Bow Ult and as its a single target damage over time ability for Toxic Barrage and it doesn't buff it. I wouldn't know why it wouldn't ? Or if the coding was different or scaling as something else. Anyway I put a ticket in like 6 months ago and a year ago seems like nobody wants to address this ? If you can help cool, if not I understand I keep fighting the good fight 👍

The second part of ulti is damage over time (so Cruel Flurry must affect it). But the first one (channel) is direct damage and there is nothing to do with Cruel Flurry.

BrokenGameMechanics

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@cpuScientist I swear there was a huge convo about this on another post. And what I got outta it was .6 × 5 = 3 sec and flurry is long as hell it's not less than 1 sec bro.

You are referring to my post on Flurry being so broken it makes you want to just cry. At one point some folk stated it was 0.6 secs per strike that went back and forth arguing. All kind of silly as you can grab a couple of 1-Hs and go hit literally anything and see immediately what it does. It is clearly 0.6 secs for all strikes.

WeylandLabs

@Ladislao It doesn't affect it at all ... I tested it. And Blood craze has the same as mechanic as the initial hit is direct damage and the Cruel flurry buff effects it.

So I have no idea what going on with that ? I been reporting it for like a year. Do I have to pay to have it fixed ?

Ladislao

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@Ladislao It doesn't affect it at all ... I tested it. And Blood craze has the same as mechanic as the initial hit is direct damage and the Cruel flurry buff effects it.

So I have no idea what going on with that ? I been reporting it for like a year. Do I have to pay to have it fixed ?

I checked this point on PTS and it works as intended: use Flurry (get Cruel Flurry buff), use Toxic Barrage (Cruel Flurry is still there) and after channel complete/cancel Cruel Flurry is absorbed by Toxic Barrage's DoT (with damage increase).

Nothing's wrong here Maybe you are misled by the fact that when using Blood Craze DoT part is applied immediately. But Toxic Barrage DoT part is applied only after channel is gone.

MashmalloMan

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

@Ladislao It doesn't affect it at all ... I tested it. And Blood craze has the same as mechanic as the initial hit is direct damage and the Cruel flurry buff effects it.

So I have no idea what going on with that ? I been reporting it for like a year. Do I have to pay to have it fixed ?

Rending Slash is like Poison injection. Just read the tooltip.

"Slice enemy with both weapons to cause deep lacerations, dealing 236 Physical Damage and causing them to bleed for an additional 990 Physical Damage over 9 seconds. You also reduce their Movement Speed by 40% for the duration."

It really isn't confusing, the first 2* slashes of 236 physical dmg are direct dmg, procing enchants with the 990 dmg over 9 sec, "DoT". Flurry doesn't have anything like that, it's just considered DoT dmg. Nothing is direct.

WeylandLabs

@Marshall1289 I was talking about the Cruel flurry buff to the bow ult. I'm sorry if it was off topic, but I been reporting it for an entire year. And still no fix ....