Night-walkers and Population Imbalance in Cyrodiil Campaign

Lord_Eomer

After long time; I stepped again into Cyrodiil with Mid Year Mayhem Event, event was quiet nice and I enjoyed Cyrodiil for few weeks.

ZOS is currently doing something good to stop dominating Zerg and Ball Groups. This is simply not enough,

Campaigns are total wrecked due to population imbalance and raiding at night, getting all alliance Scrolls and boosting scores.

ZOS need to either balance Cyrodiil in a way that lower population alliances Keeps/Forts have to be very difficult to take or Score per turn should be tied to population balance.

Current state of Cyrodiil is a bad jolk and playground for some! I will keep update this thread till Campaign finishes.

25-January


26-January


29-January



@ZOS_BrianWheeler

ZOS_RogerJ

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Sanctum74

Judging by the score pic you provided it looks like you are already in a very balanced campaign. People live in different time zones and play at different times and I don't think asking Zos to try to regulate that is fair to people that don't play when you play.

Now had you said something about all the people faction swapping to always be on the winning side then I would totally support a Zos solution, but in this case it's I think it's fine.

Koolio

That actually looks very close campaign scores

On NA Ps4 the campaign is normally a 15k spread on points between first and last place

I think the last three months each faction has won a campaign too

Alomar

The answer is not more regulation, it's the same problem all rvr/openworld mmo pvp has had since the concept's inception. More players means more players from a wider variety of timezones, which balances itself out. Your playing a game that barely has a pvp population left, therefore has a tiny non-US primetime pvp population to prevent non-peak tz imbalance. There's 100 more productive things ZOS could do to bring back or attract new pvpers to fix this issue, they've proven they won't or can't do them though. So, stop asking for ridiculous changes and make smarter choices yourself, like play a game run by a dev that cares about your playstyle.

Lord_Eomer

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Judging by the score pic you provided it looks like you are already in a very balanced campaign. People live in different time zones and play at different times and I don't think asking Zos to try to regulate that is fair to people that don't play when you play.

Now had you said something about all the people faction swapping to always be on the winning side then I would totally support a Zos solution, but in this case it's I think it's fine.

Its not a very balanced.

EP were 2000 score points behind they chased up in few days.

It was mid year mahem event that all alliances were playing. On every campaign EP stack scrolls and boost score with huge margin.

Every month campaigns are troll, stacking scrolls over night and boost score.

Heimpai

I think DC has won the past 2 in Sotha by like 30k each..yet you complain about an actual balanced campaign?

geonsocal

dang, the first comment on the thread was by a mod...hmmmm, I wonder now what "interesting" stuff I may have missed

Lord_Eomer

Heimpai wrote: »

I think DC has won the past 2 in Sotha by like 30k each..yet you complain about an actual balanced campaign?

Yes I complain; Scroll Stacking and Night walkers taking population imbalance advantage, see screenshot below. They are over night (for hours) making whooping 180 score where nowhere near DC or AD population is.


@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_GinaBruno where is fair gameplay and balance? #StopUnfairGameplay

dtsharples

This happens every day in Vivec EU also.

AD stack up and just PVDoor Zerg the map, taking every Keep, Resource, Outpost + Scroll.
Whilst this is happening there is pretty much zero resistance, and even when there is, the 3 or 4 DC / EP are nowhere near enough to stop a full group or more of the Aldmeri-Door-Minions.
Every hour they get a tonne of points, and then it takes many more hours to get those home keeps and scrolls back. And we all know how difficult it is to win back keeps, when the opposition controls the whole map.

These people do not want to PVP, if they wanted to PVP they would spread out across the factions and fight each other.
Their only goal is to destroy any semblance of balance in the campaign.
This becomes completely transparent and obvious during holidays, when those of us who usually work have an opportunity to defend our campaign - and AD always, without fail - gets totally annihilated.

Lord_Eomer

dtsharples wrote: »

This happens every day in Vivec EU also.

AD stack up and just PVDoor Zerg the map, taking every Keep, Resource, Outpost + Scroll.
Whilst this is happening there is pretty much zero resistance, and even when there is, the 3 or 4 DC / EP are nowhere near enough to stop a full group or more of the Aldmeri-Door-Minions.
Every hour they get a tonne of points, and then it takes many more hours to get those home keeps and scrolls back. And we all know how difficult it is to win back keeps, when the opposition controls the whole map.

These people do not want to PVP, if they wanted to PVP they would spread out across the factions and fight each other.
Their only goal is to destroy any semblance of balance in the campaign.
This becomes completely transparent and obvious during holidays, when those of us who usually work have an opportunity to defend our campaign - and AD always, without fail - gets totally annihilated.

Exactly! Cyrodiil campaigns are currently jolk and some #Guilds / groups abusing to win campaigns easily.

I lost my interest and came back with Mid Year Mayhem but again its a big set back!

Ash_In_My_Sujamma

Just logged in sotha pc eu. Yesterday up until 1 a.m. Ep were pushed back and were 3rd on the campaign score. Now the entire map is red, they have all the scrolls and they are 2nd.
Edit: And 15 mins later, as I edit this, they went on first. What? You tried your best to get your scrolls back during prime time? Fool, you should have taken them when everyone is sleeping like we do!

Durham

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

After long time; I stepped again into Cyrodiil with Mid Year Mayhem Event, event was quiet nice and I enjoyed Cyrodiil for few weeks.

ZOS is currently doing something good to stop dominating Zerg and Ball Groups. This is simply not enough,

Campaigns are total wrecked due to population imbalance and raiding at night, getting all alliance Scrolls and boosting scores.

ZOS need to either balance Cyrodiil in a way that lower population alliances Keeps/Forts have to be very difficult to take or Score per turn should be tied to population balance.

Current state of Cyrodiil is a bad jolk and playground for some! I will keep update this thread till Campaign finishes.

25-January


26-January


@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Shore experiences the same issues .... but we can atleast get some people from Vevic that will pop in and even stuff out sometimes ....

Lord_Eomer

Durham wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

After long time; I stepped again into Cyrodiil with Mid Year Mayhem Event, event was quiet nice and I enjoyed Cyrodiil for few weeks.

ZOS is currently doing something good to stop dominating Zerg and Ball Groups. This is simply not enough,

Campaigns are total wrecked due to population imbalance and raiding at night, getting all alliance Scrolls and boosting scores.

ZOS need to either balance Cyrodiil in a way that lower population alliances Keeps/Forts have to be very difficult to take or Score per turn should be tied to population balance.

Current state of Cyrodiil is a bad jolk and playground for some! I will keep update this thread till Campaign finishes.

25-January


26-January


@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Shore experiences the same issues .... but we can atleast get some people from Vevic that will pop in and even stuff out sometimes ....

EP stacking scrolls at night time, defending all the day, pushing emperor and making ton of scores.

Thank You ZOS for unfair game play.

sharquez

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

After long time; I stepped again into Cyrodiil with Mid Year Mayhem Event, event was quiet nice and I enjoyed Cyrodiil for few weeks.

ZOS is currently doing something good to stop dominating Zerg and Ball Groups. This is simply not enough,

Campaigns are total wrecked due to population imbalance and raiding at night, getting all alliance Scrolls and boosting scores.

ZOS need to either balance Cyrodiil in a way that lower population alliances Keeps/Forts have to be very difficult to take or Score per turn should be tied to population balance.

Current state of Cyrodiil is a bad jolk and playground for some! I will keep update this thread till Campaign finishes.

25-January


26-January


@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Shore experiences the same issues .... but we can atleast get some people from Vevic that will pop in and even stuff out sometimes ....

EP stacking scrolls at night time, defending all the day, pushing emperor and making ton of scores.

Thank You ZOS for unfair game play.

You do realize that your night time is someone else's day time right? There are Aussie players on PC NA Should they just not play because you aren't on?

Lord_Eomer

sharquez wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

After long time; I stepped again into Cyrodiil with Mid Year Mayhem Event, event was quiet nice and I enjoyed Cyrodiil for few weeks.

ZOS is currently doing something good to stop dominating Zerg and Ball Groups. This is simply not enough,

Campaigns are total wrecked due to population imbalance and raiding at night, getting all alliance Scrolls and boosting scores.

ZOS need to either balance Cyrodiil in a way that lower population alliances Keeps/Forts have to be very difficult to take or Score per turn should be tied to population balance.

Current state of Cyrodiil is a bad jolk and playground for some! I will keep update this thread till Campaign finishes.

25-January


26-January


@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Shore experiences the same issues .... but we can atleast get some people from Vevic that will pop in and even stuff out sometimes ....

EP stacking scrolls at night time, defending all the day, pushing emperor and making ton of scores.

Thank You ZOS for unfair game play.

You do realize that your night time is someone else's day time right? There are Aussie players on PC NA Should they just not play because you aren't on?

Population imbalance is unfair game-play, this need to be fixed.

You need to see majority of players suffering due to minority players taking advantage.

Dreyloch

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

I think DC has won the past 2 in Sotha by like 30k each..yet you complain about an actual balanced campaign?

Yes I complain; Scroll Stacking and Night walkers taking population imbalance advantage, see screenshot below. They are over night (for hours) making whooping 180 score where nowhere near DC or AD population is.


@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_GinaBruno where is fair gameplay and balance? #StopUnfairGameplay

Yeah...I'm sorry OP, but Heimpai is right. It just looks like EP is not lying down anymore and taking a 30k point loss. They are fighting back, and that's a good thing. It would be better if it was all during the same time of day? But that's what happens when you have a 24-7 open server.

Edit: Wait, this is Sotha Sil NA not EU right? If it isn't, then your looking for sympathy in a place that has none (The NA players). Sorry =(

Dreyloch

Oh, one more thing OP. It might help your case if you show the population screen where EP is locked, and the others have 1 bar during this 180 score thing. If the pops are even? then it's your faction's fault. Nothing ZoS can do about that =/

JamilaRaj

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Judging by the score pic you provided it looks like you are already in a very balanced campaign.

Or he may be playing in a campaign wich may very well be imbalanced most of the time, just the dominant faction is not the same every time. Heck, Cyrodiil is so badly designed that it is imbalanced most of the time even when it is balanced, because most battles are either total or near total PvD or one-sided slaughters, and most of the rest is ping pong between two unlit keeps.

Dreyloch wrote: »

Oh, one more thing OP. It might help your case if you show the population screen where EP is locked, and the others have 1 bar during this 180 score thing. If the pops are even? then it's your faction's fault. Nothing ZoS can do about that =/

I am pretty sure 180 score occurs when pops are seemingly even at one bar each, but one faction has, say, 10 man group, while other have 1-2 players each.