Accountwide Styles

Avrael

I would be a big fan of classchanges, but many other players, whatever the reason, dont want that. Also it may be hard to implement into the game... it may not. We maybe will never know.

But instead of talking about classchanges (again), ill try to find other alternatives that would be almost as good as classchanges for at least my personal game experience.
One of which i made a thread some time ago was, making certain or all achivements accountwide, not character based. For reasons i cannot fathom to this day, some people disliked that idea also. So let me introduce the probably "softest" way to being able to make a new character a main/crafter without going bankrupt: Making at least the learned styles accountwide.

I want to be a completionist on my main, which i would want as my only character on my account, but i dont want to be sorc anymore. Completionist includes learning all styles. Quests, exploration, dungeons, crafting, even goshdarn books, all of those i, and probably others, COULD do on a new char and get all achivements they want to get there. But buying/learning every style to get the achivements and styles themselves for it on another character? Thats a goal maybe streamers can afford, but not normal human players. At the moment, the reality is just that, what class you made first and started crafting on, is in most cases the one youre stuck with as your main... forever. Until something changes.
I really see no reason at all why styles are character bound. Some people say: "If you had them on all your characters, you wouldnt buy them multible times and so other players would make less money..." or something... Which sane person would buy the same styles on multible characters EXCEPT for achivements? Right, absolutley noone (i hope). And im not even meontioning all the people that have some styles learned on one character, and others on another one. That has to be no fun whatsoever.

But lets hear what you all say about this topic before i invest any more strenght into this.

Royaji

All of your learned motifs are available account wide as outfit styles. And motifs should not be account wide since they have direct effect on the gameplay. Your Master Writ drop chances increase with amount of motifs you've fully completed.

rafaelcsmaia

@Avrael I have given up at this point, im either restarting as the class I want and begin an insane grind to match my main or just quit altogether, there is no hope for sorcs in this game, ZoS still thinks pets are da best.

Avrael

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

@Avrael I have given up at this point, im either restarting as the class I want and begin an insane grind to match my main or just quit altogether, there is no hope for sorcs in this game, ZoS still thinks pets are da best.

Its sad that those are the only 2 options at this time... thats why i still hope to change something. And this would be much easier for them to change then classchanges. And even if it increases your change on getting master writs... they could change that too, that wouldnt be a problem that would prevent this from getting implemented.

AlnilamE

If they every make learning styles account-wide, then they will have to limit Crafting Writs to one character per day.

The chance of getting a Master Writ from writ rewards increases the more motifs a character knows. There are people who have put time into learning motifs on different characters for that reason.

I would be ok with an Account Achievement tab that's accessible from character select that shows you all achievements you have completed on your account, while still preserving the individual character achievement pages.

Those are my characters' to-do lists and I would get lost without them.

Tandor

Let me spare posters the need to submit additional account-wide demands on a never-ending scale.

Can we please have a button on the character creation screen that enables all characters on the account to have the benefit of absolutely everything the game has to offer without even the need to log in?

Because that's where the demands are inevitably heading. The heavens forbid that anyone should actually have to play the game.

Starlock

Contrary to what Tandor expressed, there's quite the chasm between requesting motifs learned be account wide and other types of requests. Of all the grindy activities in this game, obtaining all motifs is easily the most time (and possibly money) intensive of all. We're talking millions upon millions of gold needed to obtain them all, the making of which requires into the hundreds of hours alone. Now add to that the dozens upon dozens of hours scouring guild traders. In some cases, a particular chapter may not be listed anywhere on any trader in the game world. There's no way to to know that on console without visiting every single trader in the game, and we don't have fancy searches either. We're getting search soon, but that won't fix the dozens of loading screens going from place to place and the agonizing boredom of that shopping experience.

I say this as someone who went through this process once already on my primary crafter. My reasons for supporting account-wide motifs differ from the OP (I couldn't care less about achievements in a video game), but you bet I still support it. The time and/or money investment is beyond obnoxious to try and do this on another character. I know they won't change it, so I just have to deal with the fact that the character who SHOULD have been my main crafter... isn't.

Royaji

Starlock wrote: »

Contrary to what Tandor expressed, there's quite the chasm between requesting motifs learned be account wide and other types of requests. Of all the grindy activities in this game, obtaining all motifs is easily the most time (and possibly money) intensive of all. We're talking millions upon millions of gold needed to obtain them all, the making of which requires into the hundreds of hours alone. Now add to that the dozens upon dozens of hours scouring guild traders. In some cases, a particular chapter may not be listed anywhere on any trader in the game world. There's no way to to know that on console without visiting every single trader in the game, and we don't have fancy searches either. We're getting search soon, but that won't fix the dozens of loading screens going from place to place and the agonizing boredom of that shopping experience.

I say this as someone who went through this process once already on my primary crafter. My reasons for supporting account-wide motifs differ from the OP (I couldn't care less about achievements in a video game), but you bet I still support it. The time and/or money investment is beyond obnoxious to try and do this on another character. I know they won't change it, so I just have to deal with the fact that the character who SHOULD have been my main crafter... isn't.

As I said earlier all motifs are available to you account wide as outfit styles. Actual knowlede of the motifs has gameplay implications - increasing your chance to get Master Writs and as a result should not be account wide. Simple.

Tandor

Starlock wrote: »

Contrary to what Tandor expressed, there's quite the chasm between requesting motifs learned be account wide and other types of requests. Of all the grindy activities in this game, obtaining all motifs is easily the most time (and possibly money) intensive of all. We're talking millions upon millions of gold needed to obtain them all, the making of which requires into the hundreds of hours alone. Now add to that the dozens upon dozens of hours scouring guild traders. In some cases, a particular chapter may not be listed anywhere on any trader in the game world. There's no way to to know that on console without visiting every single trader in the game, and we don't have fancy searches either. We're getting search soon, but that won't fix the dozens of loading screens going from place to place and the agonizing boredom of that shopping experience.

I say this as someone who went through this process once already on my primary crafter. My reasons for supporting account-wide motifs differ from the OP (I couldn't care less about achievements in a video game), but you bet I still support it. The time and/or money investment is beyond obnoxious to try and do this on another character. I know they won't change it, so I just have to deal with the fact that the character who SHOULD have been my main crafter... isn't.

I agree with the point @Royaji makes, plus your concerns are an argument not for motifs to be account-wide which I oppose, but for there to be a decent trading system working effectively across the platforms, which I support.

Nestor

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

@Avrael I have given up at this point, im either restarting as the class I want and begin an insane grind to match my main or just quit altogether, there is no hope for sorcs in this game, ZoS still thinks pets are da best.

Insane grind? Your talking 30 hours of casual play to collect enough skyshards and lore books and level to Champ ranks to have a fully viable character. You could do it in 20 hours or less if you do it right. It used to take us weeks or months to level each alt in this game.

Kalik_Gold

Only relief I can see is allow a person to forget a motif. The character who forgets it, writes a Bound note to himself to remember if he wants to read it again. Because it is bound, they cannot sell it, but another character owned by its owner can also place it in bank and read it. Therefore you can move the motif without imposing on the game market. Make it a one note "forget" per motif, or people will move motifs often to find the sweet spot for writ droppings.

Also give the new motif note a symbol like Transmute has so they know not to forget it again.






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Avrael

Kalik_Gold wrote: »

Only relief I can see is allow a person to forget a motif. The character who forgets it, writes a Bound note to himself to remember if he wants to read it again. Because it is bound, they cannot sell it, but another character owned by its owner can also place it in bank and read it. Therefore you can move the motif without imposing on the game market. Make it a one note "forget" per motif, or people will move motifs often to find the sweet spot for writ droppings.

Also give the new motif note a symbol like Transmute has so they know not to forget it again.






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Honestly, for me personally even something of this sort would be enough. I dont just want to get everything in the game shoved up... i just want my main and only character to be a diffrent class, either through changing my class or to being able to make a new character my main without having wasted millions on motifs on my old char. Is that really asked too much?
As said, if you could forget all motives on one character and remember them on another one, either only once per account or maybe once per year or something, because making it a one time thing would bring problems with it again if someone messed up etc., i would be happy with that. That would solve my biggest problem with the game right now, being able to afford all motifes on a diffrent char.
Btw, i know that motifes are usable as transmogs on the entire account, but thats not the point. That interests me none.

Sylvermynx

Starlock wrote: »

Contrary to what Tandor expressed, there's quite the chasm between requesting motifs learned be account wide and other types of requests. Of all the grindy activities in this game, obtaining all motifs is easily the most time (and possibly money) intensive of all. We're talking millions upon millions of gold needed to obtain them all, the making of which requires into the hundreds of hours alone. Now add to that the dozens upon dozens of hours scouring guild traders. In some cases, a particular chapter may not be listed anywhere on any trader in the game world. There's no way to to know that on console without visiting every single trader in the game, and we don't have fancy searches either. We're getting search soon, but that won't fix the dozens of loading screens going from place to place and the agonizing boredom of that shopping experience.

I say this as someone who went through this process once already on my primary crafter. My reasons for supporting account-wide motifs differ from the OP (I couldn't care less about achievements in a video game), but you bet I still support it. The time and/or money investment is beyond obnoxious to try and do this on another character. I know they won't change it, so I just have to deal with the fact that the character who SHOULD have been my main crafter... isn't.

Well, at least the account trader thing will be less grindy since they're adding a search function finally!

TheShadowScout

Avrael wrote: »

Making at least the learned styles accountwide.

No. Because...

Royaji wrote: »

And motifs should not be account wide since they have direct effect on the gameplay. Your Master Writ drop chances increase with amount of motifs you've fully completed.

...this.

What account wide motivs would accomplish is giving people as many "master writ" chances as they have characters in total, while now those are dependent on the number of -crafter characters- they have worked hard to build up their motiv libraries.

And also on general principle.

Tandor wrote: »

The heavens forbid that anyone should actually have to play the game.

Yeah, that one.

I mean, if you really, really -want- to make a second crafter without playing for it, there is already a way - paying for it.
Buying those motivs in the crown store.
So, pray tell us, where would be the profit for ZOS in giving out for free what they are trying to sell???
Want it fast? Pay for it.
Want it cheap? Play for it.

Avrael

Let me try to get a few more opinions in here. Or maybe even someone that has a better idea.