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Alternatives to Rapid Maneuvers for PvE Players?
Giraffon
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Rapid Maneuvers: This ability and its morphs will no longer provide immunity to snares or immobilizes.
Retreating Maneuvers: This morph will no longer remove current snares or immobilizes, and will instead grant affected allies a bonus that reduces their damage taken from behind by 15%.
I am very disappointed with the above pending change that is now in effect on PTS. This skill is on my bar for every single character all the time. It is not just a PVP skill. It is a QOL skill for PvE players. When I'm traveling overland I run this skill so I can be immune to roots and snares from trash mobs. This allows for easier transportation, farming, dungeon runs, getting away from guards, skyshard farming, etc.
I understand that Zeni is trying to affect certain PvP behaviors, but at least a few PvE players are going to suffer greatly myself included. If they would only allow the immunity to snares and immobilizes on the caster alone, I believe it would accomplish the same result. Alternatively if the immunity only worked against NPCs, that would be fine too.
Given the outcry needed before they reversed the cooldown decision on sorc shields a while back, I'm not going to get my hopes up on this one.
Does anyone have any alternative ways to avoid snares and immobilizes for PvE players? Set gear or anything that isn't class or race dependent is what I'm looking for.
Retreating Maneuvers: This morph will no longer remove current snares or immobilizes, and will instead grant affected allies a bonus that reduces their damage taken from behind by 15%.
I am very disappointed with the above pending change that is now in effect on PTS. This skill is on my bar for every single character all the time. It is not just a PVP skill. It is a QOL skill for PvE players. When I'm traveling overland I run this skill so I can be immune to roots and snares from trash mobs. This allows for easier transportation, farming, dungeon runs, getting away from guards, skyshard farming, etc.
I understand that Zeni is trying to affect certain PvP behaviors, but at least a few PvE players are going to suffer greatly myself included. If they would only allow the immunity to snares and immobilizes on the caster alone, I believe it would accomplish the same result. Alternatively if the immunity only worked against NPCs, that would be fine too.
Given the outcry needed before they reversed the cooldown decision on sorc shields a while back, I'm not going to get my hopes up on this one.
Does anyone have any alternative ways to avoid snares and immobilizes for PvE players? Set gear or anything that isn't class or race dependent is what I'm looking for.
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✭ZOS should really separate PVP and PVE skills. Each description should explain what it does in PVE and for PVP and make it accordingly. Have the tooltip actually give the damage number towards players.Your friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
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Anrose✭✭✭✭✭Mist Form
Purge
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Templar purify
Two-handed Forward Momentum (edit)Edited by Anrose on January 23, 2019 3:16PM4 -
BNOC✭✭✭✭✭Mist Form
Purge
Shuffle
DK wings
Templar purify
You can instantly reapply a snare after a purge or purify, overland ads included.vMSA - Magplar - Xbox EU - 15/11/16
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Meesha1170✭✭✭✭Wait, so if I’m using this and an NPC’s casts a snare or root ability will I be knocked of my horse? If so that would be completely stupid. I use it to get from place to place quickly.6 -
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Thank you for those suggestions. I will check into them. I'm looking for solutions that I can use for any class and any build. Looks like Purge is only option so far. Oh man. So bummed about this.Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!0 -
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✭honestly its a bad change for both PvP and PvE. PvP is full of snares 100% of the time, rapids was one of the few ways to actually move around. they want PvP to be one big tanking slog-fest I guess9 -
BNOC✭✭✭✭✭I believe purge makes you immune to status effects for a few (3?) seconds.
I did not know that, thanks!
That is very true!vMSA - Magplar - Xbox EU - 15/11/16
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Thank you for those suggestions. I will check into them. I'm looking for solutions that I can use for any class and any build. Looks like Purge is only option so far. Oh man. So bummed about this.
purge dismounts you though, while rapids can be used while still mounted, which helped me a LOT on farming runs
also as far as pve goes, rapids are used extensively in several pve encounters, specifically for their snare immunity I guess purge will apply there now, expensive as it is to use and not lasting nearly as long 
Edited by Linaleah on January 23, 2019 5:15PMdirty worthless casual.
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✭Kuramas9tails wrote: »ZOS should really separate PVP and PVE skills. Each description should explain what it does in PVE and for PVP and make it accordingly. Have the tooltip actually give the damage number towards players.Kuramas9tails wrote: »ZOS should really separate PVP and PVE skills. Each description should explain what it does in PVE and for PVP and make it accordingly. Have the tooltip actually give the damage number towards players.
You get this skill in a pvp skill like though?0 -
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✭✭✭✭If you level up Dark Brotherhood, there is a passive that reduces monster aggro radius while mounted. It's quite nice for traveling so your horse doesn't get hamstrung by every wolf you pass.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ironically, you have to PvP for several weeks to have access to the Purge skill. Hard to know what they are thinking in dev land, or why they want to force PvEers into Cyro. Or why they are encouraging zerg scrums versus mobile small scale battles, unless it's just another poor attempt to reduce lag in AvA.
This move also discourages the thief/assassin playstyle, as most slot Rapids to help get away from rooting guards. Their whole anti-mobility campaign is an unpopular, puzzling decision. My werewolves really enjoyed the Major Expedition armor sets, as they didn't have access to Rapids for mobility. And the 20 second duration was perfect for devouring a corpse and then moving on to the next prey..... but they cut it to 8 seconds and basically rendered it useless.
Who knows why they are moving in this direction. Certainly not I.3 -
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✭If you level up Dark Brotherhood, there is a passive that reduces monster aggro radius while mounted. It's quite nice for traveling so your horse doesn't get hamstrung by every wolf you pass.
Yes, that skill is very good and will help. I use it already and it's noticeable. You can often run past things that are very close and not be attacked.
The thing that is really making me upset is how I use rapids to burst through delves so I can get to the boss and the skyshard. I literally just ignore everything then do a little defense when I get where I'm going so they all run off. Get shard, kill boss, port out to next sight.
If you are leveling alts. Rapid Maneuvers is a huge time saver. You can get it early on. The DB skill takes a while and leveling that skill line is tedious.
Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!4 -
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Purge
Shuffle
DK wings
Templar purify
Two-handed Forward Momentum (edit)
From the DK aspect this is a poor decision and your suggestions are very limited.
1 is class specific
2 are stamina specific
Unless you area really suggesting healers wear medium armor or use 2H swords or only heal on DKs and constantly use Purge in situations when snares are persistent. Oh, I forgot, we can force everyone to be a vampire.
Honestly, in subjects like this offering such narrowly available solutions is not offering really a solution. OP is talking PvE after all.1 -
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✭✭Mist Form
Purge
Shuffle
DK wings
Templar purify
Two-handed Forward Momentum (edit)
From the DK aspect this is a poor decision and your suggestions are very limited.
1 is class specific
2 are stamina specific
Unless you area really suggesting healers wear medium armor or use 2H swords or only heal on DKs and constantly use Purge in situations when snares are persistent. Oh, I forgot, we can force everyone to be a vampire.
Honestly, in subjects like this offering such narrowly available solutions is not offering really a solution. OP is talking PvE after all.
I have no idea what the argument you're trying to make is. Like it or not (and I don't), those are the only options in game for snare removal if the retreating maneuvers changes go live. Roots can be rolled out of. If your point is that there's not a great solution, agreed, but there it is.1 -
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I am very disappointed with the above pending change that is now in effect on PTS. This skill is on my bar for every single character all the time. It is not just a PVP skill. It is a QOL skill for PvE players. When I'm traveling overland I run this skill so I can be immune to roots and snares from trash mobs. This allows for easier transportation, farming, dungeon runs, getting away from guards, skyshard farming, etc.
Exactly!!!
I think they need to make one morph have the old functionality but be limited to self.1 -
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And? Vigor is in the PVP skill line and stam PVE players use it all the time since.Haashhtaag wrote: »Kuramas9tails wrote: »ZOS should really separate PVP and PVE skills. Each description should explain what it does in PVE and for PVP and make it accordingly. Have the tooltip actually give the damage number towards players.Kuramas9tails wrote: »ZOS should really separate PVP and PVE skills. Each description should explain what it does in PVE and for PVP and make it accordingly. Have the tooltip actually give the damage number towards players.
You get this skill in a pvp skill like though?Your friendly neighborhood crazy cat lady of ESO
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When I'm traveling overland I run this skill so I can be immune to roots and snares from trash mobs. This allows for easier transportation, farming, dungeon runs, getting away from guards, skyshard farming, etc.
I understand that Zeni is trying to affect certain PvP behaviors, but at least a few PvE players are going to suffer greatly myself included. If they would only allow the immunity to snares and immobilizes on the caster alone, I believe it would accomplish the same result. Alternatively if the immunity only worked against NPCs, that would be fine too.
Does anyone have any alternative ways to avoid snares and immobilizes for PvE players? Set gear or anything that isn't class or race dependent is what I'm looking for.
What if I told you that you are NOT IMMUNE to snares from PvE mobs? Cast Maneuver, get close to some skeevers in reapers march and get enlightened.Zerg Squad
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✭SydneyGrey wrote: »They don't care about PvE play. They only care about PvP. Everyone should know this by now.
Clearly, they do not care about PVP, so I cannot drink from the cup in front of you.5 -
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✭EvilAutoTech wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »They don't care about PvE play. They only care about PvP. Everyone should know this by now.
Clearly, they do not care about PVP, so I cannot drink from the cup in front of you.
How so? Most nerfs are to please pvpers and have a huge impact on pver's. If you're saying this because of the neverending lag in Vivec that's irrelevant. It's not fixed because they can't fix it without breaking something else.
Lag will always be present in Vivec due to everyone refusing to spread out to other campaigns. Self made problem. You'd think this would be obvious to the folks who have been complaining about lag for years now. I rarely if ever lag in BG's or the other campaigns.
They seem to give little thought how pver's will feel because they know most will continue playing without causing an uproar like pvpers do.There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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How so? Most nerfs are to please pvpers and have a huge impact on pver's.
Shhhhh
Nothing ever gets nerfed cause of Pee Vee Pee. It never happens. The devs literally only ever ignore PvP balance every patch, thats why no skill or item set was ever changed because of it.Edited by karekiz on January 23, 2019 11:02PM0 -
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✭DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »
When I'm traveling overland I run this skill so I can be immune to roots and snares from trash mobs. This allows for easier transportation, farming, dungeon runs, getting away from guards, skyshard farming, etc.
I understand that Zeni is trying to affect certain PvP behaviors, but at least a few PvE players are going to suffer greatly myself included. If they would only allow the immunity to snares and immobilizes on the caster alone, I believe it would accomplish the same result. Alternatively if the immunity only worked against NPCs, that would be fine too.
Does anyone have any alternative ways to avoid snares and immobilizes for PvE players? Set gear or anything that isn't class or race dependent is what I'm looking for.
What if I told you that you are NOT IMMUNE to snares from PvE mobs? Cast Maneuver, get close to some skeevers in reapers march and get enlightened.
And cast it again and the snare is gone. It's part of the Retreating Maneuvers morph which is the one I totally rely on to move about the game quickly.Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!1 -
Nermy✭✭✭✭✭Does anyone have any alternative ways to avoid snares and immobilizes for PvE players? Set gear or anything that isn't class or race dependent is what I'm looking for.
Erh... immovability pots?@Nermy
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✭✭Immovable potions don't do anything against snares or roots, only stun/knockback/fear.0
