Alternative to having to recruit members to my guild in order to use it as a guildstore/trader?

SockOfSand

So im a pretty casual player, and i just got back into the game. as ive been playing my character ive been making a good chunk of money out of Perfect Roes from fishing, and i also have only been doing Alchemy. so i had decided that it would be a good idea for me to create my own guild that i could than use as a Guild Store (and occasionally get my own trader in less competitive spots) to sell just Perfect Roes and Potions/Poisons.

unfortunately as i immediately found out, i need 50 members to even unlock the guild store. which kind of sucks because i simply wanted to use it as way to sell Roe's and Potions. I had no intentions of building up a guild just to be able to do my own niche store front type of deal.


unfortunately ive had no luck asking for help on alternative ways to sell my own stuff in either Zone chat or on google. and as far as i can tell there is no way to do so. will they be making any changes to the way guild stores work with upcoming chapters/updates that anybody knows of?

maybe they will add some kind of traditional auction house?



edit: forgot to add i do know of Trading Guilds, im in two atm. unfortunately the good one requires me to pay about 15k a month or 3k a week in fee's to stay in it (and typcially has a trader in a really good spot), and the free one which usually has a trader as well, but not always in the best of spots (or so ive been told) but i dont like trading guilds, they are just just huge soulless husks for players to hawk their wares. its not really fun to me to be in. and the guild i do like being in which is a social focused one dosent even bother getting a trader in the first place.

VaranisArano

SockOfSand wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I doubt these options are new to you. In order to sell your goods, you can:

Make your own guild with at least 50 people. This will unlock the trader for internal use. If you make the weekly trader bid on a trader in the blind bid, you will have that trader for a week from which to sell to other players.

Join a trading guild that makes that weekly trader bid regularly. I'm in 3 trading guilds. One has no fee or donation requirements, one is 5k a week sales, and the other is 25k a week, all of which suit my sales. One of those guilds is much more social than the others, organizing PVP nights, trials runs, and occasionally guild scavenger hunts. So if you dont like the "huge soulless husks" you are in, maybe try looking for different trading guilds? There are lots out there.

Yeah i suppose i might just have to take the time to find a properly social trading guild, i hadn't heard of any or seen any so i had given up on thinking there were since everybody i talked to had 2 guilds minimal (one social and one trading).

so that might be one of my only choices.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sell in zone chat. Type something like "WTS Perfect Roe in bulk" or "WTS crafted potions/poisons" and see if people are interested.


As far as we know, ZOS has no stated plans to change how guilds work nor any plans to add an auction house.

Yeah, that might be what i have to do. I hadn't thought of collecting up everything id want to sell, even though that would eat up a huge amount of bank space. although i suppose i could make like 3 or 4 characters and park em at the bank permanently act as pack mules?

and than maybe on occasional just walk through Morrowind (or some other place, i haven't left morrowind yet) and advertise my goods in-character... hmm, that is one suggestion i hadn't thought of.

thank you for the thoughts.

Typically, when I see people selling crafting mats in zone chat, they are selling them in bulk just because you have to spend the time to advertise in zone chat, so most people want larger sales that are worth their time. If you want to do smaller sales as you acquire items, that's up to you. Another type of item that sells decently in zone chat is desirable set pieces with good traits, which might fit well with your "traveling merchant" type roleplay.

So if that's something you want to do, it might be easier to make yourself mule characters or use other storage options like expanding your bank space or buying home storage chest furnishings. That way you can store items you haven't sold yet.

clocksstoppe

join a trade guild?..

Tetrafy

Make threads about a marketboard so we cant put money into the people vs trade guilds.

SockOfSand

clocksstoppe wrote: »

join a trade guild?..

check my edit, i forgot to mention them before i posted the topic.

qbit

Your trade guild dues you describe in your edit aren't all that high. I'm in four and pay 5000-10,000 gold per week to each. About 28,000 gold a week total for all four You're getting a deal if you're paying 3k a week for a trader in a good spot. Mind are in rawklaw, elder root, vivec, and alinor

merpins

An auction house system could be a neat way to make it so even smaller guilds could be relevant. Perhaps a combined system where the auction house is open on weekends and the rest of the week it's the current system, or a system where if you own a guild trader, if a member of your guild goes to buy stuff through the auction house at your guild's trader, you get some kind of benefit. Dunno. With proper planning it could be a decent system.

clocksstoppe

SockOfSand wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

join a trade guild?..

check my edit, i forgot to mention them before i posted the topic.

I'm not sure what soul you are looking for in a trade guild. A trade guild is essentially an NPC that provies you massive exposure for your sales in exchange for a small tax and a guild slot. Whether you like the deal or not, it is the only way to consistently get your stuff sold out.

VaranisArano

I doubt these options are new to you. In order to sell your goods, you can:

Make your own guild with at least 50 people. This will unlock the trader for internal use. If you make the weekly trader bid on a trader in the blind bid, you will have that trader for a week from which to sell to other players.

Join a trading guild that makes that weekly trader bid regularly. I'm in 3 trading guilds. One has no fee or donation requirements, one is 5k a week sales, and the other is 25k a week, all of which suit my sales. One of those guilds is much more social than the others, organizing PVP nights, trials runs, and occasionally guild scavenger hunts. So if you dont like the "huge soulless husks" you are in, maybe try looking for different trading guilds? There are lots out there.

Sell in zone chat. Type something like "WTS Perfect Roe in bulk" or "WTS crafted potions/poisons" and see if people are interested.


As far as we know, ZOS has no stated plans to change how guilds work nor any plans to add an auction house.

SockOfSand

qbit wrote: »

Your trade guild dues you describe in your edit aren't all that high. I'm in four and pay 5000-10,000 gold per week to each. About 28,000 gold a week total for all four You're getting a deal if you're paying 3k a week for a trader in a good spot. Mind are in rawklaw, elder root, vivec, and alinor

problem is as a casual player (and on who struggles with depression) i might not play for a week or two of any games. and i take my time play the game. so i might not make 3k in a week. And on top of that trading guilds arent social, which makes sense since thats not their purpose, but it just feels lifeless and pointless to be in a guild. maybe its because im used to being in a guild is supposed to mean something, its supposed to be a community.

and yeah i get that in the social one im in, even if i dont participate in the RP stuff they do pretty on the regular. but nobody in their buys anything or sells anything because they have a trading guild for that. its frustrating.

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

An auction house system could be a neat way to make it so even smaller guilds could be relevant. Perhaps a combined system where the auction house is open on weekends and the rest of the week it's the current system, or a system where if you own a guild trader, if a member of your guild goes to buy stuff through the auction house at your guild's trader, you get some kind of benefit. Dunno. With proper planning it could be a decent system.

that might be work, and sounds reasonable. to be honest id be happy with any system over how it currently is. i was pretty estatic to think of the idea because i did a whole Skyrim run where i did no quests of any kind (After leaving Helgan anyway) and played as a Khajitt traveling merchant. i would mine ore nodes and pick herbs, and than trade them with any merchants i found or in upcoming towns.

so i thought it would be a good way to kind of do the same in ESO, i could have a guild store/front for Selling Roe's and Potions/Poisons. buuut, than it turns out the game vehemently slaps you down and refuses to let you. kind of seems to defeat the point of some Aspects of RPG/RPG games.... but :shrug:

Skwor

NO NO NO NO auction house. Ugh just another thread asking again for a very bad thing.

You know this is an MMORPG just join a trade guid and stop being so anti-social. there are free trade guilds out there that would easily suite your needs.

SockOfSand

Skwor wrote: »

NO NO NO NO auction house. Ugh just another thread asking again for a very bad thing.

You know this is an MMORPG just join a trade guid and stop being so anti-social. there are free trade guilds out there that would easily suite your needs.

i explained why trading guild arent the answer.

SockOfSand

VaranisArano wrote: »

I doubt these options are new to you. In order to sell your goods, you can:

Make your own guild with at least 50 people. This will unlock the trader for internal use. If you make the weekly trader bid on a trader in the blind bid, you will have that trader for a week from which to sell to other players.

Join a trading guild that makes that weekly trader bid regularly. I'm in 3 trading guilds. One has no fee or donation requirements, one is 5k a week sales, and the other is 25k a week, all of which suit my sales. One of those guilds is much more social than the others, organizing PVP nights, trials runs, and occasionally guild scavenger hunts. So if you dont like the "huge soulless husks" you are in, maybe try looking for different trading guilds? There are lots out there.

Yeah i suppose i might just have to take the time to find a properly social trading guild, i hadn't heard of any or seen any so i had given up on thinking there were since everybody i talked to had 2 guilds minimal (one social and one trading).

so that might be one of my only choices.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sell in zone chat. Type something like "WTS Perfect Roe in bulk" or "WTS crafted potions/poisons" and see if people are interested.


As far as we know, ZOS has no stated plans to change how guilds work nor any plans to add an auction house.

Yeah, that might be what i have to do. I hadn't thought of collecting up everything id want to sell, even though that would eat up a huge amount of bank space. although i suppose i could make like 3 or 4 characters and park em at the bank permanently act as pack mules?

and than maybe on occasional just walk through Morrowind (or some other place, i haven't left morrowind yet) and advertise my goods in-character... hmm, that is one suggestion i hadn't thought of.

thank you for the thoughts.

SiAScORCH

SockOfSand wrote: »

So im a pretty casual player, and i just got back into the game. as ive been playing my character ive been making a good chunk of money out of Perfect Roes from fishing, and i also have only been doing Alchemy. so i had decided that it would be a good idea for me to create my own guild that i could than use as a Guild Store (and occasionally get my own trader in less competitive spots) to sell just Perfect Roes and Potions/Poisons.

unfortunately as i immediately found out, i need 50 members to even unlock the guild store. which kind of sucks because i simply wanted to use it as way to sell Roe's and Potions. I had no intentions of building up a guild just to be able to do my own niche store front type of deal.


unfortunately ive had no luck asking for help on alternative ways to sell my own stuff in either Zone chat or on google. and as far as i can tell there is no way to do so. will they be making any changes to the way guild stores work with upcoming chapters/updates that anybody knows of?

maybe they will add some kind of traditional auction house?



edit: forgot to add i do know of Trading Guilds, im in two atm. unfortunately the good one requires me to pay about 15k a month or 3k a week in fee's to stay in it (and typcially has a trader in a really good spot), and the free one which usually has a trader as well, but not always in the best of spots (or so ive been told) but i dont like trading guilds, they are just just huge soulless husks for players to hawk their wares. its not really fun to me to be in. and the guild i do like being in which is a social focused one dosent even bother getting a trader in the first place.

What platform and server do you play on?

SockOfSand

clocksstoppe wrote: »

SockOfSand wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

join a trade guild?..

check my edit, i forgot to mention them before i posted the topic.

I'm not sure what soul you are looking for in a trade guild. A trade guild is essentially an NPC that provies you massive exposure for your sales in exchange for a small tax and a guild slot. Whether you like the deal or not, it is the only way to consistently get your stuff sold out.

and i find that very unfortunate. i dont know why they implemented the system they have and why everyone likes it so much. maybe it has merits im not seeing, which is quite possible.

but especially in an Elder Scrolls game id have thought people would like being able to sell their goods in-character or in an auction house system instead of under some lifeless guild conglomerate.

idk

Outside of what you already are aware of, trade guilds and recruiting members so you can be your own trade guild, you have zone chat to hawk your wares.

The issue you face trying to be your own trade guild is you still have to pony up 10k per week at a minimum to get a trader. You will have to figure out where and when to find these traders on Sunday night/Monday morning depending on where you live. All while also making sure you stay above the required members to have a trader.

That does not sound like something a casual player would do.

Fine trade guilds that better meet your needs. One that may require minimum sales but not dues it a better choice.

SockOfSand

idk wrote: »

Outside of what you already are aware of, trade guilds and recruiting members so you can be your own trade guild, you have zone chat to hawk your wares.

The issue you face trying to be your own trade guild is you still have to pony up 10k per week at a minimum to get a trader. You will have to figure out where and when to find these traders on Sunday night/Monday morning depending on where you live. All while also making sure you stay above the required members to have a trader.

That does not sound like something a casual player would do.

Fine trade guilds that better meet your needs. One that may require minimum sales but not dues it a better choice.

ah, see thats something i spent about an hour or two googling yesterday and couldnt find an answer on. i had hope it would maybe be possible to pay or find a few volunteers to join up till my guild hit the 50 member line and would pop that requirement than they could all leave.

but if you have to KEEP 50 members thats not going to work. so thats one option i can mark off, thank you.

so im down to 3 options right now,

- invest the time in to building up my guild which would require time and commitment i dont know i i feel up for right now.

- finding a more rounded guild thats both social and has a focus to at least some degree on keeping a decent trader.

- stocking up and going in character and walking around Morrowind to sell my goods once or twice a month after ive stockpiled a good amount. maybe i can build up enough of a reputation and park my character in a spot on a set schedule, people who need good potions/poisons and perfect roe's would know to come find me at those times/days (so long as i keep prices below what people would pay at traders). i havent heard of any players do anything similar, but that dosen't mean it couldnt work.



options 2 and 3 seems to be my best bets. option 3 seems like it could be the most fun/rewarding if im willing to invest in that. i suppose ill see if anybody else posts some advice/options and think on it some more before coming to a decision on what ill do/how ill proceed.

thank you guys/gals.

Anotherone773

You will likely spend more money a week securing a trader, even if you could get a trader solo, than you would make at said trader. And being a fairly dead trade guild you would easily get overtaken by more active guilds who can bid higher.

You should just find out what are the good trade spots on your server( people on the forums can help you with that) and then join a guild that trades there. You might have to pay a fee up to 5k a week in taxes, raffles, auctions, etc. but it is a far better alternative than what you are trying to do. Also you do not have to interact with anyone in the trade guild. I completely ignore my 3 trade guilds. I dont even have the chats for them active. I just post my stuff and pay any fees i need too pay and that is it,. I havent interacted with anyone in the guilds for over 6 months so its literally like they dont exist except to collect taxes and fees and make sure i have a trader.

SockOfSand

Anotherone773 wrote: »

You will likely spend more money a week securing a trader, even if you could get a trader solo, than you would make at said trader. And being a fairly dead trade guild you would easily get overtaken by more active guilds who can bid higher.

You should just find out what are the good trade spots on your server( people on the forums can help you with that) and then join a guild that trades there. You might have to pay a fee up to 5k a week in taxes, raffles, auctions, etc. but it is a far better alternative than what you are trying to do. Also you do not have to interact with anyone in the trade guild. I completely ignore my 3 trade guilds. I dont even have the chats for them active. I just post my stuff and pay any fees i need too pay and that is it,. I havent interacted with anyone in the guilds for over 6 months so its literally like they dont exist except to collect taxes and fees and make sure i have a trader.

yeah, thats the biggest problem with what ive known/experienced with trade guilds so far. everything i know of guilds/experienced of guilds in all MMO/MMORPG games before has made this extremely offputting to me. it feels lifeless and depressing.

guilds are supposed to be communities. you make friends you'll get to know for at least a few years, people you can count on to help you in game with problems or to overcome fun challenges. to just have guilds where nobody talks or interacts at all is... strange and depressing to me.

SockOfSand

VaranisArano wrote: »

Typically, when I see people selling crafting mats in zone chat, they are selling them in bulk just because you have to spend the time to advertise in zone chat, so most people want larger sales that are worth their time. If you want to do smaller sales as you acquire items, that's up to you. Another type of item that sells decently in zone chat is desirable set pieces with good traits, which might fit well with your "traveling merchant" type roleplay.

So if that's something you want to do, it might be easier to make yourself mule characters or use other storage options like expanding your bank space or buying home storage chest furnishings. That way you can store items you haven't sold yet.

i can usually catch 3 to 5 Perfect Roe in one week if im feeling up to actively playing, so that could be maybe 20 Perfect Roe in one month at best, and i tend to make pretty decent potions/poisons (i think so anyway) in bulk as well.

so if i stock piled them, and did trading only once a month (or twice if i had enough to warrant it) i think i would be able to fulfill bulk orders that people would like to buy. id probably be able to sell out pretty quickly if theres anybody in the zones im in looking for those items.

id worry the most if people would be willing to buy my potions/poisons. Perfect Roe seem to sell pretty easy since i can push them for 12k pretty quickly sometimes. if i sell for 10k each i could probably push all or most of them all in one day during that once a month.


so yeah, thats definitely a great idea i hadn't heard of/considered before. thank you!

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