The argument for class change token just got stronger

richo262

Why race change isn't ideal.

1) Some people are unaffected (they don't have a Mag Dunmer)
2) Some people have more than 1 Mag Dunmer and therefore 1 race change is not enough.
3) Changing the race of their Dunmer will still leave that character with a Dunmer lore name.

The likelihood is, most with a Mag Dunmer that wants to get ideal results will want to change their race, but the name of their Altmer / Kitteh might not be lore friendly.

If I could change my class, I'd change my Dunmer to a Stam Necro, it can keep its name, and save my Dunmer from becoming nothing more than a writ jockey.

grannas211

lol at the new forum meme.

richo262

Or I'd change the class of my Dunmer to Writ Jockey just to make it official.

Chufu

I can't understand all the problems?

Who is playing in a guild like Hodor where you need to have "the perfect race" for PvE-Content just to have 60k instead of 59k? Or even if the race-choice would do 3-4k DPS, what is that in a whole fight? If you are a very good player, you can be a Magicka Orc Healer and the world would not care as long as your raidmembers are not dying. Or as Finnigan once told me: It's enough if every DD in a raid can do 25k+ DPS. That's enough to beat the content, if everybody knows the mechanics.

So in total: The race definetely doesn't matter.

Just play what you want, because if you don't have fun with the game because you are forced to play something (and therefore invest money, because the game changes race-bonuses), you will lose the fun and the sense to play a game.

But I guess a lot of players just love to complain: So here are the race changes! Tadaaa!

richo262

Chufu wrote: »

Just play what you want, because if you don't have fun with the game because you are forced to play something (and therefore invest money, because the game changes race-bonuses), you will lose the fun and the sense to play a game.

Bingo, I agree. I don't want to play an mDK as a Dunmer. Thanks for your understanding.

Skwor

No it did not.

mxxo

Got 4 Mag Dunmer, even my Main. I try to understand why they make these passive changes. But they should care for their customers in return and give the possibility for class change. I love my chars, put effort in their creation and just dont want to change them to some random Altmer.

Davor

If people are really up in arms over this, just quit the game, go else where. That is really sticking it to Zenimax. Other wise it's all nonsense screaming since they will not go anywhere and Zenimax knows its.

Just like children you just let them have their tantrum and everything will be just like it was.

They have the power to change, but choose not to do so.

Idinuse

Chufu wrote: »

I can't understand all the problems?

Who is playing in a guild like Hodor where you need to have "the perfect race" for PvE-Content just to have 60k instead of 59k? Or even if the race-choice would do 3-4k DPS, what is that in a whole fight? If you are a very good player, you can be a Magicka Orc Healer and the world would not care as long as your raidmembers are not dying. Or as Finnigan once told me: It's enough if every DD in a raid can do 25k+ DPS. That's enough to beat the content, if everybody knows the mechanics.

So in total: The race definetely doesn't matter.

Just play what you want, because if you don't have fun with the game because you are forced to play something (and therefore invest money, because the game changes race-bonuses), you will lose the fun and the sense to play a game.

But I guess a lot of players just love to complain: So here are the race changes! Tadaaa!

So if the race definitely doesn't matter why are Zos poking it then? JUST to milk cash? Ok.

Edaphon

richo262 wrote: »

Why race change isn't ideal.

1) Some people are unaffected (they don't have a Mag Dunmer)
2) Some people have more than 1 Mag Dunmer and therefore 1 race change is not enough.
3) Changing the race of their Dunmer will still leave that character with a Dunmer lore name.

The likelihood is, most with a Mag Dunmer that wants to get ideal results will want to change their race, but the name of their Altmer / Kitteh might not be lore friendly.

If I could change my class, I'd change my Dunmer to a Stam Necro, it can keep its name, and save my Dunmer from becoming nothing more than a writ jockey.

I'm all for class change tokens but your argument is really weak.

eso_nya

Chufu wrote: »

If you are a very good player, you can be a Magicka Orc Healer and the world would not care as long as your raidmembers are not dying.

While i agree on your post, the problem here is, that finding a grp willing to put up with an orc healer might be a serious problem. tryhards and terribads tend to be biased af.
u can get away with a lot of things when u r bis geared and have above 1k cp, but as a 200 cp orc healer, good luck finding ppl to help u farm jorvulds or olorime. imagine u get a cookie for every time some "pro healer" tells u to change race. two for everytime u get kicked from grp cause someone died and it wasnt your fault.

richo262

Edaphon wrote: »

richo262 wrote: »

Why race change isn't ideal.

1) Some people are unaffected (they don't have a Mag Dunmer)
2) Some people have more than 1 Mag Dunmer and therefore 1 race change is not enough.
3) Changing the race of their Dunmer will still leave that character with a Dunmer lore name.

The likelihood is, most with a Mag Dunmer that wants to get ideal results will want to change their race, but the name of their Altmer / Kitteh might not be lore friendly.

If I could change my class, I'd change my Dunmer to a Stam Necro, it can keep its name, and save my Dunmer from becoming nothing more than a writ jockey.

I'm all for class change tokens but your argument is really weak.

It was somewhat written as a joke (with truth in it). I immediately assumed all people wanting a race change must be a Dunmer mDK ... look, never mind. At least the 1st response got the joke.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

richo262 wrote: »

Or I'd change the class of my Dunmer to Writ Jockey just to make it official.

You could just change the name of your Dunmer to "Writ Jockey" and really make it official.

Turelus

eso_nya wrote: »

Chufu wrote: »

If you are a very good player, you can be a Magicka Orc Healer and the world would not care as long as your raidmembers are not dying.

While i agree on your post, the problem here is, that finding a grp willing to put up with an orc healer might be a serious problem. tryhards and terribads tend to be biased af.
u can get away with a lot of things when u r bis geared and have above 1k cp, but as a 200 cp orc healer, good luck finding ppl to help u farm jorvulds or olorime. imagine u get a cookie for every time some "pro healer" tells u to change race. two for everytime u get kicked from grp cause someone died and it wasnt your fault.

Other than pugs this shouldn't be an issue. If you're in guilds making this an issue they're bad guilds and you should find better ones.
If it's pugs the that's their problem, they don't get to dictate random groups.

richo262

Well, they kinda do dictate it, because, there is a leader that has the power to kick.

I've never seen anybody kicked from an nTrial over their race. I could see nMOL and nHOF being a bit more thorough.

I have seen people be very particular on vTrials however. I don't blame them, nobody wants to commit an hour to a trial, only to fail because somebody intentionally picked the worse possible racial, build, skills, or whatever for the role they were meant to perform.

I don't see the correlation of difficulty of trial and expectation of finely tuned characters as something unusual at all.

Arrodisia

Chufu wrote: »

I can't understand all the problems?

Who is playing in a guild like Hodor where you need to have "the perfect race" for PvE-Content just to have 60k instead of 59k? Or even if the race-choice would do 3-4k DPS, what is that in a whole fight? If you are a very good player, you can be a Magicka Orc Healer and the world would not care as long as your raidmembers are not dying. Or as Finnigan once told me: It's enough if every DD in a raid can do 25k+ DPS. That's enough to beat the content, if everybody knows the mechanics.

So in total: The race definetely doesn't matter.

Just play what you want, because if you don't have fun with the game because you are forced to play something (and therefore invest money, because the game changes race-bonuses), you will lose the fun and the sense to play a game.

But I guess a lot of players just love to complain: So here are the race changes! Tadaaa!

I'm sorry you can't understand the problem. However, people can play as they like if they want meta or leaderboards fine. If they don't fine too. If they want to log on and just ride a horse only fine. Let them be and don't knock them for it.

Unfortunately, this isn't just a meta issue now. It's a balnce isuue which according to ZOS is covered by our subs. this is just 1 of many example but here goes. If someone really wanted wood elves and high elves way back but chose argonians because people only wanted argonians in their pvp raid groups. They can supposedly now feel free to do what they originally wanted without huge differences in bonuses anymore, and you chose each char for specific roles, but no that isn't really an option for many, because you would have to fork out 3.5k to change each one of your chars to either be the way you originally intended them to be or to match them back into a meta slot. Regardless, of how it's looked at, it's still a balancing issue covered in our subs. No way to recharge us for it. It's bad business.

MartiniDaniels

What's difficult to understand? If you only switched dunmer role, making this race so-so dps but good healers or tanks this will make sense. But they will be good for nothing after those changes. 3rd grade magdps, 2nd grade stamdps, completely useless as tanks or healers. They are even worse hybrids as they were, since they had good synergy with DK, which will be gone now.
Same for imperials and bosmers, though it's not so clear to everybody since they were not min-maxed like dunmers.

mairwen85

I main a dunmer magsorc... Not changing race. I'll adapt - - already reimagining my build with known sets as I did with the shield nerfs, learnt to play differently with different skills and gear. And who knows what new gear zos is adding.

I'm annoyed by the changes, really annoyed actually because something I've invested in and worked on for over 4 years is retroactively weakened outside of my control. I believe they can, should and will be revised... But I refuse to change race or skill to suit anyone other than myself.

Plus this loop will only repeat at some point in the future anyway. In the meantime I have a bretin magplar healer, who just became a bit more awesome than she already was, so... You know. Swings and roundabouts and all the rest.