ZOS, Q3 DLC Dungeon Pack brings a problem to Pledges!

joaaocaampos

As you know, we will have 2 DLC Dungeon Packs this year.

But there is a problem... and the problem is called Urgalarg Chief-bane! Let me explain:

Today, Maj al-Ragath and Glirion the Redbeard are responsible for 12 daily quests/dungeons each. So far so good. But meanwhile, before Wrathstone DLC, Urgalarg Chief-bane is responsible for 10 daily quests/DLC dungeons. After Wrathstone DLC, Urgalarg Chief-bane will also be responsible for 12 daily quests/dungeons!

Did you catch the problem? No? Urgalarg Chief-bane can't be responsible for 14 DLC dungeons (in Q3), while Maj al-Ragath and Glirion the Redbeard account for 12 daily quests each!

I have two solutions to this problem.

1. RNG system remains.
2. RNG is completely removed.

Solution 1: RNG system remains

Old DLC dungeons moving to Base Game, available for all ESO players! At the moment, I'm talking about Imperial City and Shadows of the Hist. But in the future other DLC dungeons would also become free!

With this change, these 4 dungeons would be transferred to Maj al-Ragath and Glirion the Redbeard, totaling 14 dungeons each!

• Maj al-Ragath: Imperial City Prison and White-Gold Tower.
• Glirion the Redbeard: Cradle of Shadows and Ruins of Mazzatun.

While Urgalarg Chief-bane would be responsible for only 8 DLC dungeons, including the two dungeons of Wrathstone DLC. 8/14 means 3 DLC dungeon packs, to total 14/14!

Imperial City will be disengaged from Cyrodiil and have its own campaign. Maybe Imperial City will become available for all ESO players! And this Pledges problem will only come in Q3, around the same time as the release of Shadows of the Hist! Do you believe that?

Solution 2: RNG is completely removed

There is a rework in the system.

• "Undaunted Keys" is now a new currency.
• Undaunted Chests are removed.
• Monster Shoulders can now be purchased by Undaunted NPCs. You are free to choose and buy!
• Monster Shoulders can cost from 6 to 10 "Undaunted Coins".
• You get the amount of Undaunted Coin in the same way as Undaunted Keys.

ZOS? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Finn

Lyserus

Slow down there, tiger

ghastley

joaaocaampos wrote: »

Did you catch the problem? No? Urgalarg Chief-bane can't be responsible for 14 DLC dungeons (in Q3), while Maj al-Ragath and Glirion the Redbeard account for 12 daily quests each!

I don't see why this is any kind of problem. His count doesn't match theirs now, so why is this "imbalance" ever an issue?

BrianLovesLisa

Today, Maj al-Ragath and Glirion the Redbeard are responsible for 12 daily quests/dungeons each.
Maj al-Ragath: Banished Cells I & II, Darkshade Caverns I & II, Elden Hollow I & II, Fungal Grotto I & II, Spindleclutch I & II, and Wayrest Sewers I & II.
Glirion the Redbeard: Arx Corinium, Blackheart Haven, Blessed Crucible, City of Ash I & II, Crypt of Hearts I & II, Direfrost, Selene’s Web, Tempest Island, Vaults of Madness, and Volenfell.
So far so good.

But meanwhile, before Wrathstone DLC, Urgalarg Chief-bane is responsible for 10 daily quests/DLC dungeons:
Imperial City Prison, White-Gold Tower, Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, Bloodroot Forge, Falkreath Hold, Fang Lair, Scalecaller Peak, March of Sacrifices, and Moon Hunter Keep.


Did you catch the problem? No? Urgalarg Chief-bane can't be responsible for 14 DLC dungeons (in Q3), while Maj al-Ragath and Glirion the Redbeard account for 12 daily quests each!


So by your logic it is OKAY for Urgalarg to be 2 Quests behind but not 2 quests ahead?

themaddaedra

Why is poor dude not allowed to have 14 dungeons tho? I didn't quite catch that.

Lyserus

The only problem I see is the dlc chest for shoulder is getting bigger poll every year and eventually we need new chest

joaaocaampos

Lyserus wrote: »

Slow down there, tiger

I know I'm talking about a problem that will come in Q3 (DLC dungeon pack), but that's an impending problem!

ccmedaddy

They just need to revamp the system completely. Opening hundreds of these chests in a row (and still not getting the item I want) is one of the most soul-sucking experiences I've had in a video game ever.

joaaocaampos

BrianLovesLisa wrote: »

So by your logic it is OKAY for Urgalarg to be 2 Quests behind but not 2 quests ahead?

Yeah.

This is a snowball! It's a cumulative problem!

Urgalarg Chief-bane

• 12 dungeons with "Wrathstone DLC." (So far so good)
• 14 dungeons with Unannounced Q3 DLC dungeon pack
• 16 dungeons with Unannounced Q1-2020 DLC dungeon pack
• 18 dungeons with Unannounced Q3-2020 DLC dungeon pack
• Etc...

Something needs to be done.

gepe87

Too much dlc dungeons and the vanilla ones are the best.

joaaocaampos

themaddaedra wrote: »

Why is poor dude not allowed to have 14 dungeons tho? I didn't quite catch that.

Undaunted Chests. DLC shoulders. RNG.

joaaocaampos

Lyserus wrote: »

The only problem I see is the dlc chest for shoulder is getting bigger poll every year and eventually we need new chest

That would be another solution. New undaunted chest and NPC in Q3.

But I think my solution is more fun.

themaddaedra

joaaocaampos wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Why is poor dude not allowed to have 14 dungeons tho? I didn't quite catch that.

Undaunted Chests. DLC shoulders. RNG.

And how is it helping if 2 dungeons are offered by someone else? I mean the amount of shoulders are still the same and at least one of the chests will still have more than others. Doesn't make any sense at all tbh.

validifyedneb18_ESO

joaaocaampos wrote: »

As you know, we will have 2 DLC Dungeon Packs this year.

But there is a problem... and the problem is called Urgalarg Chief-bane! Let me explain:

Today, Maj al-Ragath and Glirion the Redbeard are responsible for 12 daily quests/dungeons each.

• Maj al-Ragath: Banished Cells I & II, Darkshade Caverns I & II, Elden Hollow I & II, Fungal Grotto I & II, Spindleclutch I & II, and Wayrest Sewers I & II.
• Glirion the Redbeard: Arx Corinium, Blackheart Haven, Blessed Crucible, City of Ash I & II, Crypt of Hearts I & II, Direfrost, Selene’s Web, Tempest Island, Vaults of Madness, and Volenfell.

So far so good.

But meanwhile, before Wrathstone DLC, Urgalarg Chief-bane is responsible for 10 daily quests/DLC dungeons:

• Imperial City Prison, White-Gold Tower, Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, Bloodroot Forge, Falkreath Hold, Fang Lair, Scalecaller Peak, March of Sacrifices, and Moon Hunter Keep.

After Wrathstone DLC, Urgalarg Chief-bane will also be responsible for 12 daily quests/dungeons.

Did you catch the problem? No? Urgalarg Chief-bane can't be responsible for 14 DLC dungeons (in Q3), while Maj al-Ragath and Glirion the Redbeard account for 12 daily quests each!

I have the solution to this problem: Old DLC dungeons moving to Base Game, available for all ESO players! At the moment, I'm talking about Imperial City and Shadows of the Hist. But in the future other DLC dungeons would also become free!

With this change, these 4 dungeons would be transferred to Maj al-Ragath and Glirion the Redbeard, totaling 14 dungeons each!

• Maj al-Ragath: Imperial City Prison and White-Gold Tower.
• Glirion the Redbeard: Cradle of Shadows and Ruins of Mazzatun.

While Urgalarg Chief-bane would be responsible for only 8 DLC dungeons, including the two dungeons of Wrathstone DLC. 8/14 means 3 DLC dungeon packs, to total 14/14!

I hope this is also ZeniMax's solution!

Wait... It can happen!

Imperial City will be disengaged from Cyrodiil and have its own campaign. Maybe Imperial City will become available for all ESO players! And this Pledges problem will only come in Q3, around the same time as the release of Shadows of the Hist! Do you believe that?

ZOS? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_Finn

I dont see the problem.

The only real problem is how much more of a pain in the ass it's becoming to get the right shoulders from each chest. We could really do with adding a 4th even if its not named after an NPC that gives pledges. 1/36 is already way too dumb. Ive used over 60 keys and still never gotten a light armor copy of Iceheart. 3 Medium versions, 1 Heavy, like 15 Nerineths, no Light Iceheart.

joaaocaampos

themaddaedra wrote: »

joaaocaampos wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Why is poor dude not allowed to have 14 dungeons tho? I didn't quite catch that.

Undaunted Chests. DLC shoulders. RNG.

And how is it helping if 2 dungeons are offered by someone else? I mean the amount of shoulders are still the same and at least one of the chests will still have more than others. Doesn't make any sense at all tbh.

My solution slows down a gigantic problem that ZeniMax has created.

Glory

I would much rather see the Undaunted guild enlist additional quest givers with their corresponding chests.

1. It would be interesting to see the guild actually grow dynamically as the game grows.
2. It would reduce the ever-growing RNG of getting the desired drops.
3. It would solve the quest distribution issue
4. It would incentivize people to running even more content (4+ dailies you can choose)
5. It would allow those trying to get their Undaunted up more opportunities to get experience

joaaocaampos

ccmedaddy wrote: »

They just need to revamp the system completely. Opening hundreds of these chests in a row (and still not getting the item I want) is one of the most soul-sucking experiences I've had in a video game ever.

Agree!

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

I dont see the problem.

The only real problem is how much more of a pain in the ass it's becoming to get the right shoulders from each chest. We could really do with adding a 4th even if its not named after an NPC that gives pledges. 1/36 is already way too dumb. Ive used over 60 keys and still never gotten a light armor copy of Iceheart. 3 Medium versions, 1 Heavy, like 15 Nerineths, no Light Iceheart.

You don't see the problem, but you exposed the problem!

BTW, as @ccmedaddy said, they need to revamp the system completely. In fact, they just need to completely remove the RNG, removing the Chests and turning the Undaunted Keys into a new currency in which you purchase the shoulders that you want.

Valykc

Lol, I’m guessing someone has OCD

Lykanus

Add (better sooner) a 4th NPC and Chest and regroup the existing dungeons to split over 4 NPC/Chests.

With Wrathstone it could look like 10/10/10/6, Q3 2019 10/10/10/8, Q1 2020 then 10 and with Q3 2020 12/10/10/10, and stocking up until all hold 12 again, that would be a longer term solution for years, eases a bit the rng problem AND offers more choice on the daily pledges as 4 per day are available so you dont see some dungeons only every 14 or less days.

themaddaedra

joaaocaampos wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

joaaocaampos wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Why is poor dude not allowed to have 14 dungeons tho? I didn't quite catch that.

Undaunted Chests. DLC shoulders. RNG.

And how is it helping if 2 dungeons are offered by someone else? I mean the amount of shoulders are still the same and at least one of the chests will still have more than others. Doesn't make any sense at all tbh.

My solution slows down a gigantic problem that ZeniMax has created.

That’s a strange sentence. Ok, i guess lol.

Eso101rus

The only problem I see with dlc dungeons is that most of the pugs have absolutely no idea on the mechanics....that does cause me a problem.

jaws343

I think a far better solution to Shoulder RNG would be to allow us to trade in X amount of keys for a pick of what piece you want. They could even make that piece intentionally Invigorating with no enchantment and White quality so that you are forced to transmute and upgrade it. But it would solve the problem, still allow you to roll the dice for a decent traited shoulder, but provide the option to actually get the shoulder pieces you need. I still have not received a Balorgh shoulder piece and it is pretty ridiculous that one of the harder to get Monster Helms is easier to get than the actual shoulder piece.

paulychan

Wait, wat?

ManwithBeard9

They have mentioned they are looking into a sort of token system for the Undaunted chests. Assuming they do work that in somehow, the only issue is "avoiding" dungeons you dont want to run.

joaaocaampos

Based on your feedback, I have developed two solutions. The topic has been edited!

@ccmedaddy @Lyserus @themaddaedra @validifyedneb18_ESO @Lykanus @jaws343 @ManwithBeard9

joaaocaampos wrote: »

Solution 2: RNG is completely removed

There is a rework in the system.

• "Undaunted Keys" is now a new currency.
• Undaunted Chests are removed.
• Monster Shoulders can now be purchased by Undaunted NPCs. You are free to choose and buy!
• Monster Shoulders can cost from 6 to 10 "Undaunted Coins".
• You get the amount of Undaunted Coin in the same way as Undaunted Keys.

Silver_Strider

We don't even know if this will be a problem. For all we know, ZOS could FINALLY release part 2 of all the base game dungeons and give them to the Maj and Glirion as a part of their standard pledge rotations.