Please make Drodda's suffocation spell interruptable

profundidob16_ESO

Since it is ZOS' policy to allow diversity in builds and "play as you want" it also attracts the worst possible players into random dungeon experiences. Therefore it's absolutely necessary to (re)design the fights in such a way that compentent players always have options available in order to compensate for other group members with lesser (or zero) skill.

Low dps in a normal random groups is a normal thing but 1 clueless non-english speaking group member not breaking Drodda's suffocation spell being able to prevent the entire group from completing the dungeon should not exist as a thing. Not without extra ways for the other group members to solve the problem other than all 3 agreeing on kicking that 1 clueless player or leaving group themselves. This is bad design for me

Ash_In_My_Sujamma

It's not bad design. Stun>Break free is a basic mechanism of the game. It is explained during the tutorial and if you have tips activated you will see it on your screen quite often. It is also encountered all the time since most npcs have a stun ability. That's it. Nothing complex. Just break free.

mairwen85

@profundidob16_ESO

On normal?

TiZzA93

I have noticed theres a ton of pugs that just let her do it XD norm no probs burns still vet a nuisance but hm vet is a pure pain if they dnt do it after u explain

profundidob16_ESO

mairwen85 wrote: »

@profundidob16_ESO

On normal?

yes, on normal !

HelixUnited

try completing it on vet hm with 2 low dps and neither of them break free! something needs to be changed because I dislike kicking people from groups but after many attempts to try to explain they had to be kicked.
a change would be good

Osteos

About the only thing you can do if they wont break free is leave them dead.

Inarre

Doesnt anti heal work on her

mairwen85

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

@profundidob16_ESO

On normal?

yes, on normal !

profundidob16_ESO

Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »

It's not bad design. Stun>Break free is a basic mechanism of the game. It is explained during the tutorial and if you have tips activated you will see it on your screen quite often. It is also encountered all the time since most npcs have a stun ability. That's it. Nothing complex. Just break free.

will you please tell that to the clueless dps player that doesn't speak english, doesn't respond to any typing in the group, doesn't interrupt yet doesn't get kicked because his friend is equal horrible dps (except he does break the suffocation) does accept the vote to kick ?

together last night again such a group where both dps together did about half the dps the boss heals on a full suffocation spell

Samadhi

Have had DPS get pissed at me for not interrupting the suffocation effect
in the event of them raging, the next time they get grabbed causes me to stop everything and stand there waving my shield at the boss
sometimes they clue in that it is not possible for the tank to free them; sometimes the run just has me quit out and requeue
at least tank wait times are short

profundidob16_ESO

HelixUnited wrote: »

try completing it on vet hm with 2 low dps and neither of them break free! something needs to be changed because I dislike kicking people from groups but after many attempts to try to explain they had to be kicked.
a change would be good

I saw it many many times as tank in vet mode but it stuns me to see that even in normal mode dps players in random finder can be so bad to make the fight go on forever, leaving a pure tank that has completed all vet DLC HM mode completely powerless.

profundidob16_ESO

Osteos wrote: »

About the only thing you can do if they wont break free is leave them dead.

this dps had 28K health (go figure...) and wouldn't die to anything yet keep the group from completing

HelixUnited

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

HelixUnited wrote: »

try completing it on vet hm with 2 low dps and neither of them break free! something needs to be changed because I dislike kicking people from groups but after many attempts to try to explain they had to be kicked.
a change would be good

I saw it many many times as tank in vet mode but it stuns me to see that even in normal mode dps players in random finder can be so bad to make the fight go on forever, leaving a pure tank that has completed all vet DLC HM mode completely powerless.

I tend to run dungeons as a healer as my dps isn't great and I enjoy the support role more but it does make things go a lot harder when dps even on normal keep avoiding simple mechs
and most of it is down to the fact that high dps can skip and burn it real fast so when the lower or newer players see this they think this is how it is supposed to be done and they don't learn so when they go into vet they just do what they have been shown to do on normal
ncr is a prime example for this also

Ash_In_My_Sujamma

So here is an example. When you first start playing eso and you are droped in the tutorial, the game gives you a set of tools. Those tools are shapes. There is square, a pyramid, a prism, a cylinder etc. After that the game throws you some situations where you might need those tools to counter them. Those situations are the holes on the box. Every hole is shaped exactly like the outline of those shapes. What you must do is fit the correct shape in every hole. Sometimes the hole shape might not be very clear. In that case you try to fit different shapes and you learn by your errors. That's it. That is how easy this break free mechanism is. It is not even a combination of actions. It's just one simple action.

profundidob16_ESO

Inarre wrote: »

Doesnt anti heal work on her

I doubt it highly but that's actually something I've never tried on her in all honesty. It's worth testing if something like an optimized minor+major defile set would affect her at all but even then I wouldn't carry a whole different extra setup on me all the time just in case I would happen to get direfrost as random dungeon so even if it does it's not a valid workaround for what is simply bad design.

Either way I've learned my lesson after the latest 3 direfrost keep runs. If dps is horrible on the first 3 thrash pulls and/or Troll boss, I just leave group rather than take the risk to find out the bad news at the very end

HelixUnited

Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »

So here is an example. When you first start playing eso and you are droped in the tutorial, the game gives you a set of tools. Those tools are shapes. There is square, a pyramid, a prism, a cylinder etc. After that the game throws you some situations where you might need those tools to counter them. Those situations are the holes on the box. Every hole is shaped exactly like the outline of those shapes. What you must do is fit the correct shape in every hole. Sometimes the hole shape might not be very clear. In that case you try to fit different shapes and you learn by your errors. That's it. That is how easy this break free mechanism is. It is not even a combination of actions. It's just one simple action.

all that being true but clearly not everyone knows, can or does
and unfortunately there is some that don't even know break free is a thing

Itzmichi

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

Since it is ZOS' policy to allow diversity in builds and "play as you want" it also attracts the worst possible players into random dungeon experiences. Therefore it's absolutely necessary to (re)design the fights in such a way that compentent players always have options available in order to compensate for other group members with lesser (or zero) skill.

Low dps in a normal random groups is a normal thing but 1 clueless non-english speaking group member not breaking Drodda's suffocation spell being able to prevent the entire group from completing the dungeon should not exist as a thing. Not without extra ways for the other group members to solve the problem other than all 3 agreeing on kicking that 1 clueless player or leaving group themselves. This is bad design for me

Sorry but when you struggle on normal is safe to say that the group all together didn't even have 10k dps which is pretty bad. It's not always 1 individual but most likely the whole group, but so many people think they are above the average but in fact it's the other way around.

Ash_In_My_Sujamma

and unfortunately there is some that don't even know break free is a thing

So does that make it a "bad design"? Or is it a valid reason to ask for nerfs? Because all I read is "I can't understand chess, please change the rules". I might be missunderstanding this but I honestly think I don't.

profundidob16_ESO

Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »

and unfortunately there is some that don't even know break free is a thing

So does that make it a "bad design"? Or is it a valid reason to ask for nerfs? Because all I read is "I can't understand chess, please change the rules". I might be missunderstanding this but I honestly think I don't.

You misunderstand. Chess is well designed so that it is literally impossible for a single player to lead the game into any sort of 'black hole' scenario where the game becomes stuck indefinately. The closest thing to that in chess is the so called 'stalemate' situation which is included in the ruleset as an automatic and immediate "game over" condition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalemate

Itzmichi

Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »

and unfortunately there is some that don't even know break free is a thing

So does that make it a "bad design"? Or is it a valid reason to ask for nerfs? Because all I read is "I can't understand chess, please change the rules". I might be missunderstanding this but I honestly think I don't.

You Sir, earned yourself an awesome. Couldn't agree more. 👌

vovus69

if you have a problem on normal - you are in the wrong group. DPS in normal direfrost can solo this *** if needed. If you have tow low dps guys and they don't respond to you - just leave the group. There is no other choice.

-vovus

FlyingSwan

'Please nerf faceroll thing to be even more faceroll', yup, that's the ESO forum signature cry.

WrathOfInnos

I’ll admit that I’m guilty of letting a player die to this move after 2-3 times of not breaking free on vet. A dead DD actually does more DPS than a DD that is actively healing the boss.

max_only

I’ve met plenty of English speaking players that still don’t understand “break free” even after cp 160.

The normal outside game doesn’t punish you at all for staying in your stun. One never has to practice break free.
So yes, Drodda on normal takes forever when teammates go from overworld to normal dungeons.

idk

I would not be in favor of this. Understanding that some players are challenged with mechanics, it is better for them to improve than to bring the game to their level. It is also why we are able to form our own group.

Skander

no

HelixUnited

Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »

and unfortunately there is some that don't even know break free is a thing

So does that make it a "bad design"? Or is it a valid reason to ask for nerfs? Because all I read is "I can't understand chess, please change the rules". I might be missunderstanding this but I honestly think I don't.

No Im not saying nerf it mechs are there for a reason, Im saying maybe another option for others to break free the one that wont or cant since it does cost stamina to do so, other dungeons have this option and can still be a challenge,
the problem is if you have a low dps group that wont break free the dungeon will not get done unless you kick them from the group,
and for some kicking a member seems to be the easy go to option so that person never learns and becomes another groups problem

Salvas_Aren

Drodda can be singled by a player with 11 or 12k DPS and no ult. Did it on my full healer. Took me forever, but I did it.

So, if a group of 4 does not have 12k DPS, something went wrong.

FrancisCrawford

HelixUnited wrote: »

try completing it on vet hm with 2 low dps and neither of them break free! something needs to be changed because I dislike kicking people from groups but after many attempts to try to explain they had to be kicked.
a change would be good

Why would you active HM if the group was that weak? Or is it the weak DPS who are doing the activation?

FierceSam

Ash_In_My_Sujamma wrote: »

It's not bad design. Stun>Break free is a basic mechanism of the game. It is explained during the tutorial and if you have tips activated you will see it on your screen quite often. It is also encountered all the time since most npcs have a stun ability. That's it. Nothing complex. Just break free.

You clearly haven't done the Summerset tutorial. That is so sketchy it barely covers light and heavy attacks.

If ZOS wanted to have proper tutorials, there would be workable practice dummies in the fighters/mages guild spaces so people could be guided through how to attack, block, break free, interrupt etc.

For a lot of people, the first time break free becomes genuinely important is doing this dungeon. You would be amazed how many people fail to understand that she is healing herself when she beams you and that break free will stop this.

Even though you have the same mechanics on the guy downstairs.

And of course you can solo it with low dps AS LONG AS YOU BREAK FREE WHEN SHE BEAMS YOU.