Battleground scoring need a tweak? Healing doesn't get its just due.

ck37090

just doesn't seem right when a healer can be the biggest factor in a bg group they get a fraction of the points

Tasear

Which system? Because this was adjusted while I was class representative. Also personally my score over here has been fair? Please describe your situation more.

sharquez

Just because you are a healer doesn't mean you can't contribute in ways other than spamming BOL/Springs/Shrooms. It's up to you to improve your score by providing more meaningful contribution either by securing kills while other players are occupied, Pushing objectives or being a huge PITA to enemies. Don't expect to spam healing skills get carried and have the highest score. Besides who really cares about the points next yo your name? They don't matter beyond a flimsy metric to compare your personal contribution in that particular battleground.

ck37090

sharquez wrote: »

Just because you are a healer doesn't mean you can't contribute in ways other than spamming BOL/Springs/Shrooms. It's up to you to improve your score by providing more meaningful contribution either by securing kills while other players are occupied, Pushing objectives or being a huge PITA to enemies. Don't expect to spam healing skills get carried and have the highest score. Besides who really cares about the points next yo your name? They don't matter beyond a flimsy metric to compare your personal contribution in that particular battleground.

yeah, right...half the time I am carrying the group because they would be wiped otherwise. I'm not an idiot, I know how to contribute, you think you are saying something revolutionary? Watch Fengrush when he streams and look at his scores on his healer compared to when he plays a dps, is he not playing right either?

Taleof2Cities

Agree with @Tasear.

Healing in battlegrounds is fine ... even in deathmatch scenarios.

I’d like to see a video from the OP showing his (her) “carry” of the group.

Skwor

sharquez wrote: »

Just because you are a healer doesn't mean you can't contribute in ways other than spamming BOL/Springs/Shrooms. It's up to you to improve your score by providing more meaningful contribution either by securing kills while other players are occupied, Pushing objectives or being a huge PITA to enemies. Don't expect to spam healing skills get carried and have the highest score. Besides who really cares about the points next yo your name? They don't matter beyond a flimsy metric to compare your personal contribution in that particular battleground.

Just becuase your dps doesn't mean you can not help heal... which is just about every dps as they build for nothing but max dps and no survivability. Should work both ways don't you think? Yet it doesn't.

I am actually conceptually aligned with your response. I just find the way you stated it rude and presumptive as well as one sided.

sharquez

Skwor wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

Just because you are a healer doesn't mean you can't contribute in ways other than spamming BOL/Springs/Shrooms. It's up to you to improve your score by providing more meaningful contribution either by securing kills while other players are occupied, Pushing objectives or being a huge PITA to enemies. Don't expect to spam healing skills get carried and have the highest score. Besides who really cares about the points next yo your name? They don't matter beyond a flimsy metric to compare your personal contribution in that particular battleground.

Just becuase your dps doesn't mean you can not help heal... which is just about every dps as they build for nothing but max dps and no survivability. Should work both ways don't you think? Yet it doesn't.

I am actually conceptually aligned with your response. I just find the way you stated it rude and presumptive as well as one sided.

It was rude and presumptive you are right. I meant no disrespect nor denigration to the OP but I am also of the mind that many of the threads on here are thoughtless complaints without the player looking inward to see what they as a player can do to immediately improve their situation. So I kind of default to the usually diagnosis for what a player might be doing wrong.

To OP I have no reason to think you are overstating your contribution to the team as healers are important, but the scoring system as it is will more than likely never change. As such in order to improve your score because it matters personally to you, you should focus your build to not only effectively heal but to effectively gain points based on your contribution. Of course an easy way to do this is to secure kills, but point defense is another as is capturing points. Perhaps working extra speed or tankiness in would help? Since I don't know what your build/class is I don' know any specific suggestions to get a better resolution for now.

iCaliban

sharquez wrote: »

Just because you are a healer doesn't mean you can't contribute in ways other than spamming BOL/Springs/Shrooms. It's up to you to improve your score by providing more meaningful contribution either by securing kills while other players are occupied, Pushing objectives or being a huge PITA to enemies. Don't expect to spam healing skills get carried and have the highest score. Besides who really cares about the points next yo your name? They don't matter beyond a flimsy metric to compare your personal contribution in that particular battleground.

Healers are THE difference between winning and losing against good groups.

ck37090

sharquez wrote: »

Skwor wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

Just because you are a healer doesn't mean you can't contribute in ways other than spamming BOL/Springs/Shrooms. It's up to you to improve your score by providing more meaningful contribution either by securing kills while other players are occupied, Pushing objectives or being a huge PITA to enemies. Don't expect to spam healing skills get carried and have the highest score. Besides who really cares about the points next yo your name? They don't matter beyond a flimsy metric to compare your personal contribution in that particular battleground.

Just becuase your dps doesn't mean you can not help heal... which is just about every dps as they build for nothing but max dps and no survivability. Should work both ways don't you think? Yet it doesn't.

I am actually conceptually aligned with your response. I just find the way you stated it rude and presumptive as well as one sided.

It was rude and presumptive you are right. I meant no disrespect nor denigration to the OP but I am also of the mind that many of the threads on here are thoughtless complaints without the player looking inward to see what they as a player can do to immediately improve their situation. So I kind of default to the usually diagnosis for what a player might be doing wrong.

To OP I have no reason to think you are overstating your contribution to the team as healers are important, but the scoring system as it is will more than likely never change. As such in order to improve your score because it matters personally to you, you should focus your build to not only effectively heal but to effectively gain points based on your contribution. Of course an easy way to do this is to secure kills, but point defense is another as is capturing points. Perhaps working extra speed or tankiness in would help? Since I don't know what your build/class is I don' know any specific suggestions to get a better resolution for now.

I play all classes / setups, my post was in comparison to my own results when playing dps opposed to healing in BGs (deathmatch). My evaluation is based off the scores I get when I play dps opposed to healing. I'm only comparing my own contributions on each and the scores I get.

Seraphayel

Usually as a healer in BGs I carry DPS skills or at least a finisher with me to help fight enemies too. You can get some kills too as a healer if you participate in the fights and not just focus on healing.

If you play the incentives you get good points as a healer imho, I achieve the first or second place quite often.

sharquez

iCaliban wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

Just because you are a healer doesn't mean you can't contribute in ways other than spamming BOL/Springs/Shrooms. It's up to you to improve your score by providing more meaningful contribution either by securing kills while other players are occupied, Pushing objectives or being a huge PITA to enemies. Don't expect to spam healing skills get carried and have the highest score. Besides who really cares about the points next yo your name? They don't matter beyond a flimsy metric to compare your personal contribution in that particular battleground.

Healers are THE difference between winning and losing against good groups.

Who said they weren't?

p00tx

Seraphayel wrote: »

Usually as a healer in BGs I carry DPS skills or at least a finisher with me to help fight enemies too. You can get some kills too as a healer if you participate in the fights and not just focus on healing.

If you play the incentives you get good points as a healer imho, I achieve the first or second place quite often.

This ^^^ exactly.


A good healer should be able to fight if they get caught by themselves. Pick one or two good dps skills (Radiant O execute, Purifying Light, and Dark Deal ftw) and make sure you're weaving in light attacks every chance you get. I usually do at least a few hundred thousand dmg during any given match, while still healing anywhere from 500k to 1m health, only because of weaving in those skill where they're needed and keeping up a good light weaving rotation. I may or may not get a kill or two, but only because I "steal" the kill with my execute (sorry guys).

Sometimes a team can sustain its health somewhat okay on its own, and they just need a little extra dmg to get them over the hump for a kill. You can be that push.

On the other hand, not all matches are Deathmatch. Maybe try queueing for one of the other matches and contribute by being the awesome tanky healer who can hold that Chaos Ball forever while healing themselves. You'll outscore everyone in the group.

Royaji

Healing is already too much of a deciding factor in Battlegrounds. There is no need to promote more healbotting.

To be fair healing (on others, not yourself) in BGs (not in Cyro) only deserves a harsh nerf to shorter the TTK and reduce the advantage a pre-made with a healer has. Or you should be forced to specifically queue as a healer and only be put in a game when there is a healer for every team.

Bashev

OP is right, if you only heal the score is bad. You have to make some dps too. Also hots are way better for scoring than the burst heals.

Brutusmax1mus

Ex. I healed for 1.9 m and got 1900 points. The same amount as when i healed for 1.2.m and looked at it.

Betty_Booms

Yeah unfortunately healers need to make up their points in assists aswell.
You should be dpsing to keep your glyphs going anyway.
I run a destro blockade / resto build when I heal and it scores quite well.