Complaining About Midyear Mayhem Being A PVP Event When The Last 4 Events Were PVE Related

Aliyavana

Witches Festival, Clockwork City, Undaunted, and New Life events, all PVE related... but the second one PVP event comes out it gets people angry at it? PVPers had to go through PVE to get their tickets.

Leeched

I think its not about it being a PvP event but more about the (very) poor server performance that makes Cyro already unplayble - even without any event going on atm...

WildRaptorX

I believe people are upset because of performance and lag issues in Cyrodiil.
The last mayhem event ZOS pulled it because it became unplayable with all these players flooding in. It wasn’t that long ago and nothing has changed performance wise so people are expecting the same issues to happen again.

Lasinagol

Pvp isn't that difficult, with a group. I think it is mostly people who don't have a pvp setup nor toon.
Lag definetly is a problem...what if everyone fought using only the Nord Bather's towel?

Gnozo

PvP will be unplayable during this time.

Vivec will have a queue of over 200.

Rip my reward level, rip my 50 crystals.

Shor and 2 new campaigns will be the only place to really pvp but since all will split it will be quite hard to find action.

Players will farm IC like crazy due to the amount of avaible campaigns and stores will be flooded with flowers and hakejo. Prices Dropping hard making IC farm less rewarding then it actually is.

jcm2606

It's more the fact that the event will make greater Cyrodiil unplayable across more or less all campaigns, when Zenimax just got chewed out by the community for the Undaunted event being borderline unplayable. They got yelled at, they apologised, but apparently they didn't learn their lesson.

Bam_Bam

Didn't experience anything other than big queues to get into Cyrodiil at the last MM event.When I finally got in I had a blast.
As for performance, the last 3 updates have transformed the game for me and I've seen real improvement.
I also make sure I keep on top of my gear. I'll run CCleaner before starting gaming and I also use Koshy John's memory cleaner/trimmer. Because I use Avira antivirus, I'll also use the Gaming Mode to get another performance boost. And I'll also do a clean install of Windows every year.

Juhasow

Rilis wrote: »

I think its not about it being a PvP event but more about the (very) poor server performance that makes Cyro already unplayble - even without any event going on atm...

Excatly this. Rich Lambert once said about Undaunted event , quote " we will not hold another in-game event that requires the Activity Finder until we are 100% confident that the tool can support it." and now they're making similar mistake - they're releasing PvP event when it's obvious server cant handle it. Like seriously they really need to learn their lessons so many times ?

Lasinagol

What can console players do except for search themselves narcissicitcly in the Guild Roster?

Clear game cache before luanch and that about sums it up.

MyKillv2.0

Aliyavana wrote: »

Witches Festival, Clockwork City, Undaunted, and New Life events, all PVE related... but the second one PVP event comes out it gets people angry at it? PVPers had to go through PVE to get their tickets.

I have no clue what world you keep yourself locked on but I have heard most of the complaining from PvPers about the event, not PvE guys.

ESO is like the real world, if you walk around seeking to be offended then you will find it. I pity people who have to surround themselves in misery to be happy.

Greystag

I think that most of the people against the PvP event are PvP players. Half a year ago we had Midyear Mayhem and PvP became unplayable because of the insane lag. This is like when dungeon queues weren't working during the undaunted event; everyone got mad at ZOS.

Datthaw

Aliyavana wrote: »

Witches Festival, Clockwork City, Undaunted, and New Life events, all PVE related... but the second one PVP event comes out it gets people angry at it? PVPers had to go through PVE to get their tickets.

People who dont pvp will not understand why people who actually pvp are upset.

To understand why pvp players are upset, do this.

1. Log into vivec during thing the evening
2. Find a keep fight
3. Travel to keep
4. Crash
5. Repeat step 3
6. Repeat step 4
7. Travel to resource away from main keeps
8. Fight with 3s delay
9. Repeat step 4
10. Log off and do something else

Ragnork

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

I have no clue what world you keep yourself locked on but I have heard most of the complaining from PvPers about the event, not PvE guys.

ESO is like the real world, if you walk around seeking to be offended then you will find it. I pity people who have to surround themselves in misery to be happy.

This - if I could I would mark this as insightful, agree and awesome

I mostly PvE and gladly will enter the PvP world (not just for this event, but because I actually enjoy it), but I do so with the trepidation of also knowing that I am in for a period of lag, load screens when riding between keeps, random kicks and of course dieing (a lot)

eso_nya

Datthaw wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Witches Festival, Clockwork City, Undaunted, and New Life events, all PVE related... but the second one PVP event comes out it gets people angry at it? PVPers had to go through PVE to get their tickets.

People who dont pvp will not understand why people who actually pvp are upset.

To understand why pvp players are upset, do this.

1. Log into vivec during thing the evening
2. Find a keep fight
3. Travel to keep
4. Crash
5. Repeat step 3
6. Repeat step 4
7. Travel to resource away from main keeps
8. Fight with 3s delay
9. Repeat step 4
10. Log off and do something else

u forgot
1a. Spend 15~20 minutes on the quest board taking and dropping quests until u get "Killl 40 Players".

Back to topic: "Midyear" is in january now? Whats the point of having back to back events, when u have to recycle old events?

technohic

They add servers and Shor is largely empty. If people would just go to the empty ones, we'll be fine. It just is hard for people who are already invested in Vivec.

Maybe they should make the awards only enabled in Shor and the extra servers. Just leave Vivec to people who already are playing the score.

Kilnerdyne

Baitclick thread.

~ Closed

Datthaw

technohic wrote: »

They add servers and Shor is largely empty. If people would just go to the empty ones, we'll be fine. It just is hard for people who are already invested in Vivec.

Maybe they should make the awards only enabled in Shor and the extra servers. Just leave Vivec to people who already are playing the score.

That's idiotic. So we just move pop to another server and keep *** lag? Viv lags with 2 bars now.

No fix the server

Vapirko

Probably going to be an 11 day break for me.

Ragnork

2019-Jan 4th
PC EU
Time kl14 or 2pm in Europe

Just been placed in a queue to log-in.... if you struggle to log-into the game off peak on a Friday afternoon then there is little hope of a trouble free PvP event regardless of how many servers they open for it....

Sandman929

The saddest part is that a lot of people who only PvP don't want this PvP event and are dreading it. Performance is a disaster most of the time.

Beardimus

Sandman929 wrote: »

The saddest part is that a lot of people who only PvP don't want this PvP event and are dreading it. Performance is a disaster most of the time.

I think it's about perspective / player behaviour though. Alot of PvPers want to zerg in Vivec, and yes during event that's gets worse.

But during event the quiet campaigns get Pop, and have decent action, less lag etc.

Whatever ZOS do players hit Vivec, and that's the issue. If we spread out and played in other ways Its good for all.

Personally I prefer decent small scale away from zergs and lag

Zathras

Rilis wrote: »

I think its not about it being a PvP event but more about the (very) poor server performance that makes Cyro already unplayble - even without any event going on atm...

^ This.

It's like the Dungeon Finder linked event. It was a large enough problem that Rich Lambert made a community announcement to not do it again until it was fixed. They also compensated the community by carrying over rewards from it into the New Life festival.

The same problems are going to happen with the PvP event: unplayability due to performance on their part, resulting in an angry playerbase.

It isn't necessarily a PvP vs PvE thing (although for some it is). It's mostly an issue with being able to functionally participate.

technohic

Datthaw wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

They add servers and Shor is largely empty. If people would just go to the empty ones, we'll be fine. It just is hard for people who are already invested in Vivec.

Maybe they should make the awards only enabled in Shor and the extra servers. Just leave Vivec to people who already are playing the score.

That's idiotic. So we just move pop to another server and keep *** lag? Viv lags with 2 bars now.

No fix the server

What's idiotic is keep going to Vivec e
When its unplayable and has a queue. Never had too much lag when any less than 2 factions pop locked. If youre getting it with 2 bars, you need to check your equipment

Datthaw

technohic wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

They add servers and Shor is largely empty. If people would just go to the empty ones, we'll be fine. It just is hard for people who are already invested in Vivec.

Maybe they should make the awards only enabled in Shor and the extra servers. Just leave Vivec to people who already are playing the score.

That's idiotic. So we just move pop to another server and keep *** lag? Viv lags with 2 bars now.

No fix the server

What's idiotic is keep going to Vivec e
When its unplayable and has a queue. Never had too much lag when any less than 2 factions pop locked. If youre getting it with 2 bars, you need to check your equipment

Ok so think about this, pop splits and Shor get 2 bars and viv 2 bars. Viv already lags with 2 bars so what happens with shor? Lag. Splitting the pop and reducing the pop cap is, idiotic, fix the damn lag

And with the 2 bar lag equipment check thing. I know alot of people who lag with 2 bars who has good comps and good internet.

Datthaw

Beardimus wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

The saddest part is that a lot of people who only PvP don't want this PvP event and are dreading it. Performance is a disaster most of the time.

I think it's about perspective / player behaviour though. Alot of PvPers want to zerg in Vivec, and yes during event that's gets worse.

But during event the quiet campaigns get Pop, and have decent action, less lag etc.

Whatever ZOS do players hit Vivec, and that's the issue. If we spread out and played in other ways Its good for all.

Personally I prefer decent small scale away from zergs and lag

The problem with this point of view imo is this has already been tried on pcna. Shor was pretty active for more competitive guilds and small scale. What happened? They all know eachother and don't want to fight. They would shame guilds and people who didnt play the "accepted" way. They want to farm potatos, the ones that zerg in viv. So it turned into a bunch of guilds who didn't fight and didn't play the map looking for groups of potatos who were not there because shor was against "zerging" and now shor is dead again.

People pvp where there is actual pvp

zaria

Greystag wrote: »

I think that most of the people against the PvP event are PvP players. Half a year ago we had Midyear Mayhem and PvP became unplayable because of the insane lag. This is like when dungeon queues weren't working during the undaunted event; everyone got mad at ZOS.

yes, however an pop locked campain with queues should not get more lag as it can not take more players.
You get idiotic queue times but that is another issue and bad enough.
And yes this might well happen because so many who has Vivec as home campaign want to play at once.

technohic

Datthaw wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

They add servers and Shor is largely empty. If people would just go to the empty ones, we'll be fine. It just is hard for people who are already invested in Vivec.

Maybe they should make the awards only enabled in Shor and the extra servers. Just leave Vivec to people who already are playing the score.

That's idiotic. So we just move pop to another server and keep *** lag? Viv lags with 2 bars now.

No fix the server

What's idiotic is keep going to Vivec e
When its unplayable and has a queue. Never had too much lag when any less than 2 factions pop locked. If youre getting it with 2 bars, you need to check your equipment

Ok so think about this, pop splits and Shor get 2 bars and viv 2 bars. Viv already lags with 2 bars so what happens with shor? Lag. Splitting the pop and reducing the pop cap is, idiotic, fix the damn lag

And with the 2 bar lag equipment check thing. I know alot of people who lag with 2 bars who has good comps and good internet.

Not sure how. Been in Shor or Vivec a couple times at the right moment where 3 bars across the board have been good size fights and little lag. It's been a sweet spot for me.

But say you're right. Point is it's really dumb to just go sit in a queue for Vivec just to lag and complain about it when you can get into other servers right away. Even if Shor is locked to with the event, they usually open a couple extras that are not going to be full. It's like if I had 2 McDonalds across the street from each other, everyone standing in line for one that's serving the same product as the other, then complaining about the wait and that its crowded

Jhalin

A mix of performance issues that will make it headache to start, and the fact that the past event required absolutely no changes in build from a PvPer to accomplish in a timely manner

The same cannot be said of PvEers that will be going to Cyro for this event. It requires gear adjustment to do well.

Heimpai

Jhalin wrote: »

A mix of performance issues that will make it headache to start, and the fact that the past event required absolutely no changes in build from a PvPer to accomplish in a timely manner

The same cannot be said of PvEers that will be going to Cyro for this event. It requires gear adjustment to do well.

True, partly..all you need to do is join a group..you won’t get kicked for not having 25k+ dps or because you’re new to tanking/healing

But if they’re going to stay solo then yes it will be rough and require changes to do decent

therift

Greystag wrote: »

I think that most of the people against the PvP event are PvP players. Half a year ago we had Midyear Mayhem and PvP became unplayable because of the insane lag. This is like when dungeon queues weren't working during the undaunted event; everyone got mad at ZOS.

This, exactly, in a nutshell, nailed it, rem acu tetigisti.

Urvoth

Rilis wrote: »

I think its not about it being a PvP event but more about the (very) poor server performance that makes Cyro already unplayble - even without any event going on atm...

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