DK Vs DK pvp

Stormshadowonesixty

I have a question

Which one would do better in duels BG's and Cyro all around?

A 7th legion and Fury Bloodspawn with DW and 2h? For brawler like playstyle
Or
A medium armor Hulking Draugr and Veiled inheritance with bow/ DW or 2h? for roll dodge and swift dps play

I wanna do DW for the extra dot of bleeds, but I also want the 2h for the execute

I'm getting tired of my tank and spank build and feel like I can do better
I take all suggestions also I just wanna get into using medium armor and a bow for pvp
Thank you for your time

NuarBlack

Kinda always wanted to try a poison bow dk build myself. Was thinking of running swamp raider, Morag Tong, and balorgh. Be a little glass cannon-ny I think and all the forum justice warriors would hate you cause it would use snipe but I think popping corrosion armor to proc balrog could make for some inpressive poison damage. Just haven't brought myself to do it yet since my stam dk is a red guard and fell like I'd be abandoning the key adrenalin rush racial going bow.

crusnik91

Stormshadowonesixty wrote: »

I have a question

Which one would do better in duels BG's and Cyro all around?

A 7th legion and Fury Bloodspawn with DW and 2h? For brawler like playstyle
Or
A medium armor Hulking Draugr and Veiled inheritance with bow/ DW or 2h? for roll dodge and swift dps play

I wanna do DW for the extra dot of bleeds, but I also want the 2h for the execute

I'm getting tired of my tank and spank build and feel like I can do better
I take all suggestions also I just wanna get into using medium armor and a bow for pvp
Thank you for your time

Never use hulking on a stamina DK unless if u have emperor. stamdk has excess to major and minor brutality so going high weapon damage with medium armor is the better option
As for the weapon choice. If u have excess to master dual wield weapons go for dw 2h even without them it would be pretty good as well. Bow 2h has however better mobility and in noncp u could use some cool backbar sheer venom sets on bow which is gonna be quite fun. So there is actually no winner or loser because both are viable

SkysOutThizeOut

Could do 2h dw. It’s what the dot dks are.

jaws343

If you are doing duels, you might find more success with Heritance/Ravager/Bloodspawn.

Seventh is good and Fury is good in open world or BGs, where incoming damage is coming from multiple players. Fury especially, since the multiple player damage is going to allow it to stack better.

But Heritance and Ravager proc off of your outgoing damage. So you are going to be able to output a ton of damage quickly. And being in Heavy with Bloodspawn, your damage mitigation is going to be pretty decent. And for the heal that Seventh gives, you could just run Cauterize.

Xvorg

NuarBlack wrote: »

Kinda always wanted to try a poison bow dk build myself. Was thinking of running swamp raider, Morag Tong, and balorgh. Be a little glass cannon-ny I think and all the forum justice warriors would hate you cause it would use snipe but I think popping corrosion armor to proc balrog could make for some inpressive poison damage. Just haven't brought myself to do it yet since my stam dk is a red guard and fell like I'd be abandoning the key adrenalin rush racial going bow.

Not worth. DK has no passive that increases poison dmg, just WiR and that one increases AoE poison dmg (4 skills in the whole game)

The same build on a NB is much better

Ragnarock41

best stamDK is weapon damage stamDk.

Xvorg

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

best stamDK is weapon damage stamDk.

yup, tanky tanky

Stormshadowonesixty

jaws343 wrote: »

If you are doing duels, you might find more success with Heritance/Ravager/Bloodspawn.

Seventh is good and Fury is good in open world or BGs, where incoming damage is coming from multiple players. Fury especially, since the multiple player damage is going to allow it to stack better.

But Heritance and Ravager proc off of your outgoing damage. So you are going to be able to output a ton of damage quickly. And being in Heavy with Bloodspawn, your damage mitigation is going to be pretty decent. And for the heal that Seventh gives, you could just run Cauterize.

So dueling its ravager and inheritance, and all around open world and BG's is 7th and fury?
Is that what you're saying?

Stormshadowonesixty

crusnik91 wrote: »

Stormshadowonesixty wrote: »

I have a question

Which one would do better in duels BG's and Cyro all around?

A 7th legion and Fury Bloodspawn with DW and 2h? For brawler like playstyle
Or
A medium armor Hulking Draugr and Veiled inheritance with bow/ DW or 2h? for roll dodge and swift dps play

I wanna do DW for the extra dot of bleeds, but I also want the 2h for the execute

I'm getting tired of my tank and spank build and feel like I can do better
I take all suggestions also I just wanna get into using medium armor and a bow for pvp
Thank you for your time

Never use hulking on a stamina DK unless if u have emperor. stamdk has excess to major and minor brutality so going high weapon damage with medium armor is the better option
As for the weapon choice. If u have excess to master dual wield weapons go for dw 2h even without them it would be pretty good as well. Bow 2h has however better mobility and in noncp u could use some cool backbar sheer venom sets on bow which is gonna be quite fun. So there is actually no winner or loser because both are viable

So maybe I should run Sheer venom and Viper? With my 2h and bow?
What should I use for my monster set?

Stormshadowonesixty

I'm trying to make my Stamdk versatile where I can play anything in any situation

I like my 7th fury and bloodspawn but I wanna switch it up to medium armor when I'm bored

Stormshadowonesixty

I wanna see the whole extent of this class just because I'm a HUGE fan of the Dragonknight

NuarBlack

Xvorg wrote: »

NuarBlack wrote: »

Kinda always wanted to try a poison bow dk build myself. Was thinking of running swamp raider, Morag Tong, and balorgh. Be a little glass cannon-ny I think and all the forum justice warriors would hate you cause it would use snipe but I think popping corrosion armor to proc balrog could make for some inpressive poison damage. Just haven't brought myself to do it yet since my stam dk is a red guard and fell like I'd be abandoning the key adrenalin rush racial going bow.

Not worth. DK has no passive that increases poison dmg, just WiR and that one increases AoE poison dmg (4 skills in the whole game)

The same build on a NB is much better

I'm thinking primarily for BGs as I know it works on NB, I have a bowblade that runs it just with Kenna instead of Balorgh. DK do get major sustain buffs to poison abilities and stamina return on proccing poison status. Most everything is better on NB but mine is often stamina starved in BGs and hard countered by DKs. Better sustain would allow arrow spray to be used more and vigor and resolve/FM. Not saying it would be BiS or meta just possibly a viable alternative the OP was looking for.

Stormshadowonesixty

NuarBlack wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

NuarBlack wrote: »

Kinda always wanted to try a poison bow dk build myself. Was thinking of running swamp raider, Morag Tong, and balorgh. Be a little glass cannon-ny I think and all the forum justice warriors would hate you cause it would use snipe but I think popping corrosion armor to proc balrog could make for some inpressive poison damage. Just haven't brought myself to do it yet since my stam dk is a red guard and fell like I'd be abandoning the key adrenalin rush racial going bow.

Not worth. DK has no passive that increases poison dmg, just WiR and that one increases AoE poison dmg (4 skills in the whole game)

The same build on a NB is much better

I'm thinking primarily for BGs as I know it works on NB, I have a bowblade that runs it just with Kenna instead of Balorgh. DK do get major sustain buffs to poison abilities and stamina return on proccing poison status. Most everything is better on NB but mine is often stamina starved in BGs and hard countered by DKs. Better sustain would allow arrow spray to be used more and vigor and resolve/FM. Not saying it would be BiS or meta just possibly a viable alternative the OP was looking for.

So I should run kena and get a fat burst when I need to finish my enemy?

Ragnarock41

NuarBlack wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

NuarBlack wrote: »

Kinda always wanted to try a poison bow dk build myself. Was thinking of running swamp raider, Morag Tong, and balorgh. Be a little glass cannon-ny I think and all the forum justice warriors would hate you cause it would use snipe but I think popping corrosion armor to proc balrog could make for some inpressive poison damage. Just haven't brought myself to do it yet since my stam dk is a red guard and fell like I'd be abandoning the key adrenalin rush racial going bow.

Not worth. DK has no passive that increases poison dmg, just WiR and that one increases AoE poison dmg (4 skills in the whole game)

The same build on a NB is much better

I'm thinking primarily for BGs as I know it works on NB, I have a bowblade that runs it just with Kenna instead of Balorgh. DK do get major sustain buffs to poison abilities and stamina return on proccing poison status. Most everything is better on NB but mine is often stamina starved in BGs and hard countered by DKs. Better sustain would allow arrow spray to be used more and vigor and resolve/FM. Not saying it would be BiS or meta just possibly a viable alternative the OP was looking for.

Still not worth.(seriously though, don't wear kena on a Dk) Medium Dk can work, I play it myself, but it only works in group v group play where you're protected by a healer, and you have teammates that actually protect you from the ''big baddies'' by distracting them, while you do the real damage. While you're by yourself with a bow and medium armor, and without even a defensive set like blood spawn/troll king, you will be EATEN ALIVE by any other half decent PvP build. Wardens will ignore your bow, DKs will ignore your bow, you have no escapes, you have no tankyness, its gonna suck.

Though if you're serious on medium armor, run master dual wield and a 2 hander, have a dedicated healer providing cleanse,guard and SPC to you, and you'll be doing monstrously high damage. In the end, nothing you couldn't do by playing a nightblade or warden. In all honesty any class with 2h/dual wield will work in a group v group, Dk is the most ''meh'' because its naturally a tank class, not meant for doing damage, doesn't have the tools for doing damage. Best thing you could do would be popping corrosive armor to boost your steel tornado hits, which is actually very decent.

heavier

dk

Stormshadowonesixty

Thank you guys for your support

I am planning on getting the master Dw and The Merciless charge with my sheer venom and Vipers set all transmutes weapon damage Jewelry

@heavier
@Ragnarock41
@NuarBlack
@Xvorg
Any thoughts on this idea? I'm trying to make the ultimate dotDK
Single target
Something that would burn problematic light armor and medium armor players within seconds.

NuarBlack

Stormshadowonesixty wrote: »

NuarBlack wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

NuarBlack wrote: »

Kinda always wanted to try a poison bow dk build myself. Was thinking of running swamp raider, Morag Tong, and balorgh. Be a little glass cannon-ny I think and all the forum justice warriors would hate you cause it would use snipe but I think popping corrosion armor to proc balrog could make for some inpressive poison damage. Just haven't brought myself to do it yet since my stam dk is a red guard and fell like I'd be abandoning the key adrenalin rush racial going bow.

Not worth. DK has no passive that increases poison dmg, just WiR and that one increases AoE poison dmg (4 skills in the whole game)

The same build on a NB is much better

I'm thinking primarily for BGs as I know it works on NB, I have a bowblade that runs it just with Kenna instead of Balorgh. DK do get major sustain buffs to poison abilities and stamina return on proccing poison status. Most everything is better on NB but mine is often stamina starved in BGs and hard countered by DKs. Better sustain would allow arrow spray to be used more and vigor and resolve/FM. Not saying it would be BiS or meta just possibly a viable alternative the OP was looking for.

So I should run kena and get a fat burst when I need to finish my enemy?

No, works for NB not recommended on DK that's why I theorized swapping it for Balorgh as it would proc with corrosive armor use. Kenna is a big resource drain. You can get away with it on a NB cause you kill someone then slip away and let your resources come back. But if @Ragnarock41 has actually tried it I would defer to that actual evidence not just the theory crafting. I just don't crutch on cloak on my NB so I think I could make it work on a dk. It's not optimal regardless as DKs and Wardens are tough since they have solid counters. You have to learn to light attack away wings and shimmering shield then land DS then your burst.

But yeah a melee build is going to be better in more situations and running DK without bloodspawn or TK is giving up a lot. Outside that DK can get a lot of use out of DW Torug's with a poison enchant as well in no CP.

Stormshadowonesixty

NuarBlack wrote: »

Stormshadowonesixty wrote: »

NuarBlack wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

NuarBlack wrote: »

Kinda always wanted to try a poison bow dk build myself. Was thinking of running swamp raider, Morag Tong, and balorgh. Be a little glass cannon-ny I think and all the forum justice warriors would hate you cause it would use snipe but I think popping corrosion armor to proc balrog could make for some inpressive poison damage. Just haven't brought myself to do it yet since my stam dk is a red guard and fell like I'd be abandoning the key adrenalin rush racial going bow.

Not worth. DK has no passive that increases poison dmg, just WiR and that one increases AoE poison dmg (4 skills in the whole game)

The same build on a NB is much better

I'm thinking primarily for BGs as I know it works on NB, I have a bowblade that runs it just with Kenna instead of Balorgh. DK do get major sustain buffs to poison abilities and stamina return on proccing poison status. Most everything is better on NB but mine is often stamina starved in BGs and hard countered by DKs. Better sustain would allow arrow spray to be used more and vigor and resolve/FM. Not saying it would be BiS or meta just possibly a viable alternative the OP was looking for.

So I should run kena and get a fat burst when I need to finish my enemy?

No, works for NB not recommended on DK that's why I theorized swapping it for Balorgh as it would proc with corrosive armor use. Kenna is a big resource drain. You can get away with it on a NB cause you kill someone then slip away and let your resources come back. But if @Ragnarock41 has actually tried it I would defer to that actual evidence not just the theory crafting. I just don't crutch on cloak on my NB so I think I could make it work on a dk. It's not optimal regardless as DKs and Wardens are tough since they have solid counters. You have to learn to light attack away wings and shimmering shield then land DS then your burst.

But yeah a melee build is going to be better in more situations and running DK without bloodspawn or TK is giving up a lot. Outside that DK can get a lot of use out of DW Torug's with a poison enchant as well in no CP.

Everybody has been talking about torugs and I just wanna know how beneficial it actually is

Seenoevil

Argonian dk

5 pcs VO jewellery and 2 daggers
Double dot poisons
5 pcs viper on body
Defending VO 2h sword
Valkyn Skoria monster helm

Front bar bloodthirst/blood craze/claw/fossilize/expert hunter

Take the healing morphs of flurry and rending so even when being offensive them little heals can help you keep the pressure up.

Back bar rally/vigor/obisidan/coag/spikes

VO might be a pve set but most people forget about the additional weapon dmg bonus for the 5 pcs so on a pvp side of things the set from a pvp front looks like

Weapon crit
Weapon crit
Weapon damage
8%cost reduction 2.5k stam return on kill major exp for 8 secs after a kill (more then enough time to pop wings heal and relocate if your outnumbered

Lil squishy being in medium armour but you run so much self healing staying in the fight isn't a problem.