Winterborn almost not proc in bgs?

teladoy

I have the feeling is almost never working. I tried today to pay attention if I see when it procs but is not doing like in the description and I can say that because I was using a lot of areas in a lot of players together and it only proc once in all what it took the fight...

I don't understand, does this set has cooldown? Because is incredible how sloads procs all the time without problems and this set not.

Taleof2Cities

It's best to check combat log, FTC, or whatever you're using to monitor outgoing damage ... as the proc animation can be absent in large busy fights in my experience.

Waffennacht

Incredibly easy to miss it's animation.

Losing artic blast as source of damage hurt a lot though.

Jameliel

Procs all the time for me. Use blockade. If your ice staves are infused with frost enchants, more chances to proc as well. Ice heart monster mask for more procs:D

thoughtseize

When I saw it say "pillar" in the description I was expecting something large, but it's small tbh. It actually even blends right in with winter's revenge. For me it procs an insane amount of times but it's really hard to see until you're tested it out just to see the animation.

teladoy

I can only say that my average damage as warden icemage was about 400 - 500k in a normal game and I could reach the 700k or 1m in a very very good game. Yesterday with sloads I was doing normally 700k and in one game I did 1,3m.

I believe with sloads I can spread more cancer to everyone but maybe with winterborn I was doing more noticeable single damage.

The thing is sloads can be purgeable and I notice it when the enemy team has a templar healer.

Anyways I will see if I find some add-on that shows me in the end the damage I did and with which skills.

ESO_Nightingale

Waffennacht wrote: »

Incredibly easy to miss it's animation.

Losing artic blast as source of damage hurt a lot though.

We are working to get this back. Class Reps i notified know about current problems and solutions.

for OP, i usually only notice the sound it makes. its a distinct sharp-sounding noise when its actual animation blends in with my Winter's Revenge.

Anyone here who wants to talk about Frost in any form, balance(problems), looks, general discussion, bugs, sets to use, etc. in more detail can find help/conversation in the Unofficial ESO Frost Discord. the link to the discord is in my signature just below.

DivineFirstYOLO

@teladoy you are a smart person, you compare numbers and probably also proc rates. Most people here are sheep without their own opinion, they copy others. Winterborn is a really underperforming set since there are not enough reliable ways of proccing it. I always have to laugh when people suggest "use blockade and infused frost glyph" - you get a 8% chance every second from blockade as long as people actually stand inside of it. That's underwhelming. What are you gonna do when people escape the AOE? Spamm blockade every second? Good luck against skilled players.

Iceheart - lmao - has a 5m range, useless.

Proc sets like winterborn and sloads become strong when there are enough DoTs you can stack. As long as there are no single target or moving frost DoTs (like old arctic blast) in this game, winterborn will be a bad set to use.

ESO_Nightingale

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

@teladoy you are a smart person, you compare numbers and probably also proc rates. Most people here are sheep without their own opinion, they copy others. Winterborn is a really underperforming set since there are not enough reliable ways of proccing it. I always have to laugh when people suggest "use blockade and infused frost glyph" - you get a 8% chance every second from blockade as long as people actually stand inside of it. That's underwhelming. What are you gonna do when people escape the AOE? Spamm blockade every second? Good luck against skilled players.

Iceheart - lmao - has a 5m range, useless.

Proc sets like winterborn and sloads become strong when there are enough DoTs you can stack. As long as there are no single target or moving frost DoTs (like old arctic blast) in this game, winterborn will be a bad set to use.

you sound like you would be welcomed on the Frost Discord. we have multiple ice DPS skill rework ideas. this is the same concept that hurts Ysgramor's Birthright. we don't have enough ways to get use out of Ysgramor's Birthright. you have only a few viable skills that you can use with it. this also counts for Winterborn.

Most Viable:

Force Pulse: is kind of boosted by it. it only does the 5 piece bonus effect on the ice damage within the skill. not the fire, shock or magic. good spammable though.

AoE's: Winter's Revenge and Frost Blockade. Sleet Storm Ulti and morphs. maybe Icy Rage if you want to use that. Ice Comet is pretty decent too but most people use Shooting Star instead for ulti gen.

Least viable:

Frost Touch: and morphs are expensive and only have a soft cc with no other effects. shock clench and flame clench have unique effects and hard ccs.

Impulse: and morphs aren't amazing. ring works mostly only in pve for trash mobs.

Crystallised Slab: benefits don't outway benefits of other morph. damage is very low for other morph's MAJOR heroism. and it's only reactive.

Arctic Blast: was gutted, no longer does any more damage.

Frozen Gate: and morphs, you don't use this on a DPS character. frozen retreat is pretty ineffective in pvp because its synergy range isn't buffed to other skills range, its a trap that arms slower than people run over it and its main purpose is not to deal damage.

other ways to do damage are via enchants, frost staff, and winterborn(is the thing we are trying to proc because of op's post.)/iceheart.

teladoy

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

@teladoy you are a smart person, you compare numbers and probably also proc rates. Most people here are sheep without their own opinion, they copy others. Winterborn is a really underperforming set since there are not enough reliable ways of proccing it. I always have to laugh when people suggest "use blockade and infused frost glyph" - you get a 8% chance every second from blockade as long as people actually stand inside of it. That's underwhelming. What are you gonna do when people escape the AOE? Spamm blockade every second? Good luck against skilled players.

Iceheart - lmao - has a 5m range, useless.

Proc sets like winterborn and sloads become strong when there are enough DoTs you can stack. As long as there are no single target or moving frost DoTs (like old arctic blast) in this game, winterborn will be a bad set to use.

I think 8% is the same as Skoria but at least I can see Skoria proc, this set not. Wardens have a lot of aoes that are very powerful because the snare.

Iceheart I've tried it but I didn't like it, I prefer a lot more infernal guardian. I love to see how they are all snare and can't move while they are hit by the 3 lava burst. Without counting when I have to go in defensive mode and meanwhile still fighting back as I have to defend.

I have to check it because maybe is a visual bug.

ESO_Nightingale

teladoy wrote: »

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

@teladoy you are a smart person, you compare numbers and probably also proc rates. Most people here are sheep without their own opinion, they copy others. Winterborn is a really underperforming set since there are not enough reliable ways of proccing it. I always have to laugh when people suggest "use blockade and infused frost glyph" - you get a 8% chance every second from blockade as long as people actually stand inside of it. That's underwhelming. What are you gonna do when people escape the AOE? Spamm blockade every second? Good luck against skilled players.

Iceheart - lmao - has a 5m range, useless.

Proc sets like winterborn and sloads become strong when there are enough DoTs you can stack. As long as there are no single target or moving frost DoTs (like old arctic blast) in this game, winterborn will be a bad set to use.

I think 8% is the same as Skoria but at least I can see Skoria proc, this set not. Wardens have a lot of aoes that are very powerful because the snare.

Iceheart I've tried it but I didn't like it, I prefer a lot more infernal guardian. I love to see how they are all snare and can't move while they are hit by the 3 lava burst. Without counting when I have to go in defensive mode and meanwhile still fighting back as I have to defend.

I have to check it because maybe is a visual bug.

yeah its the same as skoria. 8%.

kylewwefan

Winterborn procs like crazy. I do a lot of damage in battlegrounds, but I don’t get a lot of kills. Warden really needs an execute to push it over the edge. That might make it a bit OP though.

ESO_Nightingale

kylewwefan wrote: »

Winterborn procs like crazy. I do a lot of damage in battlegrounds, but I don’t get a lot of kills. Warden really needs an execute to push it over the edge. That might make it a bit OP though.

we had an idea to rework crystallised slab to a proc skill called crystallised swords. this skill would work by generating an ice sword(up to 3) every time you proc/re proc chilled(cooldown of 3 seconds) and any time after you generate a sword you can use the skill to fire a barrage of the swords. The first sword would deal a small amount around 200 base frost damage. second would deal slightly more. about 100 more. and the final sword would deal about 70 more than that but gain execute scaling. that would deal up to 150% more damage to targets below 50% health. it would be a skill that builds up and would be fun to use. we liked the skill idea. its comparable to nightblade's grim focus.

at non execute scaling the barrage will do around 970 base frost damage

at maximum scaling (enemy is like 1% health) the barrage will do around 1585 base frost damage (for reference, deep fissure does 1276 Magic Damage at a base level and it's known as a big burst skill on multiple targets).

since this skill builds up by proccing chilled with a cooldown of 3 seconds per sword, it means that the skill might even be under-powered. it should be worth noting that activating the barrage should have less cost than activating the base skill, like other proc skills.

we decided that attaching a group-wide minor courage (a small boost of 86 weapon and spell damage to receivers) to the skill when you first activate it would be a really good way to make magdens wanted a group and it would separate them a bit from stamden.

Savos_Saren

I wish they would bring back Arctic Blast. I hate the new change. Winterborn could use a small damage increase (not as high as Caluurion- since there is no cool down).

Also- since people are blowing up the forums about immobilizaton and snare nerfs- I hope they realize that MagDens and mDKs should get a damage increase (or execute) to compensate.

ESO_Nightingale

Savos_Saren wrote: »

I wish they would bring back Arctic Blast. I hate the new change. Winterborn could use a small damage increase (not as high as Caluurion- since there is no cool down).

Also- since people are blowing up the forums about immobilizaton and snare nerfs- I hope they realize that MagDens and mDKs should get a damage increase (or execute) to compensate.

absolutely. i think snares are a problem for sure. so a damage increase to compensate would be helpful. in magden's case. more synergy with ice would be amazing. no, NEEDED.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Winterborn procs like crazy but the semi transparent looks make it hard to see. It's easier to see it proc on dark places like cave delves where its white-ish transparent looks have a high contrast with the dark background

olesmo

the artic blast change *** up my iceden for pvp. it was so nice to have an aoe that chilled ppl around u all the time. just drop a frost wall to snare alot of ppl as u popped perma and deep fissure

Caligamy_ESO

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

@teladoy you are a smart person, you compare numbers and probably also proc rates. Most people here are sheep without their own opinion, they copy others. Winterborn is a really underperforming set since there are not enough reliable ways of proccing it. I always have to laugh when people suggest "use blockade and infused frost glyph" - you get a 8% chance every second from blockade as long as people actually stand inside of it. That's underwhelming. What are you gonna do when people escape the AOE? Spamm blockade every second? Good luck against skilled players.

Iceheart - lmao - has a 5m range, useless.

Proc sets like winterborn and sloads become strong when there are enough DoTs you can stack. As long as there are no single target or moving frost DoTs (like old arctic blast) in this game, winterborn will be a bad set to use.

I think 8% is the same as Skoria but at least I can see Skoria proc, this set not. Wardens have a lot of aoes that are very powerful because the snare.

Iceheart I've tried it but I didn't like it, I prefer a lot more infernal guardian. I love to see how they are all snare and can't move while they are hit by the 3 lava burst. Without counting when I have to go in defensive mode and meanwhile still fighting back as I have to defend.

I have to check it because maybe is a visual bug.

yeah its the same as skoria. 8%.

It was my understanding when testing this set (when Warden originally came out) that it doesn't proc on consecutive DoT ticks but only the first initial hit of ice damage. Which made it suck. Did it change or is that still how it is performing?

Waffennacht

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

@teladoy you are a smart person, you compare numbers and probably also proc rates. Most people here are sheep without their own opinion, they copy others. Winterborn is a really underperforming set since there are not enough reliable ways of proccing it. I always have to laugh when people suggest "use blockade and infused frost glyph" - you get a 8% chance every second from blockade as long as people actually stand inside of it. That's underwhelming. What are you gonna do when people escape the AOE? Spamm blockade every second? Good luck against skilled players.

Iceheart - lmao - has a 5m range, useless.

Proc sets like winterborn and sloads become strong when there are enough DoTs you can stack. As long as there are no single target or moving frost DoTs (like old arctic blast) in this game, winterborn will be a bad set to use.

I think 8% is the same as Skoria but at least I can see Skoria proc, this set not. Wardens have a lot of aoes that are very powerful because the snare.

Iceheart I've tried it but I didn't like it, I prefer a lot more infernal guardian. I love to see how they are all snare and can't move while they are hit by the 3 lava burst. Without counting when I have to go in defensive mode and meanwhile still fighting back as I have to defend.

I have to check it because maybe is a visual bug.

yeah its the same as skoria. 8%.

It was my understanding when testing this set (when Warden originally came out) that it doesn't proc on consecutive DoT ticks but only the first initial hit of ice damage. Which made it suck. Did it change or is that still how it is performing?

The last time I used it, I guarantee you it would proc on dot damage