About Tamriel Crown Exchange

What_In_Tarnation

TheThird wrote: »

What_In_Tarnation wrote: »

The only problem about TCE to me is they're trying so hard to push their own exchange rate to others.
And we all know these hassles can be solved by ZOS. Current gifting system is just purely ***.

We are grateful and receptive for any kind of constructive criticisms, since TCE exists for the community, and not the other way around. In no way do we want to, or actively try, to "push" our exchange rate anywhere, rest assured. I've never heard or seen of anything even remotely that, so I'd be very interested in seeing or hearing about examples. Feel free to send me a direct message :-)

As for the gifting system being upgraded by ZOS, I am certain they are working on improvements continously.

Thing is the only times I saw someone try to sell/buy crowns which is below you guys' g2c exchange rate, then some of your TCE members will jump out and told him the current exchange rate is 225. Why? because TCE said so. Shush. Give me a break. At least I haven't seen the others group jump out and telling people what exact crown rate they should sell/buy for in game yet.

I know, make a standard bar in your own discord group which is great and easy management for sure, but don't really need to push it in game. Next time if I see similar thing happened in game, I'll make sure take a screenshots and send to you.

Linaleah

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

Solda

What_In_Tarnation wrote: »

TheThird wrote: »

What_In_Tarnation wrote: »

The only problem about TCE to me is they're trying so hard to push their own exchange rate to others.
And we all know these hassles can be solved by ZOS. Current gifting system is just purely ***.

We are grateful and receptive for any kind of constructive criticisms, since TCE exists for the community, and not the other way around. In no way do we want to, or actively try, to "push" our exchange rate anywhere, rest assured. I've never heard or seen of anything even remotely that, so I'd be very interested in seeing or hearing about examples. Feel free to send me a direct message :-)

As for the gifting system being upgraded by ZOS, I am certain they are working on improvements continously.

Thing is the only times I saw someone try to sell/buy crowns which is below you guys' g2c exchange rate, then some of your TCE members will jump out and told him the current exchange rate is 225. Why? because TCE said so. Shush. Give me a break. At least I haven't seen the others group jump out and telling people what exact crown rate they should sell/buy for in game yet.

I know, make a standard bar in your own discord group which is great and easy management for sure, but don't really need to push it in game. Next time if I see similar thing happened in game, I'll make sure take a screenshots and send to you.

It happens in Craglorn zone chat. Not always but I have seen it a few times myself. A random seller will tell in zone chat how he/she is selling his/her crowns for an XXX amount of gold and out of nowhere some people, who are part of TCE, will come out and say that the current exchange rate is 400 gold in TCE(last time that I saw it). I personally think 400 gold is an absurd amount per crown but if that's the exchange rate in the Discord server then be it, but please don't "push it in game".


Also @What_In_Tarnation, if you want to find better deals, what I would suggest is asking a friend or asking in guild chat if somebody sells crowns, you are bound to find a better deal there and less risk to getting scammed. If you don't have any friends who play the game or guild members who sell them, then you can still ask in chat and still find better deals than in TCE. Just remember to take a screenshot and send it to ZoS if any kind of scam happens.

Thicclady

Linaleah wrote: »

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

You obviously have no idea what you talking about. Thousands of people in world literally grind gold for a living on different means and selling them on various games. Diffference here is, TCE doesnt have to even spend time grinding, it just pours on them.

What I said here is not conspiracy theories, I am sorry if you are too naive to get these points how it is possible to monetize very easily gold or other ingame currency, in most multiplayer games. It is a massive BUSINESS and if you not living in home and provided by your parents, I am sure most people would take tens or hundreds of bucks extra income per month especially if they need to put hour/day time to it.

>no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game
Like people who did bought gold would actually admit it...doh. Anyway gold buying is not my point, just commenting cause you decided to mention that.

Again disclaimer : I am not accusing anyone particular of any wrongdoings, I am just talking about relations of MMO currencies to real world, and that infact system can be abused. Thats why I also are all for Zenimax making easy system to gift/receive gold from it.

Btw, if I would run TCE, I would post my book keeping statistics from trades made, as in how much bought/sold and profits.

BTW, Gina Bruno is VIP rank in TCE, her comments would be also appreciated as always.

Jhalin

TCE is fine. Tin foil hat theories are annoying

Can we all move on

That theory is a mess for so many reasons, but the biggest one, IF they sold crowns to make gold to sell for real money, THEY WOULD LOSE MONEY

That makes no sense in any world

redspecter23

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

You obviously have no idea what you talking about. Thousands of people in world literally grind gold for a living on different means and selling them on various games. Diffference here is, TCE doesnt have to even spend time grinding, it just pours on them.

What I said here is not conspiracy theories, I am sorry if you are too naive to get these points how it is possible to monetize very easily gold or other ingame currency, in most multiplayer games. It is a massive BUSINESS and if you not living in home and provided by your parents, I am sure most people would take tens or hundreds of bucks extra income per month especially if they need to put hour/day time to it.

>no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game
Like people who did bought gold would actually admit it...doh. Anyway gold buying is not my point, just commenting cause you decided to mention that.

Again disclaimer : I am not accusing anyone particular of any wrongdoings, I am just talking about relations of MMO currencies to real world, and that infact system can be abused. Thats why I also are all for Zenimax making easy system to gift/receive gold from it.

Btw, if I would run TCE, I would post my book keeping statistics from trades made, as in how much bought/sold and profits.

BTW, Gina Bruno is VIP rank in TCE, her comments would be also appreciated as always.

As mentioned before, if anyone is selling their gold for real world money, that has NOTHING to do with TCE. TCE can assist players in earning gold. Turning that gold into real life money requires a different separate transaction. A 3rd party site most likely. If you have an issue with players turning gold into real world money, please focus on that transaction instead of throwing shade at TCE which deals exclusively in crown gifts for gold. There is no real money transfer at all that is endorsed or authorized by TCE.

zaria

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

You obviously have no idea what you talking about. Thousands of people in world literally grind gold for a living on different means and selling them on various games. Diffference here is, TCE doesnt have to even spend time grinding, it just pours on them.

What I said here is not conspiracy theories, I am sorry if you are too naive to get these points how it is possible to monetize very easily gold or other ingame currency, in most multiplayer games. It is a massive BUSINESS and if you not living in home and provided by your parents, I am sure most people would take tens or hundreds of bucks extra income per month especially if they need to put hour/day time to it.

>no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game
Like people who did bought gold would actually admit it...doh. Anyway gold buying is not my point, just commenting cause you decided to mention that.

Again disclaimer : I am not accusing anyone particular of any wrongdoings, I am just talking about relations of MMO currencies to real world, and that infact system can be abused. Thats why I also are all for Zenimax making easy system to gift/receive gold from it.

Btw, if I would run TCE, I would post my book keeping statistics from trades made, as in how much bought/sold and profits.

BTW, Gina Bruno is VIP rank in TCE, her comments would be also appreciated as always.

You can farm gold to make money but you need to sell it on 3rd part sites to convert it into money.

Converting it to crown don't help you, yes you could sell crown store items for money on 3rd part sites but it would be an extra layer and one Zos would be more aggressive against. Better to have buyers buy gold and then buy crowns.

Now you could use dummy account and stolen credit cards to buy crowns to sell for gold and then sell gold for money.
This might be relevant some places there your goal is to get $ / € not the national monopoly money.

And yes letting you buy crowns both reduce the relevance of gold sellers even if they are cheaper and stabilize the game gold currency as any mmo has the risk of hyperinflation.

Linaleah

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

You obviously have no idea what you talking about. Thousands of people in world literally grind gold for a living on different means and selling them on various games. Diffference here is, TCE doesnt have to even spend time grinding, it just pours on them.

What I said here is not conspiracy theories, I am sorry if you are too naive to get these points how it is possible to monetize very easily gold or other ingame currency, in most multiplayer games. It is a massive BUSINESS and if you not living in home and provided by your parents, I am sure most people would take tens or hundreds of bucks extra income per month especially if they need to put hour/day time to it.

>no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game
Like people who did bought gold would actually admit it...doh. Anyway gold buying is not my point, just commenting cause you decided to mention that.

Again disclaimer : I am not accusing anyone particular of any wrongdoings, I am just talking about relations of MMO currencies to real world, and that infact system can be abused. Thats why I also are all for Zenimax making easy system to gift/receive gold from it.

Btw, if I would run TCE, I would post my book keeping statistics from trades made, as in how much bought/sold and profits.

BTW, Gina Bruno is VIP rank in TCE, her comments would be also appreciated as always.

no YOu have no idea what you are talking about. people who grind gold to sell are NOT doing it buy spendng RL money to buy in game currency to sell in game gold, UNLESS THEY ARE DEFRAUDING CREDIT CARD COMPANIES. otherwise they LOSE MONEY ON TRANSACTIONS. you are saying that they sell crowns for gold to turn around and sell that gold for real life money yes? except... CROWNS COST REAL MONEY. so best case scenario... they break even. not to mention THIS IS COMPLETELY AGAINST TOS AND A BANNABLE OFFENSE.

the whole point about grinding for gold to resell is that people do it VIA AUTOMATED BOTS without any additional monetary investment. at least that way, if their account got banned, the investment they lost is minimal and counterbalanced by profits they made. what you are proposing is the opposite of profitable.

Mancombe_Nosehair

It's like trying to teach an elephant how to knit...

Gnozo

Thicclady wrote: »

Apparantly ZoS approves Tamriel Crown Exchange Discord server, where crowns are being sold openly so that owners of the Discord (trading guild GM:s and lot of other staff) gets a big cut.

Lets say thats all fine, but how is it tolerated that they keep black list of people who are trying to sell crowns outside their "safe platform" even if they not scammers? These people are also automatically banned from server if selling outside their very profitable system (they have army of people reporting those people who are actually selling completely legitly crowns).

So basically they are trying to do monopoly of selling crowns in ESO, I do not understand how this can be approved by ZoS.

Crowns are real world money also and infact the insane amounts of gold moving here is possible to monetize also in real life. That may or may not happen, but in any case they are the richest people in game gold wise and irony is that staff there is actually buying themselves crown items from gold they get from taxing the sales of crown items. Basically they invented perpetual gold machine.For themselves that is.

It is against ToS to take money from addon development for example, but apparantly it is not from taxing crown selling?

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Tbh what is your problem here?

They blacklist ppl who have contacted buyers on their Discord/guild cause they are not approved sellers. Thats the rule of their discord/guild. Do something against their rules and they will take actions against it. They wont blacklist you if you sell crowns via zone chat. Only if you scam or contact buyers on their discord without permission.

Now to the taxing. They offer a Service where they put a lot of time and work into to give players a save way to sell/buy crowns. They dont get paid from anyone for this service.

If you want to buy crowns a broker and seller will contact you. Broker takes your gold, seller gift you, broker gives seller money when you reported that the gifting was succesfully and a smal percentage is given to the broker cause he helped with the the save deal and actually spend his time to make sure everything goes fine.

If you dont like this, buy from someone in zone Chat but risk to get scammed.

Thicclady

zaria wrote: »

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

You obviously have no idea what you talking about. Thousands of people in world literally grind gold for a living on different means and selling them on various games. Diffference here is, TCE doesnt have to even spend time grinding, it just pours on them.

What I said here is not conspiracy theories, I am sorry if you are too naive to get these points how it is possible to monetize very easily gold or other ingame currency, in most multiplayer games. It is a massive BUSINESS and if you not living in home and provided by your parents, I am sure most people would take tens or hundreds of bucks extra income per month especially if they need to put hour/day time to it.

>no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game
Like people who did bought gold would actually admit it...doh. Anyway gold buying is not my point, just commenting cause you decided to mention that.

Again disclaimer : I am not accusing anyone particular of any wrongdoings, I am just talking about relations of MMO currencies to real world, and that infact system can be abused. Thats why I also are all for Zenimax making easy system to gift/receive gold from it.

Btw, if I would run TCE, I would post my book keeping statistics from trades made, as in how much bought/sold and profits.

BTW, Gina Bruno is VIP rank in TCE, her comments would be also appreciated as always.

You can farm gold to make money but you need to sell it on 3rd part sites to convert it into money.

Converting it to crown don't help you, yes you could sell crown store items for money on 3rd part sites but it would be an extra layer and one Zos would be more aggressive against. Better to have buyers buy gold and then buy crowns.

Now you could use dummy account and stolen credit cards to buy crowns to sell for gold and then sell gold for money.
This might be relevant some places there your goal is to get $ / € not the national monopoly money.

And yes letting you buy crowns both reduce the relevance of gold sellers even if they are cheaper and stabilize the game gold currency as any mmo has the risk of hyperinflation.

Linaleah wrote: »

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

You obviously have no idea what you talking about. Thousands of people in world literally grind gold for a living on different means and selling them on various games. Diffference here is, TCE doesnt have to even spend time grinding, it just pours on them.

What I said here is not conspiracy theories, I am sorry if you are too naive to get these points how it is possible to monetize very easily gold or other ingame currency, in most multiplayer games. It is a massive BUSINESS and if you not living in home and provided by your parents, I am sure most people would take tens or hundreds of bucks extra income per month especially if they need to put hour/day time to it.

>no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game
Like people who did bought gold would actually admit it...doh. Anyway gold buying is not my point, just commenting cause you decided to mention that.

Again disclaimer : I am not accusing anyone particular of any wrongdoings, I am just talking about relations of MMO currencies to real world, and that infact system can be abused. Thats why I also are all for Zenimax making easy system to gift/receive gold from it.

Btw, if I would run TCE, I would post my book keeping statistics from trades made, as in how much bought/sold and profits.

BTW, Gina Bruno is VIP rank in TCE, her comments would be also appreciated as always.

no YOu have no idea what you are talking about. people who grind gold to sell are NOT doing it buy spendng RL money to buy in game currency to sell in game gold, UNLESS THEY ARE DEFRAUDING CREDIT CARD COMPANIES. otherwise they LOSE MONEY ON TRANSACTIONS. you are saying that they sell crowns for gold to turn around and sell that gold for real life money yes? except... CROWNS COST REAL MONEY. so best case scenario... they break even. not to mention THIS IS COMPLETELY AGAINST TOS AND A BANNABLE OFFENSE.

the whole point about grinding for gold to resell is that people do it VIA AUTOMATED BOTS without any additional monetary investment. at least that way, if their account got banned, the investment they lost is minimal and counterbalanced by profits they made. what you are proposing is the opposite of profitable.

I am sorry you dont understand, I try to walk you throught this with very simple examples:

This is possible to do in ESO as of now, I am not accusing anyone of doing it though, but it is completely possible and easy:

>Mr.Blue buys crowns with real life money, or gets them with ESO subscription (ESO Subscription costs real life money)
>Mr. Blue sells crowns for gold in some broker service , lets say Mr.Blue sell 1000 crowns for 400k gold.
>Mr.Green brokers the gold and takes 10% cut of that gold, in this case their cut will be 40 000gold. (400 000G*0.10 = 40 000G)
>Mr.Green sells 40 000 gold in internet website to some buyer for real life money
>Mr.Green can also use the 40 000 gold for buying himself crowns, that means he gets the crowns (at this point it is established crowns are accumulated with real life money) completely free.
>Mr. Yellow buys the gold from internet website, with credit card, paypal or many other means. This does not include credit card fraud of any kind, it is completely legal transaction.
>Mr. Green Trades gold ingame to Mr.Yellow, if Mr.Green is reasonable intelligent, he before transfers the gold to dummy account so if that account get banned, it do not matter.
>Yes there is possibility he gets banned, but he did not work or pay to get that gold in the first place so it don't matter at all.

Now please read that step by step, multiple times if needed.

Gnozo

Thicclady wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

You obviously have no idea what you talking about. Thousands of people in world literally grind gold for a living on different means and selling them on various games. Diffference here is, TCE doesnt have to even spend time grinding, it just pours on them.

What I said here is not conspiracy theories, I am sorry if you are too naive to get these points how it is possible to monetize very easily gold or other ingame currency, in most multiplayer games. It is a massive BUSINESS and if you not living in home and provided by your parents, I am sure most people would take tens or hundreds of bucks extra income per month especially if they need to put hour/day time to it.

>no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game
Like people who did bought gold would actually admit it...doh. Anyway gold buying is not my point, just commenting cause you decided to mention that.

Again disclaimer : I am not accusing anyone particular of any wrongdoings, I am just talking about relations of MMO currencies to real world, and that infact system can be abused. Thats why I also are all for Zenimax making easy system to gift/receive gold from it.

Btw, if I would run TCE, I would post my book keeping statistics from trades made, as in how much bought/sold and profits.

BTW, Gina Bruno is VIP rank in TCE, her comments would be also appreciated as always.

You can farm gold to make money but you need to sell it on 3rd part sites to convert it into money.

Converting it to crown don't help you, yes you could sell crown store items for money on 3rd part sites but it would be an extra layer and one Zos would be more aggressive against. Better to have buyers buy gold and then buy crowns.

Now you could use dummy account and stolen credit cards to buy crowns to sell for gold and then sell gold for money.
This might be relevant some places there your goal is to get $ / € not the national monopoly money.

And yes letting you buy crowns both reduce the relevance of gold sellers even if they are cheaper and stabilize the game gold currency as any mmo has the risk of hyperinflation.

Linaleah wrote: »

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

You obviously have no idea what you talking about. Thousands of people in world literally grind gold for a living on different means and selling them on various games. Diffference here is, TCE doesnt have to even spend time grinding, it just pours on them.

What I said here is not conspiracy theories, I am sorry if you are too naive to get these points how it is possible to monetize very easily gold or other ingame currency, in most multiplayer games. It is a massive BUSINESS and if you not living in home and provided by your parents, I am sure most people would take tens or hundreds of bucks extra income per month especially if they need to put hour/day time to it.

>no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game
Like people who did bought gold would actually admit it...doh. Anyway gold buying is not my point, just commenting cause you decided to mention that.

Again disclaimer : I am not accusing anyone particular of any wrongdoings, I am just talking about relations of MMO currencies to real world, and that infact system can be abused. Thats why I also are all for Zenimax making easy system to gift/receive gold from it.

Btw, if I would run TCE, I would post my book keeping statistics from trades made, as in how much bought/sold and profits.

BTW, Gina Bruno is VIP rank in TCE, her comments would be also appreciated as always.

no YOu have no idea what you are talking about. people who grind gold to sell are NOT doing it buy spendng RL money to buy in game currency to sell in game gold, UNLESS THEY ARE DEFRAUDING CREDIT CARD COMPANIES. otherwise they LOSE MONEY ON TRANSACTIONS. you are saying that they sell crowns for gold to turn around and sell that gold for real life money yes? except... CROWNS COST REAL MONEY. so best case scenario... they break even. not to mention THIS IS COMPLETELY AGAINST TOS AND A BANNABLE OFFENSE.

the whole point about grinding for gold to resell is that people do it VIA AUTOMATED BOTS without any additional monetary investment. at least that way, if their account got banned, the investment they lost is minimal and counterbalanced by profits they made. what you are proposing is the opposite of profitable.

I am sorry you dont understand, I try to walk you throught this with very simple examples:

This is possible to do in ESO as of now, I am not accusing anyone of doing it though, but it is completely possible and easy:

>Mr.Blue buys crowns with real life money, or gets them with ESO subscription (ESO Subscription costs real life money)
>Mr. Blue sells crowns for gold in some broker service , lets say Mr.Blue sell 1000 crowns for 400k gold.
>Mr.Green brokers the gold and takes 10% cut of that gold, in this case their cut will be 40 000gold. (400 000G*0.10 = 40 000G)
>Mr.Green sells 40 000 gold in internet website to some buyer for real life money
>Mr.Green can also use the 40 000 gold for buying himself crowns, that means he gets the crowns (at this point it is established crowns are accumulated with real life money) completely free.
>Mr. Yellow buys the gold from internet website, with credit card, paypal or many other means. This does not include credit card fraud of any kind, it is completely legal transaction.
>Mr. Green Trades gold ingame to Mr.Yellow, if Mr.Green is reasonable intelligent, he before transfers the gold to dummy account so if that account get banned, it do not matter.
>Yes there is possibility he gets banned, but he did not work or pay to get that gold in the first place so it don't matter at all.

Now please read that step by step, multiple times if needed.

In your example Mr. Green doesnt get the 40k gold for free. No, he spend his time to help other get a save trade.

To quote it directly from TCE:

Brokered sales incur a tax
"This is taken from the gold passed to the seller. The small tax ensures we can compensate our brokers & staff members for their time, in addition to providing the safe and secure service platform. For normal brokered sales, the tax rate is 5%"

Brokers and staffs spend a lot of time on this to mostly help other players to trade in a save enviorment and its just fair to reward them by this smal amount of "tax" in each deal wich includes a broker. Note: Not all deals require a broker and several deals can be done without paying taxes.

So, after we made clear that they dont get the gold for free the only complain left is selling gold for real life money wich is already against the TOS.

Oberstein

I despise the fact that exchange Rate is 400 gold per Crown of Tamriel Crown Exchange even Crown is on sale with cheap price.
Before the crown sale with cheap price tag it was 400 gold per crown and after crown is on sale and price become cheaper exchange rate is still 400 gold per crown.

Linaleah

Thicclady wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

You obviously have no idea what you talking about. Thousands of people in world literally grind gold for a living on different means and selling them on various games. Diffference here is, TCE doesnt have to even spend time grinding, it just pours on them.

What I said here is not conspiracy theories, I am sorry if you are too naive to get these points how it is possible to monetize very easily gold or other ingame currency, in most multiplayer games. It is a massive BUSINESS and if you not living in home and provided by your parents, I am sure most people would take tens or hundreds of bucks extra income per month especially if they need to put hour/day time to it.

>no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game
Like people who did bought gold would actually admit it...doh. Anyway gold buying is not my point, just commenting cause you decided to mention that.

Again disclaimer : I am not accusing anyone particular of any wrongdoings, I am just talking about relations of MMO currencies to real world, and that infact system can be abused. Thats why I also are all for Zenimax making easy system to gift/receive gold from it.

Btw, if I would run TCE, I would post my book keeping statistics from trades made, as in how much bought/sold and profits.

BTW, Gina Bruno is VIP rank in TCE, her comments would be also appreciated as always.

You can farm gold to make money but you need to sell it on 3rd part sites to convert it into money.

Converting it to crown don't help you, yes you could sell crown store items for money on 3rd part sites but it would be an extra layer and one Zos would be more aggressive against. Better to have buyers buy gold and then buy crowns.

Now you could use dummy account and stolen credit cards to buy crowns to sell for gold and then sell gold for money.
This might be relevant some places there your goal is to get $ / € not the national monopoly money.

And yes letting you buy crowns both reduce the relevance of gold sellers even if they are cheaper and stabilize the game gold currency as any mmo has the risk of hyperinflation.

Linaleah wrote: »

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

You obviously have no idea what you talking about. Thousands of people in world literally grind gold for a living on different means and selling them on various games. Diffference here is, TCE doesnt have to even spend time grinding, it just pours on them.

What I said here is not conspiracy theories, I am sorry if you are too naive to get these points how it is possible to monetize very easily gold or other ingame currency, in most multiplayer games. It is a massive BUSINESS and if you not living in home and provided by your parents, I am sure most people would take tens or hundreds of bucks extra income per month especially if they need to put hour/day time to it.

>no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game
Like people who did bought gold would actually admit it...doh. Anyway gold buying is not my point, just commenting cause you decided to mention that.

Again disclaimer : I am not accusing anyone particular of any wrongdoings, I am just talking about relations of MMO currencies to real world, and that infact system can be abused. Thats why I also are all for Zenimax making easy system to gift/receive gold from it.

Btw, if I would run TCE, I would post my book keeping statistics from trades made, as in how much bought/sold and profits.

BTW, Gina Bruno is VIP rank in TCE, her comments would be also appreciated as always.

no YOu have no idea what you are talking about. people who grind gold to sell are NOT doing it buy spendng RL money to buy in game currency to sell in game gold, UNLESS THEY ARE DEFRAUDING CREDIT CARD COMPANIES. otherwise they LOSE MONEY ON TRANSACTIONS. you are saying that they sell crowns for gold to turn around and sell that gold for real life money yes? except... CROWNS COST REAL MONEY. so best case scenario... they break even. not to mention THIS IS COMPLETELY AGAINST TOS AND A BANNABLE OFFENSE.

the whole point about grinding for gold to resell is that people do it VIA AUTOMATED BOTS without any additional monetary investment. at least that way, if their account got banned, the investment they lost is minimal and counterbalanced by profits they made. what you are proposing is the opposite of profitable.

I am sorry you dont understand, I try to walk you throught this with very simple examples:

This is possible to do in ESO as of now, I am not accusing anyone of doing it though, but it is completely possible and easy:

>Mr.Blue buys crowns with real life money, or gets them with ESO subscription (ESO Subscription costs real life money)
>Mr. Blue sells crowns for gold in some broker service , lets say Mr.Blue sell 1000 crowns for 400k gold.
>Mr.Green brokers the gold and takes 10% cut of that gold, in this case their cut will be 40 000gold. (400 000G*0.10 = 40 000G)
>Mr.Green sells 40 000 gold in internet website to some buyer for real life money
>Mr.Green can also use the 40 000 gold for buying himself crowns, that means he gets the crowns (at this point it is established crowns are accumulated with real life money) completely free.
>Mr. Yellow buys the gold from internet website, with credit card, paypal or many other means. This does not include credit card fraud of any kind, it is completely legal transaction.
>Mr. Green Trades gold ingame to Mr.Yellow, if Mr.Green is reasonable intelligent, he before transfers the gold to dummy account so if that account get banned, it do not matter.
>Yes there is possibility he gets banned, but he did not work or pay to get that gold in the first place so it don't matter at all.

Now please read that step by step, multiple times if needed.

you should read this step by step and concider for just a moment.

personal time investment in brokering a deal, meaning whatever money they make is going to be far FAR bellow minimum wage
risk taken that you get scammed. the whole point of brokering a deal is that if one of the parties doesn't follow through - broker is the one responsible for the compensation. and if broker doesn't follow through, guess what? THEY get blacklisted and word travels fast in this community, so they don't get to keep brokering.
your hypothetical mister yellow's transaction is perfectly against TOS. its not illegal in terms of RL laws (well the part about using your own paypal or credit card), but it IS illegal in terms of what's allowed in game and IS bannable.
buying an account costs RL money. this is not a f2p game. so whatever transactions they make - have to justify possibility of losing money spent on creating dummy account.

and in case of mr green the broker man using some of the gold on themselves, well... are you also opposed to crafters getting paid for crafting an item, even if you provided all the mats? because providing a service - is providing a service. nothing wrong wih getting compensated for PROVIDING A SERVICE AND BEING THE ONE TO ASSUME THE RISK.

ku5h

THE_BIG_BOSS wrote: »

This stupid crown Exchange Thing is destroying the game.

Greedy zos again

Yes, ZoS is definately greedy, but not in this case. They allow us to buy Crown items with in game gold and TCE makes it 100% scam free. Only thing i dislike is the very steep exchang rate, 1/400.

Faulgor

I'm just confused when people became okay with buying gold.

SiAScORCH

I'm seeing this thread and all I can think is who gives a crap? Is it really affecting your life that much or bothering you what's going on? Then uninstall the game.

FYI whoever said about crowns being 400:1, if you're on NC PA then you're on crack. I want to say it's 225:1, now I can't speak for anything other than NA PC.

But really, in the end, who cares what they're doing or selling. If you don't want to do it, then don't participate. But don't be a liberal and coming here to complain over something that has nothing to do with you.

ku5h

SiAScORCH wrote: »

I'm seeing this thread and all I can think is who gives a crap? Is it really affecting your life that much or bothering you what's going on? Then uninstall the game.

FYI whoever said about crowns being 400:1, if you're on NC PA then you're on crack. I want to say it's 225:1, now I can't speak for anything other than NA PC.

But really, in the end, who cares what they're doing or selling. If you don't want to do it, then don't participate. But don't be a liberal and coming here to complain over something that has nothing to do with you.

Well join TCE-EU Discord and see for yourself. Whether you're on crack, blow or plain weed the exchange rate stays the same 1/400. I cant imagine that difference between EU and NA is so big.

Solda

Gnozo wrote: »

In your example Mr. Green doesnt get the 40k gold for free. No, he spend his time to help other get a save trade.

I giggled at this.

ku5h wrote: »

Only thing i dislike is the very steep exchang rate, 1/400.

I agree on this one. I am really thankful that people in zone sell for 350 or even less

starkerealm

Thicclady wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

I'm not a buyer via TCE but rather another exchange (world crown exchange) and the way its set up in that particular exchange is that you can either use a broker, or you can do direct transaction. if transactions you perform go through without issues, you go on approved list. if transaction doesn't complete as it should - you go on blacklist, well person who didn't hold up their end of the bargain anyways.

broker fees are used as a fund to compensate gold to a player that was scammed, so that they still have their transaction complete. (IF you use a broker. there are no extra fees if you do a direct trade, but you are also not guaranteed compensation if trade goes wrong)

from everything I hear about TCE - main difference between the discord I'm in and this one is that TCE keeps one steady price, while in discord that I'm in, prices can vary so sometimes its possible to find a particularly nice deal.

I have yet to experience any issues.

as far as I know whatever fees brokers take - are in gold, not crowns also.

Of course fees are in gold, but try to understand that gold=crowns=real life money.

>broker fees are used as a fund to compensate gold to a player that was scammed, so that they still have their transaction complete.

No, they are to make the runners of this scheme rich.

There are many gold selling websites, where you can sell gold for in real money too. Not pointing fingers. Just saying.

it... doesn't work in reverse.

and that is one heck of an accusation to make.

to reiterate. what you just accused them of is collecting gold, turning around and running a gold selling website on a side where they charge people money to sell them gold bypassing crowns all together. THIS is what you are accusing them off with your "not pointing fingers" little deal. are you SURE you want to go there?

What do you mean? Of course it works in reverse.

>crowns are sourced with real life money
>someone sells crowns for gold in TCE
>percentage is taken from that gold, as gold
>buy crowns from someone with that percentage
>profit

I did not accuse anyone, you should really read more carefully. I just told what is out there.

Except, not really. Because you're still getting crowns, not cash.

The system is (Gold <-> Crowns <-- Cash). There is no mechanism to extract cash from the system, so no one's actually getting rich.

Yes there is. Selling gold in numerous websites that does it. Not accusing anyone. Also rich can mean rich in game also.

So, they concoct an elaborate system to obtain gold through crowns in order to then turn around and sell the gold, at a loss, with multiple potential failure points at each handoff... when they could just start up bot farms and sell the gold?

Right.

Daedric_NB_187

I guess this is only on PC right? I would like to sell crowns on Xbox NA, but don't want to take the chance of getting screwed over.

redspecter23

Thicclady wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

You obviously have no idea what you talking about. Thousands of people in world literally grind gold for a living on different means and selling them on various games. Diffference here is, TCE doesnt have to even spend time grinding, it just pours on them.

What I said here is not conspiracy theories, I am sorry if you are too naive to get these points how it is possible to monetize very easily gold or other ingame currency, in most multiplayer games. It is a massive BUSINESS and if you not living in home and provided by your parents, I am sure most people would take tens or hundreds of bucks extra income per month especially if they need to put hour/day time to it.

>no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game
Like people who did bought gold would actually admit it...doh. Anyway gold buying is not my point, just commenting cause you decided to mention that.

Again disclaimer : I am not accusing anyone particular of any wrongdoings, I am just talking about relations of MMO currencies to real world, and that infact system can be abused. Thats why I also are all for Zenimax making easy system to gift/receive gold from it.

Btw, if I would run TCE, I would post my book keeping statistics from trades made, as in how much bought/sold and profits.

BTW, Gina Bruno is VIP rank in TCE, her comments would be also appreciated as always.

You can farm gold to make money but you need to sell it on 3rd part sites to convert it into money.

Converting it to crown don't help you, yes you could sell crown store items for money on 3rd part sites but it would be an extra layer and one Zos would be more aggressive against. Better to have buyers buy gold and then buy crowns.

Now you could use dummy account and stolen credit cards to buy crowns to sell for gold and then sell gold for money.
This might be relevant some places there your goal is to get $ / € not the national monopoly money.

And yes letting you buy crowns both reduce the relevance of gold sellers even if they are cheaper and stabilize the game gold currency as any mmo has the risk of hyperinflation.

Linaleah wrote: »

Thicclady wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

rigid exchange rates are THE primary reason why i'm sticking to the other major discord server. that said

1. this doesn't mean that TCE is being nefarious.
2. that whole conspiracy theory about selling crowns only to sell back gold... think about it for just. one. moment. it literally makes no logical sense. unless you are accusing sellers of stealing credit card info to buy the crowns in a first place - there is NO profit to be made there. especially since third party gold selling sites tend to have cheaper prices on gold vs crown trades and crown trades are restricted to crown store items. it actualy makes more sense to do it the other way around - not for profit, but rather to save on crown items (since its cheaper to buy gold third party and then get crown gifts via exchange than buy crowns directly to buy those crown items)... provided you don't mind risking your credit card info being stolen and that whole breaking ToS and a subsequent ban thing.

no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game. heck just doing daily crafting writs on multiple characters keeps me in a nice chunk of change and with the latest changes to material requirements, if you do them at rank 1 crafting skill, they are basically self sustaining - requiring zero farming or material shopping
but the idea that someone sells crowns only to turn around and sell gold at a profit? makes no sense becasue math. doesn't add up. even if you assume they sell excess gold from fees - it STILL doesn't add up.

honestly these accusations sound more like sour grapes than having any grain of truth to them.

You obviously have no idea what you talking about. Thousands of people in world literally grind gold for a living on different means and selling them on various games. Diffference here is, TCE doesnt have to even spend time grinding, it just pours on them.

What I said here is not conspiracy theories, I am sorry if you are too naive to get these points how it is possible to monetize very easily gold or other ingame currency, in most multiplayer games. It is a massive BUSINESS and if you not living in home and provided by your parents, I am sure most people would take tens or hundreds of bucks extra income per month especially if they need to put hour/day time to it.

>no. I don't buy gold. I make my gold old fashioned way. by playing the game
Like people who did bought gold would actually admit it...doh. Anyway gold buying is not my point, just commenting cause you decided to mention that.

Again disclaimer : I am not accusing anyone particular of any wrongdoings, I am just talking about relations of MMO currencies to real world, and that infact system can be abused. Thats why I also are all for Zenimax making easy system to gift/receive gold from it.

Btw, if I would run TCE, I would post my book keeping statistics from trades made, as in how much bought/sold and profits.

BTW, Gina Bruno is VIP rank in TCE, her comments would be also appreciated as always.

no YOu have no idea what you are talking about. people who grind gold to sell are NOT doing it buy spendng RL money to buy in game currency to sell in game gold, UNLESS THEY ARE DEFRAUDING CREDIT CARD COMPANIES. otherwise they LOSE MONEY ON TRANSACTIONS. you are saying that they sell crowns for gold to turn around and sell that gold for real life money yes? except... CROWNS COST REAL MONEY. so best case scenario... they break even. not to mention THIS IS COMPLETELY AGAINST TOS AND A BANNABLE OFFENSE.

the whole point about grinding for gold to resell is that people do it VIA AUTOMATED BOTS without any additional monetary investment. at least that way, if their account got banned, the investment they lost is minimal and counterbalanced by profits they made. what you are proposing is the opposite of profitable.

>Mr.Green sells 40 000 gold in internet website to some buyer for real life money

>Mr. Yellow buys the gold from internet website, with credit card, paypal or many other means. This does not include credit card fraud of any kind, it is completely legal transaction.

Now please read that step by step, multiple times if needed.

Please take your own advice and read this part. Read it again if you need to. What you outline here is a transaction outside of TCE. Players using a separate website in order to turn their real life money into gold. Also, while you won't go to jail for this action, it is completely against the terms of service. Players are not allowed to buy in game items or gold for real life money. This is the part that ZOS would take issue with and has NOTHING to do with TCE. Please try to focus your complaints on the intended target. TCE is doing nothing that is breaking any rules. If a player buys gold from a different 3rd party site, that is the issue.

Kuramas9tails

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

I guess this is only on PC right? I would like to sell crowns on Xbox NA, but don't want to take the chance of getting screwed over.

@Daedric_NB_187 I am on PS4/NA and I can tell you the biggest "no no". Do NOT sell in area chat. Selling to someone in your guild who has been active in it is a good sign of someone who is trustworthy. Check their guild rank too. That is what I do when I trust send items to people too. When you are scammed by someone who is in the guild, bring it up to the guild master and they will more than likely kick said person from guild and genuinely care about helping you. I was scammed once and lost 80K gold. When I mentioned it to my guild, people just sent me tons of gold, over 100K worth because they felt bad. So when others are scammed, I help when I can too.

Also, PS4 has a huge facebook group and also a bunch of selling/buying groups and because so many PS4 members know one another in a server, it's hard not to get your name tainted and spread when you scam someone. There's even an ESO crime watch facebook group for PS4/NA that has a list of usernames to watch out for who scammed people.

Just make sure you screenshot the conversation or record the video. I heard you can report it to ZOS but my guild has been awesome enough I never felt the need to report and get compensation from ZOS. I only report the user on PS and also just report the player on ESO.

ZOS_JesC

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