Element Specific Sets

ESO_Nightingale

Ice sets (must involve doing, boosting or (*)relying on specifically frost damage in some way)


Notes: Elemental Succession and Caluurion’s Legacy are banned.
(*) it was a stretch to include this.


TOTAL:

4 sets

Misc:

Iceheart

Light:

Winterborn
Ysgramor’s Birthright

Medium:
(none)

Heavy:

(*)Ice Furnace (requires ice to do fire damage)

Crafted:
(none)

Shock sets (must involve doing or boosting specifically shock damage in some way):

Notes: Elemental Succession and Caluurion’s Legacy are banned.

Total:

9 sets

Misc:

Ilambris
Stormfist

Light:

Mad Tinkerer
Netch’s Touch
Overwhelming Surge

Medium:

Storm Master

Heavy:

Jolting Arms
Storm Knight’s Plate
Thunderbug’s Carapace

Crafted:
(none)


Fire sets (must involve doing, boosting or (*)relying on specifically flame damage in some way):

Notes: Elemental Succession and Caluurion’s Legacy are banned.
(*)Relying on

TOTAL:

19 sets

Misc:

Ilambris
Valkyn Skoria
Domihaus
Grothdar
Infernal Guardian
Maw of the infernal(pet damage)
Zaan

Light:

Burning Spell Weave(*)
Flame Blossom
Silks of the Sun
Vicious Death(PvP only)
Phoenix

Medium:

Shadow of the Red Mountain
Sunderflame

Heavy:

Elf bane
Embershield
Ice Furnace (deals fire)
Way of Fire

Crafted:

Ashen Grip

Purpose for this Test/Post:

To show the variation between all of the elements in terms of sets. as we can see, it appears as if there might be favouritism towards fire sets.


Conclusion:
For every 1 ice set there are 4.75 fire sets
For every 1 shock set, there are 2.1 fire sets.


Notes:
If i have missed any sets. let me know.

VaranisArano

That's not too surprising when ZOS seems to want Ice to be geared towards a tanking or crowd control mode, not pure DPS.

ESO_Nightingale

VaranisArano wrote: »

That's not too surprising when ZOS seems to want Ice to be geared towards a tanking or crowd control mode, not pure DPS.

keep in mind that the last themed ice sets came out with Orsinium when the Ice change came out with Morrowind. Where are our crowd control mode ice sets? Winterborn has a snare for a few seconds. that's soft cc. on 1 set. if you want an ice themed set for tanking you have 1 SET! Permafrost! that also came out in Orsinium. It's been years! It's only just a tanking set because it gives health recovery.

VaranisArano

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

That's not too surprising when ZOS seems to want Ice to be geared towards a tanking or crowd control mode, not pure DPS.

keep in mind that the last ice set came out with Orsinium when the Ice change came out with Morrowind. Where are our crowd control mode ice sets? Winterborn has a snare for a few seconds. that's soft cc.

I don't know how much more it needs to be buffed in conjuction with the Destro staff passives. I won't claim to be a great Ice-themed player.

My main experience with it was Ice Staff tanking (it was okay) and I had a pretty good time snaring, slowing, and immobilizing players in Battlegrounds with an Ice staff - I didn't kill many players myself, but I slowed them down for my teammates to kill.

Tasear

Here a fun question. If ice dps was more of thing. How would be different between fire, and electric?

ESO_Nightingale

VaranisArano wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

That's not too surprising when ZOS seems to want Ice to be geared towards a tanking or crowd control mode, not pure DPS.

keep in mind that the last ice set came out with Orsinium when the Ice change came out with Morrowind. Where are our crowd control mode ice sets? Winterborn has a snare for a few seconds. that's soft cc.

I don't know how much more it needs to be buffed in conjuction with the Destro staff passives. I won't claim to be a great Ice-themed player.

My main experience with it was Ice Staff tanking (it was okay) and I had a pretty good time snaring, slowing, and immobilizing players in Battlegrounds with an Ice staff - I didn't kill many players myself, but I slowed them down for my teammates to kill.

ice staff at the moment is half dps half tanking. most sets are dps focused, most skills in ice staff are dps focused. passives are tanking and it holds up kinda awkward. most wardens who play with the ice staff do that. That's an assist bot (name of the bot category on the Frost Discord server lol). this isn't a post to talk about ice buffs. its to talk about these sets and the imbalance. and there just arent enough sets for ANY of ice's roles.

If you want to talk more specifically about this, I have that discord link down there and i'm active quite a lot.

ESO_Nightingale

Tasear wrote: »

Here a fun question. If ice dps was more of thing. How would be different between fire, and electric?

multiple people have ideas. for the moment we are trying to make it better for tanking and DPS. So this makes it a defensive DPS with maybe enemy armor reduction to buff tanks/dps. If they make an alteration staff, we are looking at it boosting Critical Damage. but this is a discussion for sets.

VaranisArano

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

That's not too surprising when ZOS seems to want Ice to be geared towards a tanking or crowd control mode, not pure DPS.

keep in mind that the last ice set came out with Orsinium when the Ice change came out with Morrowind. Where are our crowd control mode ice sets? Winterborn has a snare for a few seconds. that's soft cc.

I don't know how much more it needs to be buffed in conjuction with the Destro staff passives. I won't claim to be a great Ice-themed player.

My main experience with it was Ice Staff tanking (it was okay) and I had a pretty good time snaring, slowing, and immobilizing players in Battlegrounds with an Ice staff - I didn't kill many players myself, but I slowed them down for my teammates to kill.

ice staff at the moment is half dps half tanking. most sets are dps focused, most skills in ice staff are dps focused. passives are tanking and it holds up kinda awkward. most wardens who play with the ice staff do that. That's an assist bot (name of the bot category on the Frost Discord server lol). this isn't a post to talk about ice buffs. its to talk about these sets and the imbalance. and there just arent enough sets for ANY of ice's roles.

If you want to talk more specifically about this, I have that discord link down there and i'm active quite a lot.

I'm confused. What more is there to say about ice sets and imbalance between ice, fire, and lightning?

It exists. You clearly showed that. What more is there to say?

What discussion to you want to have here? (Thanks for the offer, but I dont do the Discords.)

ESO_Nightingale

VaranisArano wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

That's not too surprising when ZOS seems to want Ice to be geared towards a tanking or crowd control mode, not pure DPS.

keep in mind that the last ice set came out with Orsinium when the Ice change came out with Morrowind. Where are our crowd control mode ice sets? Winterborn has a snare for a few seconds. that's soft cc.

I don't know how much more it needs to be buffed in conjuction with the Destro staff passives. I won't claim to be a great Ice-themed player.

My main experience with it was Ice Staff tanking (it was okay) and I had a pretty good time snaring, slowing, and immobilizing players in Battlegrounds with an Ice staff - I didn't kill many players myself, but I slowed them down for my teammates to kill.

ice staff at the moment is half dps half tanking. most sets are dps focused, most skills in ice staff are dps focused. passives are tanking and it holds up kinda awkward. most wardens who play with the ice staff do that. That's an assist bot (name of the bot category on the Frost Discord server lol). this isn't a post to talk about ice buffs. its to talk about these sets and the imbalance. and there just arent enough sets for ANY of ice's roles.

If you want to talk more specifically about this, I have that discord link down there and i'm active quite a lot.

I'm confused. What more is there to say about ice sets and imbalance between ice, fire, and lightning?

It exists. You clearly showed that. What more is there to say?

What discussion to you want to have here? (Thanks for the offer, but I dont do the Discords.)

talk about sets we could see, sets you want. whatever. this is a post about sets so talk about them if you want.

Mettaricana

Zos should alter ice to be the hybrid tanky dps at the cost of lacking the second enchant. And relying entirely on one bar move the taunt from heavy attack to the aoe elemental ring so we can have the first aoe taunt and give ice users something to brag about.

Jameliel

ZOS should stop trying so hard to be different at the expense of common sense. Ice should be a viable elemental dps tool. Use melee weapons for tanking, and work out some other sort of magic for tanking if wanted.

SilverIce58

Jameliel wrote: »

ZOS should stop trying so hard to be different at the expense of common sense. Ice should be a viable elemental dps tool. Use melee weapons for tanking, and work out some other sort of magic for tanking if wanted.

Alteration magic for instance.

emilyhyoyeon

Jameliel wrote: »

ZOS should stop trying so hard to be different at the expense of common sense. Ice should be a viable elemental dps tool. Use melee weapons for tanking, and work out some other sort of magic for tanking if wanted.

I agree. I think I say this a lot, but destruction frost magic has been for damage dealing (because it's classified under the destruction magic school) like fire and shock. Frost magic being changed for mainly tanking because ''ice is hard'' is just lame, especially considering that the change was probably made just to not have to make a new staff/other weapon skill line and to fit in with the warden class being a mainly tank-healer.

Scallan

19 fire sets, 9 shock sets, and only 4 ice sets?

It's a bit ridiculous how much love frost isn't getting right now. I hope ZOS tries to remedy this in the next Chapter or next few DLC's. In the meantime, I hope our continued petitions to give frost more love are heard. It's really such a cool element

Tryxus

Tasear wrote: »

Here a fun question. If ice dps was more of thing. How would be different between fire, and electric?

Fire: Buffs DoT damage
Ice: Buffs Direct Damage
Lightning: Buffs AoE Damage

SilverIce58

Tryxus wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Here a fun question. If ice dps was more of thing. How would be different between fire, and electric?

Fire: Buffs DoT damage
Ice: Buffs Direct Damage
Lightning: Buffs AoE Damage

Doesn't fire already do DoT and Direct tho? My idea would be for Ice to buff Crit damage.

idk

Tryxus wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Here a fun question. If ice dps was more of thing. How would be different between fire, and electric?

Fire: Buffs DoT damage
Ice: Buffs Direct Damage
Lightning: Buffs AoE Damage

This does not make sense. Fire buffs single target damage where shock buff AoE.