When did Templar got the shaft?

GreenhaloX

Just made a Magplar for this double XP event and realize the developers shoved a big broomstick up Templar's arse. Ha ha. Ok, not so funny. Been playing Stamplars for a few years now, so, I didn't noticed. Darkflare was the only skill that gave Templar major Brutality, or I'm not sure it also gave Major Sorcery; but, you don't get that anymore. It's changed to boost light attack by 40%.. wtf!!! I mean, big WTF!!! With a Stamplar, with my 2H, I use Forward Momentum or Rally for the Major Brutality, and for my DW, I can rely on Shrouded Dagger for the Major B boost. Now with a Magplar, there isn't any skill to boost Major Sorcery. I also noticed Breath of Life is costing almost 5k majicka. I remember it was just about 4k back went, and Hasty Prayer is almost 7k majicka. WTF again.. Back when, Hasty Prayer was around the higher 3k cost.

Whatever new developers you all got working at ZOS and/or Bethesda, you all must not like majicka toons. Sorc got the shaft with the ward being decimated. Magplar's been getting the shaft as well. Hell, Magblade doesn't even have a good shield, unless you 5 lights and rely on Dampen Magic/Annulment; screw light armors. Anyways.. why such hate on Templars and majicka toon, in general. Hell, my Stamsorc has a better ward than my Magsorc. Not that I'm complaining the boost to shield for Stamsorc, but it's kinda messed up that Magsorc has crap shield now.

Who the hell are the damn Templar and sorc class reps? You all need to be fired! (RELAX... just a joke.) laugh with me.. Ha ha. Ahhh.. seriously, we need some love back for Templar and Magsorc.. and WTF is this damn "Grace" crap for light armor passive?!!

Reverb

Class Reps can't really be fired, because it's not a job. And it's been said that the Class Reps are supposed to represent the community as a whole, and not specific classes or playstyles.

But you won't find anyone who is a bigger advocate for Templar improvements than @Joy_Division, who along with many many of us, was very outspoken about it when magplars got nerf after nerf after nerf.

Ultimately though the Devs do what they want. Even when what they want is bad for the game.

Wildberryjack

Reverb wrote: »

Class Reps can't really be fired, because it's not a job. And it's been said that the Class Reps are supposed to represent the community as a whole, and not specific classes or playstyles.

But you won't find anyone who is a bigger advocate for Templar improvements than @Joy_Division, who along with many many of us, was very outspoken about it then magplars got nerf after nerf after nerf.

Ultimately though the Devs do what they want. Even when what they want is bad for the game.

Even though they can't make the changes everyone wants all the time, when enough players say something isn't working it would be nice if they'd look at it. The attitude of 'we don't care what you want' has killed many a game. Sometimes even if that isn't their thinking if it comes across that way then it doesn't matter, we still feel slighted and ignored. At least talk to us if you disagree and say why.

proteinexe

I think you'r sorely mistaken. Magplars are at this moment in time, one of the most powerful PvP classes out there.
Im not going to go into great detail, but I have one, and I abuse the hell out of the skills they have.
Jabs - one of the best spambles in PvP. Eclipse.. i don't need to say. Cleanse. Healing Ritual. Honour the dead.
The sustain and survivability on them is insane, and with only a tiny bit of damage, Magplars become insane.

As for Major Sorcery. I simply use for Structured Entropy Major and Vampires bane for Minor (the passive).

Honestly, Magicka characters are not getting the 'shaft', Magblads are extremely powerful with insane bow proc damage, Magsorcs are still powerful, now they're just harder to kill because they have more health to ramp up their shields, and Magdens (if played right) id say is probably one of the most powerful classes in PvP (yes they do need some love though).

Just my thoughts, but as someone who plays Magplar on main, I think they'r one of the only classes out there without a hard counter, and with the ability to do whatever they want.

Edit: I just realised that I though you had been talking about PvP, ^ if you'r talking about PvE, I have no idea, and my comments are redundant.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Templars have never had in class major sorcery or brutality. Ever. In almost 5 years. It is an intentional feature of the class. Use entropy from the mages guild, like temps have always done. Or use pots, like most people do.

Hasty prayer was a channeled heal. Meaning you had to wait to get a heal. This is bad. The skill is now instant, still garbage, like it always was, but at least it is less garbage.

jediodyn_ESO

Templars are dominating BGs, are considered one of if not THE most powerful dueling class this patch, and are still the most sought out healers for end game PvE content. Your complaints that stamplars need to get maj brutality from rally/fm, or that magicka got a nerf (shield nerf actually a 'buff' once you figure out how to stack shields with resists) are rude and ridiculous.

"Fire these people! (P.S. Happy Holidays!)" so rude and toxic. Try to rephrase your complaints with constructive suggestions or questions and you might get the answers you need to solve your problems.

GreenhaloX

Reverb wrote: »

Class Reps can't really be fired, because it's not a job. And it's been said that the Class Reps are supposed to represent the community as a whole, and not specific classes or playstyles.

But you won't find anyone who is a bigger advocate for Templar improvements than @Joy_Division, who along with many many of us, was very outspoken about it when magplars got nerf after nerf after nerf.

Ultimately though the Devs do what they want. Even when what they want is bad for the game.

I know.. I was only kidding. I'm not even sure how good the class reps program is even doing for ESO. I read quite a few comments from those doing the PTS, and their comments for improvements/fixes weren't adhered by the devs. So, probably same with comments/recommendation from class reps.

Jeremy

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Just made a Magplar for this double XP event and realize the developers shoved a big broomstick up Templar's arse. Ha ha. Ok, not so funny. Been playing Stamplars for a few years now, so, I didn't noticed. Darkflare was the only skill that gave Templar major Brutality, or I'm not sure it also gave Major Sorcery; but, you don't get that anymore. It's changed to boost light attack by 40%.. wtf!!! I mean, big WTF!!! With a Stamplar, with my 2H, I use Forward Momentum or Rally for the Major Brutality, and for my DW, I can rely on Shrouded Dagger for the Major B boost. Now with a Magplar, there isn't any skill to boost Major Sorcery. I also noticed Breath of Life is costing almost 5k majicka. I remember it was just about 4k back went, and Hasty Prayer is almost 7k majicka. WTF again.. Back when, Hasty Prayer was around the higher 3k cost.

Whatever new developers you all got working at ZOS and/or Bethesda, you all must not like majicka toons. Sorc got the shaft with the ward being decimated. Magplar's been getting the shaft as well. Hell, Magblade doesn't even have a good shield, unless you 5 lights and rely on Dampen Magic/Annulment; screw light armors. Anyways.. why such hate on Templars and majicka toon, in general. Hell, my Stamsorc has a better ward than my Magsorc. Not that I'm complaining the boost to shield for Stamsorc, but it's kinda messed up that Magsorc has crap shield now.

Who the hell are the damn Templar and sorc class reps? You all need to be fired! Ha ha. Ahhh.. seriously, we need some love back for Templar and Magsorc.. and WTF is this damn "Grace" crap for light armor passive?!!

Yeah I noticed that. Empower is now restricted to light attacks.

But this is just more of the same. The development team has hated Templar for awhile now. They also stripped them of Major Mending, took away our stun from Blazing Spear and made some God awful changes to the way Breath of Life targets. None of these changes were necessary or made any sense. Just mindless hostility for the class itself.

They did improve healing ritual. But as you say, it's expensive as hell and has limited range. I don't know why this game is so determined to make healers have to beg for players to stack for them to be able to heal them - especially considering so many fights encourage players to run all over the place due to mechanics, adds etc. It's very weird and something I'll never understand about this game.

LonePirate

Unless you are a Nightblade, ZOS does not care about your class specific complaints. Your Templar complaints will be ignored. Now, if you have a Nightblade complaint, specifically if you want it buffed, those items will be addressed post haste.

socivL

sounds like someone was Fallout 76'd

Reverb

People saying Templars are strong in PvP aren't wrong. But people who play Templars (besides heal bots) had to become good in spite of their chosen class, not because of it.

We make heavy use of Guild and weapon skills, because our passives are so lacking. We don't get the damage passives the other classes get, and are always working around that.

Our skills work against each other instead of harmoniously. We have no class roots, our only stun is dodgable, reflectable, and when it works it actually knocks our opponent out of range of our primary damage skill (which misses the target 50% of the time), and on the occasion the stun does work, it makes your target immune to Eclipse (which still stupidly counts as a cc even though it doesn't cc). And don't forget, Templars are still the healers without class access to Major Mending.

kypranb14_ESO

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Darkflare was the only skill that gave Templar major Brutality, or I'm not sure it also gave Major Sorcery; but, you don't get that anymore. It's changed to boost light attack by 40%

That buff was, and is called Empower. It used to give 20% extra damage on your next attack. Now it gives 40% extra damage on your next light attack. It was a universal change, not exclusive to Templars.

Jeremy

jediodyn_ESO wrote: »

Templars are dominating BGs, are considered one of if not THE most powerful dueling class this patch, and are still the most sought out healers for end game PvE content. Your complaints that stamplars need to get maj brutality from rally/fm, or that magicka got a nerf (shield nerf actually a 'buff' once you figure out how to stack shields with resists) are rude and ridiculous.

"Fire these people! (P.S. Happy Holidays!)" so rude and toxic. Try to rephrase your complaints with constructive suggestions or questions and you might get the answers you need to solve your problems.

I've never seen Templars dominate a battleground in my life.

Sure, they may be good in 1v1. But how often does that actually happen in PvP? In my experience, it's so rare it's not even worth mentioning.

GreenhaloX

jediodyn_ESO wrote: »

Templars are dominating BGs, are considered one of if not THE most powerful dueling class this patch, and are still the most sought out healers for end game PvE content. Your complaints that stamplars need to get maj brutality from rally/fm, or that magicka got a nerf (shield nerf actually a 'buff' once you figure out how to stack shields with resists) are rude and ridiculous.

"Fire these people! (P.S. Happy Holidays!)" so rude and toxic. Try to rephrase your complaints with constructive suggestions or questions and you might get the answers you need to solve your problems.

Eat some snickers, dude... are you still hunged over from eggnogs that you can't see it to be a joke.. goodness.. You're one to talk about constructive suggestions.. yeah, you're rude and toxic.. also, are you that unskilled that you need to stack shield? please.. Dominating BG.. you jest. Didn't realize it was April's fool day already. Eat snickers and enjoy the game, will you..

CyrusArya

Templar and Sorc are actually both pretty damn strong if you know how to build and play the classes. Class balance is pretty great at the moment in my honest opinion. Pretty much everything can be very strong in the right hands and application.

The way I see it, the forums in general is such a terrible place for accurate information and feedback. Wether it’s ppl saying something is too strong or too weak, the vast majority of the time it’s just plain wrong. The discourse is sadly driven more by emotions than valid analysis and perspective.

GreenhaloX

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Templars have never had in class major sorcery or brutality. Ever. In almost 5 years. It is an intentional feature of the class. Use entropy from the mages guild, like temps have always done. Or use pots, like most people do.

Hasty prayer was a channeled heal. Meaning you had to wait to get a heal. This is bad. The skill is now instant, still garbage, like it always was, but at least it is less garbage.

Ahhh, yeah, my bad.. I been playing Stamplars for so long and using Forward Momentum or Shrouded Dagger. Yeah, you're right, it wasn't Major B from the Dark Flare. I rarely use light attack as my playstyle. So, the current Dark Flare doesn't benefit me much. Now that you had mentioned it; yeah, Templar never had a Major B or Major Sorcery within it's own skill line. What a bummer. Still, it's not bad. I'm still wreaking havoc with the likes of Reflective Light, Solar Barrage, Retribution, Blazing Spears and combo with a couple Destro skills. However, yeah, it's lacking a skill to boost to Major B or S. However, I never had a healer toon, nor like playing a healer; but, I am contemplating changing this Magplar into a healer. Ahh... we'll see.

CyrusArya wrote: »

Templar and Sorc are actually both pretty damn strong if you know how to build and play the classes. Class balance is pretty great at the moment in my honest opinion. Pretty much everything can be very strong in the right hands and application.

The way I see it, the forums in general is such a terrible place for accurate information and feedback. Wether it’s ppl saying something is too strong or too weak, the vast majority of the time it’s just plain wrong. The discourse is sadly driven more by emotions than valid analysis and perspective.

Sure, I agree. Although, the ward isn't at strong as before (and yes, though, it sucks, the nerf to the ward was just a long time coming), I'm still wreaking havoc with my Magsorc. However, I'm not running Plaque Doctor or PD lightning staff on my sorc.. and I'm still tearing it up with my Magplar, but would be better to be able to boost Major Sorcery like other classes' skill lines. The way I look at it, Magplar as a dd isn't to its full potential without Major Sorcery in its skill set. I can't see throwing on a 5-piece set with Major S on at all times. It isn't too optimal as a 5-piece that procs other damage and DoTs capability. Can't see just relying on Essence of Spell pot, either. It only last, what 15 sec with a 45 second cool down; again not too optimal.

Parrot1986

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Templars have never had in class major sorcery or brutality. Ever. In almost 5 years. It is an intentional feature of the class. Use entropy from the mages guild, like temps have always done. Or use pots, like most people do.

Hasty prayer was a channeled heal. Meaning you had to wait to get a heal. This is bad. The skill is now instant, still garbage, like it always was, but at least it is less garbage.

Ahhh, yeah, my bad.. I been playing Stamplars for so long and using Forward Momentum or Shrouded Dagger. Yeah, you're right, it wasn't Major B from the Dark Flare. I rarely use light attack as my playstyle. So, the current Dark Flare doesn't benefit me much. Now that you had mentioned it; yeah, Templar never had a Major B or Major Sorcery within it's own skill line. What a bummer. Still, it's not bad. I'm still wreaking havoc with the likes of Reflective Light, Solar Barrage, Retribution, Blazing Spears and combo with a couple Destro skills. However, yeah, it's lacking a skill to boost to Major B or S. However, I never had a healer toon, nor like playing a healer; but, I am contemplating changing this Magplar into a healer. Ahh... we'll see.

CyrusArya wrote: »

Templar and Sorc are actually both pretty damn strong if you know how to build and play the classes. Class balance is pretty great at the moment in my honest opinion. Pretty much everything can be very strong in the right hands and application.

The way I see it, the forums in general is such a terrible place for accurate information and feedback. Wether it’s ppl saying something is too strong or too weak, the vast majority of the time it’s just plain wrong. The discourse is sadly driven more by emotions than valid analysis and perspective.

Sure, I agree. Although, the ward isn't at strong as before (and yes, though, it sucks, the nerf to the ward was just a long time coming), I'm still wreaking havoc with my Magsorc. However, I'm not running Plaque Doctor or PD lightning staff on my sorc.. and I'm still tearing it up with my Magplar, but would be better to be able to boost Major Sorcery like other classes' skill lines. The way I look at it, Magplar as a dd isn't to its full potential without Major Sorcery in its skill set. I can't see throwing on a 5-piece set with Major S on at all times. It isn't too optimal as a 5-piece that procs other damage and DoTs capability. Can't see just relying on Essence of Weapon pot, either. It only last, what 15 sec with a 45 second cool down; again not too optimal.

Use structured entropy to get spell damage buff or max out your alchemy with medicinal passive to get uptime of 46 seconds so giving you 100% uptime through pots

Parrot1986

Also Templar’s are the only class that get minor sorcery so I don’t mind having to get major sorcery through pots or structured entropy. Overall magplar are in a pretty good place, especially compared to the last 12-18 months.

Kikke

Templars in the entrance of 2019
- Strong PvP healer
- Strong PvP brawler
- Strong PvP tank
- Strong PvE healer
- Strong PvE magDPS
- Strong PvE stamDPS

What are you crying about?

ESO_Nightingale

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Just made a Magplar for this double XP event and realize the developers shoved a big broomstick up Templar's arse. Ha ha. Ok, not so funny. Been playing Stamplars for a few years now, so, I didn't noticed. Darkflare was the only skill that gave Templar major Brutality, or I'm not sure it also gave Major Sorcery; but, you don't get that anymore. It's changed to boost light attack by 40%.. wtf!!! I mean, big WTF!!! With a Stamplar, with my 2H, I use Forward Momentum or Rally for the Major Brutality, and for my DW, I can rely on Shrouded Dagger for the Major B boost. Now with a Magplar, there isn't any skill to boost Major Sorcery. I also noticed Breath of Life is costing almost 5k majicka. I remember it was just about 4k back went, and Hasty Prayer is almost 7k majicka. WTF again.. Back when, Hasty Prayer was around the higher 3k cost.

Whatever new developers you all got working at ZOS and/or Bethesda, you all must not like majicka toons. Sorc got the shaft with the ward being decimated. Magplar's been getting the shaft as well. Hell, Magblade doesn't even have a good shield, unless you 5 lights and rely on Dampen Magic/Annulment; screw light armors. Anyways.. why such hate on Templars and majicka toon, in general. Hell, my Stamsorc has a better ward than my Magsorc. Not that I'm complaining the boost to shield for Stamsorc, but it's kinda messed up that Magsorc has crap shield now.

Who the hell are the damn Templar and sorc class reps? You all need to be fired! Ha ha. Ahhh.. seriously, we need some love back for Templar and Magsorc.. and WTF is this damn "Grace" crap for light armor passive?!!

I completely disagree with your comment about the class reps. They are actively involved in reporting problems with the class and they listen to feedback. They aren't making bad decisions. ZOS are. Be mad at the developers.

And you forgot about magwarden who has been getting *** on for patches and patches. Last patch was the final straw for many people. Our only viable ultimate was nerfed a disproportionately huge amount and it's still our best ultimate. Our other dps ultimate lacks a defining effect and ZOS said "*** u" to people who like ice magic. Making the class Ice magic line 85% tanking when about 40% of the tanking morphs are anywhere from outclassed to near useless garbage that can be reworked to give magden what it lacks along with Winter's Embrace's passives being lackluster. ZOS knows we want ice mages but that doesn't mean that it can't tank as well. Winter's Embrace is the key to magden. It has the room and theme! People want more than 4 dps skills in magden so they can play around with different builds. I know people who don't use deep fissure which is one of our key skills and our single target burst tool is still in a rough spot where they sped it up so it no longer combos as a burst skill so now its in an awkward spot as a middleground between timed burst and spammable. Hell! Even our DoT is boring! It has raw damage! Magden lacks a synergy AND a group dps increase buff while parsing a little lower than other magdps! no wonder it isnt used in groups!

My point here is that other classes are struggling too.

GreenhaloX

Kikke wrote: »

Templars in the entrance of 2019
- Strong PvP healer
- Strong PvP brawler
- Strong PvP tank
- Strong PvE healer
- Strong PvE magDPS
- Strong PvE stamDPS

What are you crying about?

Ha ha ha ha... that was they said about sorc's ward. It won't be nerfed. It will only have cast time added. Now, look what happened.

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Just made a Magplar for this double XP event and realize the developers shoved a big broomstick up Templar's arse. Ha ha. Ok, not so funny. Been playing Stamplars for a few years now, so, I didn't noticed. Darkflare was the only skill that gave Templar major Brutality, or I'm not sure it also gave Major Sorcery; but, you don't get that anymore. It's changed to boost light attack by 40%.. wtf!!! I mean, big WTF!!! With a Stamplar, with my 2H, I use Forward Momentum or Rally for the Major Brutality, and for my DW, I can rely on Shrouded Dagger for the Major B boost. Now with a Magplar, there isn't any skill to boost Major Sorcery. I also noticed Breath of Life is costing almost 5k majicka. I remember it was just about 4k back went, and Hasty Prayer is almost 7k majicka. WTF again.. Back when, Hasty Prayer was around the higher 3k cost.

Whatever new developers you all got working at ZOS and/or Bethesda, you all must not like majicka toons. Sorc got the shaft with the ward being decimated. Magplar's been getting the shaft as well. Hell, Magblade doesn't even have a good shield, unless you 5 lights and rely on Dampen Magic/Annulment; screw light armors. Anyways.. why such hate on Templars and majicka toon, in general. Hell, my Stamsorc has a better ward than my Magsorc. Not that I'm complaining the boost to shield for Stamsorc, but it's kinda messed up that Magsorc has crap shield now.

Who the hell are the damn Templar and sorc class reps? You all need to be fired! Ha ha. Ahhh.. seriously, we need some love back for Templar and Magsorc.. and WTF is this damn "Grace" crap for light armor passive?!!

I completely disagree with your comment about the class reps. They are actively involved in reporting problems with the class and they listen to feedback. They aren't making bad decisions. ZOS are. Be mad at the developers.

And you forgot about magwarden who has been getting *** on for patches and patches. Last patch was the final straw for many people. Our only viable ultimate was nerfed a disproportionately huge amount and it's still our best ultimate. Our other dps ultimate lacks a defining effect and ZOS said "*** u" to people who like ice magic. Making the class Ice magic line 85% tanking when about 40% of the tanking morphs are anywhere from outclassed to near useless garbage that can be reworked to give magden what it lacks along with Winter's Embrace's passives being lackluster. ZOS knows we want ice mages but that doesn't mean that it can't tank as well. Winter's Embrace is the key to magden. It has the room and theme! People want more than 4 dps skills in magden so they can play around with different builds. I know people who don't use deep fissure which is one of our key skills and our single target burst tool is still in a rough spot where they sped it up so it no longer combos as a burst skill so now its in an awkward spot as a middleground between timed burst and spammable. Hell! Even our DoT is boring! It has raw damage! Magden lacks a synergy AND a group dps increase buff while parsing a little lower than other magdps! no wonder it isnt used in groups!

My point here is that other classes are struggling too.

I'm not dissing the class reps.. humor, joke, just kidding. Some peeps don't have funny bone, or what.. I can't say whether the reps are making good or bad decisions. It doesn't matter to me. The matters of the reps don't concern me, as I'm not involved in any way, shape or form. All I know is when I play the game and level up new toons, and I see the differences (some huge) of certain skills of certain classes aren't as optimal as once were, there is a disturbance in the force.

pod88kk

Best healers in the game? Templars
Bursty and tanky in pvp? Templars
One of the top pve ranged dps? Templars
Strong stamina dps? Templars

Think Templars are in a pretty strong position at the moment if I'm honest.

AcadianPaladin

As mentioned, potions can work, though a bit expensive in mats to keep up in every fight. Entropy for magsters, though you have to draw blood before you get it (can't open with major sorc active). Open with potion then rely on Entropy?

Another idea may be to consider a couple easy to get dungeon sets. Rattlecage gives major sorc and Dreugh King Slayer gives major brutality. Both are heavy armor sets so if you like 5/1/1 you can run 2 slots for weapons, 2 slots for jewelry and one slot for a cuirass and still be 5/1/1.

Joy_Division

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Just made a Magplar for this double XP event and realize the developers shoved a big broomstick up Templar's arse. Ha ha. Ok, not so funny. Been playing Stamplars for a few years now, so, I didn't noticed. Darkflare was the only skill that gave Templar major Brutality, or I'm not sure it also gave Major Sorcery; but, you don't get that anymore. It's changed to boost light attack by 40%.. wtf!!! I mean, big WTF!!! With a Stamplar, with my 2H, I use Forward Momentum or Rally for the Major Brutality, and for my DW, I can rely on Shrouded Dagger for the Major B boost. Now with a Magplar, there isn't any skill to boost Major Sorcery. I also noticed Breath of Life is costing almost 5k majicka. I remember it was just about 4k back went, and Hasty Prayer is almost 7k majicka. WTF again.. Back when, Hasty Prayer was around the higher 3k cost.

Whatever new developers you all got working at ZOS and/or Bethesda, you all must not like majicka toons. Sorc got the shaft with the ward being decimated. Magplar's been getting the shaft as well. Hell, Magblade doesn't even have a good shield, unless you 5 lights and rely on Dampen Magic/Annulment; screw light armors. Anyways.. why such hate on Templars and majicka toon, in general. Hell, my Stamsorc has a better ward than my Magsorc. Not that I'm complaining the boost to shield for Stamsorc, but it's kinda messed up that Magsorc has crap shield now.

Who the hell are the damn Templar and sorc class reps? You all need to be fired! Ha ha. Ahhh.. seriously, we need some love back for Templar and Magsorc.. and WTF is this damn "Grace" crap for light armor passive?!!

One is right here.

If you can re-write this to be coherent, up-to-date, and accurate, I will try to give you a tl;dr over however many years it's been since you last played the class.

GreenhaloX

Joy_Division wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Just made a Magplar for this double XP event and realize the developers shoved a big broomstick up Templar's arse. Ha ha. Ok, not so funny. Been playing Stamplars for a few years now, so, I didn't noticed. Darkflare was the only skill that gave Templar major Brutality, or I'm not sure it also gave Major Sorcery; but, you don't get that anymore. It's changed to boost light attack by 40%.. wtf!!! I mean, big WTF!!! With a Stamplar, with my 2H, I use Forward Momentum or Rally for the Major Brutality, and for my DW, I can rely on Shrouded Dagger for the Major B boost. Now with a Magplar, there isn't any skill to boost Major Sorcery. I also noticed Breath of Life is costing almost 5k majicka. I remember it was just about 4k back went, and Hasty Prayer is almost 7k majicka. WTF again.. Back when, Hasty Prayer was around the higher 3k cost.

Whatever new developers you all got working at ZOS and/or Bethesda, you all must not like majicka toons. Sorc got the shaft with the ward being decimated. Magplar's been getting the shaft as well. Hell, Magblade doesn't even have a good shield, unless you 5 lights and rely on Dampen Magic/Annulment; screw light armors. Anyways.. why such hate on Templars and majicka toon, in general. Hell, my Stamsorc has a better ward than my Magsorc. Not that I'm complaining the boost to shield for Stamsorc, but it's kinda messed up that Magsorc has crap shield now.

Who the hell are the damn Templar and sorc class reps? You all need to be fired! Ha ha. Ahhh.. seriously, we need some love back for Templar and Magsorc.. and WTF is this damn "Grace" crap for light armor passive?!!

One is right here.

If you can re-write this to be coherent, up-to-date, and accurate, I will try to give you a tl;dr over however many years it's been since you last played the class.

Relax.. high and mighty class rep. Please come back down to Earth.. Damn, you all can't take a joke. Nahh, no advice or whatever needed. Just go forth and do good things for whatever you're doing.

Parrot1986 wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Templars have never had in class major sorcery or brutality. Ever. In almost 5 years. It is an intentional feature of the class. Use entropy from the mages guild, like temps have always done. Or use pots, like most people do.

Hasty prayer was a channeled heal. Meaning you had to wait to get a heal. This is bad. The skill is now instant, still garbage, like it always was, but at least it is less garbage.

Ahhh, yeah, my bad.. I been playing Stamplars for so long and using Forward Momentum or Shrouded Dagger. Yeah, you're right, it wasn't Major B from the Dark Flare. I rarely use light attack as my playstyle. So, the current Dark Flare doesn't benefit me much. Now that you had mentioned it; yeah, Templar never had a Major B or Major Sorcery within it's own skill line. What a bummer. Still, it's not bad. I'm still wreaking havoc with the likes of Reflective Light, Solar Barrage, Retribution, Blazing Spears and combo with a couple Destro skills. However, yeah, it's lacking a skill to boost to Major B or S. However, I never had a healer toon, nor like playing a healer; but, I am contemplating changing this Magplar into a healer. Ahh... we'll see.

CyrusArya wrote: »

Templar and Sorc are actually both pretty damn strong if you know how to build and play the classes. Class balance is pretty great at the moment in my honest opinion. Pretty much everything can be very strong in the right hands and application.

The way I see it, the forums in general is such a terrible place for accurate information and feedback. Wether it’s ppl saying something is too strong or too weak, the vast majority of the time it’s just plain wrong. The discourse is sadly driven more by emotions than valid analysis and perspective.

Sure, I agree. Although, the ward isn't at strong as before (and yes, though, it sucks, the nerf to the ward was just a long time coming), I'm still wreaking havoc with my Magsorc. However, I'm not running Plaque Doctor or PD lightning staff on my sorc.. and I'm still tearing it up with my Magplar, but would be better to be able to boost Major Sorcery like other classes' skill lines. The way I look at it, Magplar as a dd isn't to its full potential without Major Sorcery in its skill set. I can't see throwing on a 5-piece set with Major S on at all times. It isn't too optimal as a 5-piece that procs other damage and DoTs capability. Can't see just relying on Essence of Weapon pot, either. It only last, what 15 sec with a 45 second cool down; again not too optimal.

Use structured entropy to get spell damage buff or max out your alchemy with medicinal passive to get uptime of 46 seconds so giving you 100% uptime through pots

I didn't realized Structured Entropy also gave Major Sorcery. I was playing around with it and morphed it with another toon. Oh, sure that will work. Yeah, I always had Stamplar and just now coming around to play with Magplar. Still, would be nice if BoL costed a bit less and Rune Focus hasn't changed. Appreciated your feedback..

..and for the others. There is nowhere I mentioned that Templars are weak and not good. Ahh, just didn't like or agree with certain changes. I am still wreaking havoc with the Magplar, even though, it's still a lowbie and leveling.

Kikke

Stop trolling the forums... this thread is 100% successful troll attempt. Good job OP.

qbit

They got the shaft from Molag Bal around the end of the main quest.

Edit: But then they caused like 1000000 DPS and shafted the Bal.

Drdeath20

Class reps are doing a great job but templars are mess.

Core skills are buggy.

Blanket changes to defile and empower killed dark flare/solar barrage.

Very little cohesion in class skills. Both magicka morphs of spear knock back instead of 1 knocking down. Theres a min range for our gap closer and binding javelin is slow AF. Solar barrage is just awkward (does it want to be a melee skill or a range skill) and its too clunky to use with sweeps.

Can stack a ton into mitigating Channels and AoE, which is basically a templars bread and butter.

Far too many uesless skills like healing ritual, radiant aura, explosive charge, sun shield/blazing shield, ritual of ret. Etc...

Rushed ceremony has been overly nerfed. Somehow it still works but its 1 small change away from being useless.

Really not much for mag dumps for a stam player. Cleanse for pvp and nothing for pve.

2 of our ultimates have morphs that are far too similar and neither really help stam.

Skills give CC immunity despite really not effecting opponent.

Inspite of this templars are still good but there is very little variety in builds from playstyle to playstyle.

D0PAMINE

My two strongest characters rn are a Breton Magplar named Godmode, and an Orc Stamplar named Resistanze is Futile. I have never made stuff melt this fast and neither one is wearing trial gear.

theyancey

During beta the templar class was OP for the single player. When launch rolled around I rolled another. It was shortly thereafter that they were nerfed to Oblivion and back. I still have that toon and he is still unplayable.

Sylvermynx

@GreenhaloX - I took your post at face value to begin with, and since I'm not having any real issues with my "one of each variety" Templars, I just decided not to post anything. I did not read it as joking however - and you didn't even use smilies (which I don't even see anyway, nor do they tend to defuse me though apparently they do others).

That was this morning. Just mooshed back through the thread to see you edited in a remark about joking. And read the other replies.

I have to say, considering many of your other posts I've read, you come across as totally serious about things like this. So if you're not really serious, maybe you should do something before you post the thread in the beginning to indicate you're joking? Rather than editing in a remark about a joke much later after others have taken you to task I mean....