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Making ice staff viable
Somber97866
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Why couldn't couldn't the set look something like this
2nd spell crit
3rd max magic
4th spell crit
5th Adds 300 spell damage to ice attacks. When equipped with ice staff: makes ice staff heavy attack cause a aoe ice explosion that reduces movement speed, does x damage per second for 8 sec and allows for a synergy that puts a 2000point damage shield on everyone in a 8 meter radius. Disengages taunt and cannot be worn in cyrodil.
Instead of making whole new set just use Y. Birthright set. No one uses it.
2nd spell crit
3rd max magic
4th spell crit
5th Adds 300 spell damage to ice attacks. When equipped with ice staff: makes ice staff heavy attack cause a aoe ice explosion that reduces movement speed, does x damage per second for 8 sec and allows for a synergy that puts a 2000point damage shield on everyone in a 8 meter radius. Disengages taunt and cannot be worn in cyrodil.
Instead of making whole new set just use Y. Birthright set. No one uses it.
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Anzriel✭✭✭✭Well, honestly I'd just prefer they completely rework ice staves. Maybe add another skill line that turns ice staff into a tanking weapon so it can use skills to tank instead of slow heavy attacks. Then you move passives back to ice staff to make it a viable dps weapon as well (You know, -destruction staff-). As it is right now ice staff just feels like a poor tanking weapon and a poor dps weapon. I appreciate the fact they wanted to try something new, staff tanking, but it's just so poorly implemented. I doubt it'll ever change though sadly.1 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ice staffs currently work as a way to backbar block passives without slotting snb (a stamina weapon) in pvp. A mix between offense/defense that was missing for mag toons.
It just doesn't work as everyone wants it to work in PVE.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭I like this solution because it maintains the usefulness of the ice staff for tanks, while allowing an option for DPS to use it. I love the ice staff on my tank as a backbar supplemental weapon. Those who think the Ice Staff is a poor tanking weapon dont know how to use it...it greatly expands the tanking toolkit. It could be better no doubt, but a tank with an ice staff is far more flexible than a tank without.
The "slow heavy attack" taunt is just fine as it is...it serves its purpose well. All you have to do is learn when and where to use it...its not suitable in 100% of conditions, but it was never meant to be....learn to tank correctly though and it shines where its meant to. As any good tank knows....you tank each fight differently and so sometimes you use the ice staff taunt...most times you use Pierce Armor, and occasionally you use Inner Fire...whichever taunt is most suitable for the fight.Edited by josiahva on December 24, 2018 4:47PM0 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Don't mess with Ysgramor's. Instead, you can work with Ice Furnace. Now THAT set is useless. Ysgramor's isn't a bad set at all but its not used much because there are barely any ice dps skills to play around with (yet
). Silks of the Sun (fire damage equivalent) is a useful set people run because there ARE many flame damage skills.
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The king of all band-aid fixes. I have a feeling ZOS will like thisValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Chaos2088✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Magicka tanking needs its own staff....
Ice destruction staff needs a rework to be a viable end game choice. + A few ice damage sets to be added to the game.@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP1 -
frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ice staff is viable... just not in the good way.
They’re used for perma rooting and snares3 -
emilyhyoyeon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Magicka tanking needs its own staff....
Ice destruction staff needs a rework to be a viable end game choice. + A few ice damage sets to be added to the game.
Using a destruction staff for tanking doesn't make any sense either. Destruction isn't a defensive magic school, and ice isn't an inherently tanky element in TESIGN @ emilypumpkin, imperial pumpkin seller & ghost hunter
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ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Magicka tanking needs its own staff....
Ice destruction staff needs a rework to be a viable end game choice. + A few ice damage sets to be added to the game.
Using a destruction staff for tanking doesn't make any sense either. Destruction isn't a defensive magic school, and ice isn't an inherently tanky element in TES
Yep. But we have to play with what we got.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
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✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Magicka tanking needs its own staff....
Ice destruction staff needs a rework to be a viable end game choice. + A few ice damage sets to be added to the game.
Using a destruction staff for tanking doesn't make any sense either. Destruction isn't a defensive magic school, and ice isn't an inherently tanky element in TES
Yep. But we have to play with what we got.
No.. we don't.0 -
The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Aside from ZOS being smart and adding a new type of defensive weapon for tanking, the goal is to try to create a compromise with what we already have.0 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If they would just make a skill have a morph that taunts, and one that does not, then Tanks or DPS could use the staff as they see fit. It could be an easy shift in the Elemental Bonus addition that Destro Staff Force Pulse come with.
Right now, all the Ice sets in the game are considered useless to me because I won't use an Ice Staff. Shame as I like playing a Frost Wizard.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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emilyhyoyeon✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Magicka tanking needs its own staff....
Ice destruction staff needs a rework to be a viable end game choice. + A few ice damage sets to be added to the game.
Using a destruction staff for tanking doesn't make any sense either. Destruction isn't a defensive magic school, and ice isn't an inherently tanky element in TES
Yep. But we have to play with what we got.
I don't know what you mean. We're talking about making changes to ice stavesIGN @ emilypumpkin, imperial pumpkin seller & ghost hunter
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ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »emilyhyoyeon wrote: »Magicka tanking needs its own staff....
Ice destruction staff needs a rework to be a viable end game choice. + A few ice damage sets to be added to the game.
Using a destruction staff for tanking doesn't make any sense either. Destruction isn't a defensive magic school, and ice isn't an inherently tanky element in TES
Yep. But we have to play with what we got.
No.. we don't.
what do you mean? we do though. im saying we have to make do for now as there isnt going to be another patch for a little while. we have pushed for changes but we have to wait to see if anything happens now.Edited by ESO_Nightingale on December 25, 2018 2:14AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If they would just make a skill have a morph that taunts, and one that does not, then Tanks or DPS could use the staff as they see fit. It could be an easy shift in the Elemental Bonus addition that Destro Staff Force Pulse come with.
Right now, all the Ice sets in the game are considered useless to me because I won't use an Ice Staff. Shame as I like playing a Frost Wizard.
Susceptibility is a good choice, it already has major breach and it's a useless morph.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX1