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Damage Shield Capped for X% Maximum Health, Bastion CP is Now Useless
Lord_Eomer
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After #NerfMire, I stopped playing Magicka Sorcerer DPS.
With 17k Health and 55K Magicka, I am getting maximum damage shield of 8.5k regardless of points using on Bastion.
Bastion is pretty much useless CP now for a DPS.
Edited by Lord_Eomer on December 22, 2018 8:35PM With 17k Health and 55K Magicka, I am getting maximum damage shield of 8.5k regardless of points using on Bastion.
Bastion is pretty much useless CP now for a DPS.
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✭✭✭✭✭How dare you think that a wizard should use magic to protect themselves! Murkmire is simply trying to instruct you to be a warrior (push health and resists) instead of a mage. Oh. . . wait. . . .
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✭✭✭✭✭Yepp, removed all points from Bastion on my Mag Sorc and put them elsewhere ...
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lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭PvP wise you just put what you put in bastion and get or crit resist but PvE it's crapDC PC NA
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✭✭✭✭✭It's a terrible change.
I'm.now more tanky as a sorc lol. I've lost damage / sustain to compensate.
Before i was yolo glass cannon no impen, pop when wards down dead. Now I'm harder to kill with wards down all that changed is i wasted a ton of mats on impen gear lol
Oddest change ever.Xbox One | EU | EP
Beardimus : VR16 Dunmer MagSorc [RIP MagDW 2015-2018]
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Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
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Bëardimus : L43 Dunmer Magsorc / BG
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✭I've said this before, but I'll repeat it here. If I only use hardened ward and dampen magic in PvE I'll still hit the 50% cap even with 0 points in Bastion (with less than 40k magicka and around 17k health), so you're right Bastion is pretty much useless for a DPS in PvE land, but it is still useful for other playstyles since all other damage shields that do not have an explicit cap are still decently affected by Bastion. For instance, Bastion will still improve the Iceheart set's damage shield, the restoration staff skill Steadfast Ward's damage shield, the support ultimate Barrier's damage shield, etc.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Burn/Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Heal- Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Inferno/Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Rage of the Ursauk jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Crushing Shock/Storm Pulsar, Streak, Flame/Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Fire/Storms, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build) and Fiery/Thunderous Rage.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Mother Ciannait's (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Max Mag Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), CP restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and CP ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact for regular and NoCP build/Oblivion's Foe for dot build (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Max Mag Enchants). Knight Slayer/Pariah jewelry/Plaguebreak for dot build (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant for regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build. Sharpened for dot build)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Empowered Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that only utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (Infused/shock enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Lover for penetration when playing a sorc or temp.
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Thaumaturge, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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✭✭✭✭✭I now put all those points into light armor focus and spell shield.
Bastion really is pointless now. Neither in pve nor pvp, it brings me anything.
Bastion should probably be changed entirely. Shattering blows should be adjusted from 25% to 15% damage against shields and bastion should give up to 15% less damage taken on shields. Since 15% passives scale horribly, most people would settle at 10%ish, as everything else would be a waste of points. I think 10% damage resistance on shields is helpful, but not overperforming.
Obviously the best way would be to raise shield caps. 40% on annulment ? That's pathetic. 60% would be more reasonable and would still leave room for bastion to boost values, for many builds anyway.Edited by Dracane on December 22, 2018 11:11PMAuri-El is my lord,
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »After #NerfMire, I stopped playing Magicka Sorcerer DPS.
With 17k Health and 55K Magicka, I am getting maximum damage shield of 8.5k regardless of points using on Bastion.
Bastion is pretty much useless CP now for a DPS.
It case it was missed in the hundreds of other Sorc forums threads ... and hundreds of "take CP out of bastion" posts:
ZOS wanted Sorcs to have a trade-off between damage and protection. ZOS did not want Sorcs with both high damage output and high damage-resisting shields (resulting from a high magicka pool).
My Magicka Sorc didn't like the changes either.
But, some Sorc players are able to adapt and move on ... while others are still stuck in September 2018 (when the changes were announced).
This thread is way late to the party.
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✭✭✭✭✭I thought the OP here would have some incitful and novel information instead of the same information new have known for over 2 months now and already posted in dozens of threads.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »After #NerfMire, I stopped playing Magicka Sorcerer DPS.
With 17k Health and 55K Magicka, I am getting maximum damage shield of 8.5k regardless of points using on Bastion.
Bastion is pretty much useless CP now for a DPS.
It case it was missed in the hundreds of other Sorc forums threads ... and hundreds of "take CP out of bastion" posts:
ZOS wanted Sorcs to have a trade-off between damage and protection. ZOS did not want Sorcs with both high damage output and high damage-resisting shields (resulting from a high magicka pool).
My Magicka Sorc didn't like the changes either.
But, some Sorc players are able to adapt and move on ... while others are still stuck in September 2018 (when the changes were announced).
This thread is way late to the party.
Yet Sorcerers did not need these adjustments. Sorcerer damage was neither great in pve, nor pvp. In fact, it has been horrible for the longest time in pvp. They have no sustained pressure and their burst is obvious and has been nerfed many times. Directly as well as indirectly.
So Sorcerers never needed any of this. The old ways allowed them to stack some damage stats in order to be able to maintain a decent kill potential. But that has gotten even worse now.Auri-El is my lord,
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✭✭I've said this before, but I'll repeat it here. If I only use hardened ward and dampen magic in PvE I'll still hit the 50% cap even with 0 points in Bastion (with less than 40k magicka and around 17k health), so you're right Bastion is pretty much useless for a DPS in PvE land, but it is still useful for other playstyles since all other damage shields that do not have an explicit cap are still decently affected by Bastion. For instance, Bastion will still improve the Iceheart set's damage shield, the restoration staff skill Steadfast Ward's damage shield, the support ultimate Barrier's damage shield, etc.
If you are running too much shields in PVE then there is no DPS you are going to do,
as Magicking Sorc DPS rely on Ward as Damage Shield.
Bastion may be helpful for healers etc. but i doubt they mostly put any CP there, in a broader view this CP is a waste now.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »I've said this before, but I'll repeat it here. If I only use hardened ward and dampen magic in PvE I'll still hit the 50% cap even with 0 points in Bastion (with less than 40k magicka and around 17k health), so you're right Bastion is pretty much useless for a DPS in PvE land, but it is still useful for other playstyles since all other damage shields that do not have an explicit cap are still decently affected by Bastion. For instance, Bastion will still improve the Iceheart set's damage shield, the restoration staff skill Steadfast Ward's damage shield, the support ultimate Barrier's damage shield, etc.
If you are running too much shields in PVE then there is no DPS you are going to do,
as Magicking Sorc DPS rely on Ward as Damage Shield.
Bastion may be helpful for healers etc. but i doubt they mostly put any CP there, in a broader view this CP is a waste now.
I would go so far as to say it was always a waste. You get way more protection from Ironclad, thick skinned, elemental defender and Hardy. If you have the correct points into these, you get ~33% damage reduction that applys to wards AND heath, passively. Put all the extra points into quick recovery, makes you tankyer as well. All my toons have 8% into it.2 -
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✭✭The fix for this problem is to allow bastion to bypass the 40% of max health cap shields have now. by a certain amount at very least.Edited by dazee on December 24, 2018 6:05AMPlaying your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.1 -
Icarus42✭✭✭Bastion still works for healing ward and ward ally...
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Icarus42✭✭✭You put enough points into bastion you can get healing ward up close to cap then multiply by 300% my ward can get up to 21000k in strength right now coupled with high magic it gets pretty stronk…
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Icarus42✭✭✭21k is the highest I have gotten it just messing around but in a more realistic set up I have it sitting at around 18k full strength. Very good when you are in a tough spot. It still gets melted pretty fast but if you add another shield it gives your crappy heal a chance to put you back in the fight..Ebonheart Pact - PC NA - Magicka Sorcerer0
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Icarus42✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »
Yeah you are correct I mainly pvp so..Ebonheart Pact - PC NA - Magicka Sorcerer0 -
Icarus42✭✭✭I also do some pve and use only ward for the big hits it is still pretty useful..Ebonheart Pact - PC NA - Magicka Sorcerer0
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✭✭✭havent played really since nerfmire dropped. tried new build, trials and pvp. Sorc is trash now and for me at least that means so is the game. havent done anything in game but farm and talk to guildies. If i dont see some major love for sorc from zeni in 21 im done. game uninstalled0 -
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✭✭A wise man recently said "Wait Odovacar, one last thing... take your F'n points out of bastion and redistribute now, they're useless"
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