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Eso should up its game.
Unit117
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I think eso should up its game and the immersion factors. Less censorship. I really noticed this watching game of thrones. The game of thrones felt so refreshing because it displayed the world what it would actually be like. It feels like we are playing through a filtered lense. It would be nice to embrace the world of tameriel for what it would actually be like.
I really want to spend my time in this cities and really live them.
Deep dialect, more conversations, actual shops that off players stuff that is actually useful. Shops are a joke as they are. More activities in the towns like mini games. More bard songs, actual adventurer guildhall, armies, jobs that players can take in the cities and be a part of. Storytellers, bustling venues, and more. Also more recipes and better ingredients. There should be diffrent types of fish to cook, diffrent seasonings that you actually make.
We should have a option to up the maturity. That changes the world with cursing, allow nudity, red light districts, more reastic blood.
I want the immersion dial notched up to ten. Make living in the world more of a experince
I really want to spend my time in this cities and really live them.
Deep dialect, more conversations, actual shops that off players stuff that is actually useful. Shops are a joke as they are. More activities in the towns like mini games. More bard songs, actual adventurer guildhall, armies, jobs that players can take in the cities and be a part of. Storytellers, bustling venues, and more. Also more recipes and better ingredients. There should be diffrent types of fish to cook, diffrent seasonings that you actually make.
We should have a option to up the maturity. That changes the world with cursing, allow nudity, red light districts, more reastic blood.
I want the immersion dial notched up to ten. Make living in the world more of a experince
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BuddyAces✭✭✭✭✭
✭.......They nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
I'm blown away by the utter stupidity I see here on the daily. - Wrekkedd11 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Your request would grow the complexity of the game exponentially and the game servers as they sit now can barely handle it.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.4 -
Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭Sorry I prefer actual real life to living in a game world like some creeper."Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
So you want to be a game developer? Here is the best way to go about it.1 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is a crazy idea if you have anything to do with creating the world you are asking for.
The level of interaction and randomness that you would want is literally that every single NPC in the game would have to be self aware and they would have to know about every other npc in order to be able to fit into systems.
You basically have just watched westworld and want that in a video game. Its not real on that show and its not real in videogamesTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.3 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dani dies, Euron destroys King's Landing with a kraken, and Winterfell becomes the new capital city of Westeros.
There. Now you can focus on enjoying this particular fantasy world a little more.
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BlackSparrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Two things.
One: Game of thrones is a TV series based on a very long series of books. The requirements for fleshing out a world in a linear book are WAAAAY different than in an open-world video game. A book author just has to add detail to the parts of the world that the characters interact with. Open-world game devs have to add detail to everything the player might want to do ever. Seriously, if even a door is shut without reason, gamers will notice it and complain about it. This is extremely labor-intensive, so yeah, open world video games generally have to go breadth over depth. It's why railroady, story-based games tend to be deeper: because the lack of breadth allows the creators to focus just on what the player sees.
Two: technically, the two are in different subgenres. The Elder Scrolls is standard fantasy. Game of Thrones is dark fantasy. Half of the appeal of Game of Thrones is that it breaks from standard genre conventions by going into darker, grittier, and more adult aspects in a genre that is usually about escapism.
And secret option three? Despite that, the Elder Scrolls games do touch on adult themes; they just don't tend to go in-depth. Murder, slavery, nudity... they've all been in Elder Scrolls games in spades. They're just not in your face like it is with GoT, because the game also keeps to the brighter tones of regular fantasy.Edited by BlackSparrow on December 15, 2018 11:20PMLiving vicariously through my characters.
My Girls:"If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"
Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rather than asking an established game to fit your specific desires for immersive role-playing, why not try to find a game that already does that? Or, if you want to stick with ESO, try to find an RP guild that does that sort of content?
Because ZOS does have a policy applicable to this - they won't redo visual aspects of the game unless they are actually broken.
Therefore, it would have to be new content, or this would require an entire rework of the game to fit your desire. Either one makes it unlikely to happen unless your desires are also held by a majority of paying customers.0 -
Dr3sden✭✭✭censorship is definitely bad as it has consequences shown throughout history. On that note mini games sounds fun. Still waiting for frog quest to be an mini game2
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Unit117✭✭✭✭✭@BlackSparrow I think eso touches close to a dark fantasy. They really aren’t that far off. Eso just needs to hop the fence lol dark fantasy has always been my tasteEdited by Unit117 on December 15, 2018 11:26PM0
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭censorship is definitely bad as it has consequences shown throughout history. On that note mini games sounds fun. Still waiting for frog quest to be an mini game
LOL.
I get a laugh out of the people who think that being expected to follow the TOS and the Code of Conduct they agreed to, or ESO following its Maturity Rating type is problematic censorship.
Is it censorship? Sure, technically.
Is it a problem? If you think so, don't agree to it, and go play another game.1 -
Unit117✭✭✭✭✭@VaranisArano do you know of any games like that though? Bethesda seems to be the only one that does quality fantasy open world games. I’m really dying for a new one. I’m pretty much waiting for starfield right now
Also I think dr3sden is referring to the effects of censorship throughout history. Not the game specifically.Edited by Unit117 on December 15, 2018 11:35PM1 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hey i'm 100% behind the idea, don't get it twisted that I think is the basis of all peoples love of video games, we are just about 15-20 years away from being able to produce it.
Skyrim works because there is 1 unknown variable in the entire game, you.
In a game like this, its exponentially more complicated because of all the different situations players can put themselves inTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.2 -
Dr3sden✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »censorship is definitely bad as it has consequences shown throughout history. On that note mini games sounds fun. Still waiting for frog quest to be an mini game
LOL.
I get a laugh out of the people who think that being expected to follow the TOS and the Code of Conduct they agreed to, or ESO following its Maturity Rating type is problematic censorship.
Is it censorship? Sure, technically.
Is it a problem? If you think so, don't agree to it, and go play another game.
Op really isn't talking about censorship... He is talking about having more immersion and engagment in game. This could a desire to continue to enjoy a well made product or a sign of moving on. Still all can be solved...with spell crafting.1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@VaranisArano do you know of any games like that though? Bethesda seems to be the only one that does quality fantasy open world games. I’m really dying for a new one. I’m pretty much waiting for starfield right now
The game that came to mind was Witcher 3. Its not the same open world feel as say, Skyrim, but its got a much greater depth of interactions and more adult themes if that's what's more important to you.
Not fantasy but Western, but still having those in depth interactions and adult themes, Red Dead Redemption 2 looks to be in the same vein with a decent open world aspect.
If the Bethesda open world is more important than fantasy or the quality interactions, Fallout 4 does that aspect of Skyrim with more adult themes since its the apocalypse. It would probably take mods to bring it up to Game of Thrones TV show level of "maturity" though.
I guess where I look at this is that if ESO leaves you unsatisfied for those reasons, I don't see that changing. A good RP guild interested in that stuff might help if you don't want to try another game. I know some of the Dunmer RP guilds deal with slavery, etc. And I'm sure there are ERP guilds out there for the adult themes too.1 -
Unit117✭✭✭✭✭@VaranisArano yeah I had put a ton of time into Witcher 3. It was a beautiful game. I loved it
Same with fallout, I wish the fallout 4 world was more lively the areas were dull to me though. I’m hoping Bethesda’s next game takes immersion deeper.
I have not played rdr2 though. It looks beautiful but I absolutely hate cowboy western games. I grew up on cowboy stuff watching it everyday with my grandparents. I could die for a fantasy game like that though
But I understand what you mean. I tried RP guild though and it’s no good for me. The best way I can describe it. Is wanting to experince living on your own but the best you can do is play house. While it’s the same idea, it consciously kills the immersion, and separates you from the world.
I’m really just caught in limbo looking for immersive fantasy world experince these last couple years. I watch a billion anime’s on them and I’m still trying to find a game. Lol0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@yodased I guess that’s true, but it could mostly be prescripted or have set trees that are followed. That way the players variables are limited and always predicted. Atleast for now lol 🙂
I'm not a game developer so I'm just coming at this from a systems engineering angle. The amount of branching trees that would exist I don't even want to napkin math that.
Think 10,000,000 players, and lets give it around number of 10,000 NPC (MUCH more likely this is way lower)
So you would have 10,000,000x10,000xY(choices)xZ(outcomes)
there just isn't a system on the planet that could handle that type of logic parsing, plus you are not even taking into consideration what happens to that brothel you are in when another player walks into it.
Would it shift suddenly into another situation? Would they have to stop doing whatever you are doing to interact with that player? If they ignore him thats great for you, but immersion breaking for them. If they interact with them and ignore you, its immersive for them and crap for you. Not to mention they would have to hold all of this variant data while they are interacting with the other NPCs and the environment.
We just don't have the capability to simulate life yet.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
Dr3sden✭✭✭@VaranisArano yeah I had put a ton of time into Witcher 3. It was a beautiful game. I loved it
Same with fallout, I wish the fallout 4 world was more lively the areas were dull to me though. I’m hoping Bethesda’s next game takes immersion deeper.
I have not played rdr2 though. It looks beautiful but I absolutely hate cowboy western games. I grew up on cowboy stuff watching it everyday with my grandparents. I could die for a fantasy game like that though
But I understand what you mean. I tried RP guild though and it’s no good for me. The best way I can describe it. Is wanting to experince living on your own but the best you can do is play house. While it’s the same idea, it consciously kills the immersion, and separates you from the world.
I’m really just caught in limbo looking for immersive fantasy world experince these last couple years. I watch a billion anime’s on them and I’m still trying to find a game. Lol
Just wait for VR to catch up to our dreams. SAO I await...I mean ESO.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OP is suggesting adding several more game systems. Considering the state of the ones we have now that does not sound like a great suggestion.
Beyond that, devs need to decide what will be in their game. What they can handle managing and think is worth the effort. The game cannot try to be everything to everyone as that would be a total failure.
It is better to go for quality than quantity and currently we lack quality in a few areas like GF.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭There is a difference between watching movies/tv series and playing video games. Video games are interactive movies/tv series are not. When You watch some movie or read some book You're not part of the story You're just observing it , You have no control over main character. it's not coincidence there is barely any movie (not even mentioning tv series) based on video game that could be called very succesfull.Edited by Juhasow on December 16, 2018 12:12AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@VaranisArano yeah I had put a ton of time into Witcher 3. It was a beautiful game. I loved it
Same with fallout, I wish the fallout 4 world was more lively the areas were dull to me though. I’m hoping Bethesda’s next game takes immersion deeper.
I have not played rdr2 though. It looks beautiful but I absolutely hate cowboy western games. I grew up on cowboy stuff watching it everyday with my grandparents. I could die for a fantasy game like that though
But I understand what you mean. I tried RP guild though and it’s no good for me. The best way I can describe it. Is wanting to experince living on your own but the best you can do is play house. While it’s the same idea, it consciously kills the immersion, and separates you from the world.
I’m really just caught in limbo looking for immersive fantasy world experince these last couple years. I watch a billion anime’s on them and I’m still trying to find a game. Lol
Just wait for VR to catch up to our dreams. SAO I await...I mean ESO.
Ugh. I have vertigo already. Anything comes out in VR, I won't be playing it....Just go play Witcher 3.
I think OP said he already had.0 -
Unit117✭✭✭✭✭@yodased I think that’s alittle much but think about it like this. You treat every player the same. Just make it 1. You add 75 new npcs to the world. You can copy those same scripts to other ones in diffrent cities. From those. Some Will have no choices to be made and are just active, others may just 4 phrases and offer diffrent menus, and maybe 15 of those would have more options to be made and are dynamic characters.( With maybe 5 of those being important and more of the level of Skyrim wife.
If you lol at it like that and just recycle them In cities. It’s no longer a impossibility. It’s work but not impossible. 🙂
Things like brothels can use tricks like using seperate instances, or you talk to one of the npcs that leads you to a private room that is its own instance. That way players can’t come in or just your group. If that’s your thing lol it’s similar. The one from fallout 3 I believe it was comes to my mind. It could be similar experince just more detailed.
It doesn’t have the craziest life like experience yet. It’s just trying to touch as close as they can in reason
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Dr3sden✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »@VaranisArano yeah I had put a ton of time into Witcher 3. It was a beautiful game. I loved it
Same with fallout, I wish the fallout 4 world was more lively the areas were dull to me though. I’m hoping Bethesda’s next game takes immersion deeper.
I have not played rdr2 though. It looks beautiful but I absolutely hate cowboy western games. I grew up on cowboy stuff watching it everyday with my grandparents. I could die for a fantasy game like that though
But I understand what you mean. I tried RP guild though and it’s no good for me. The best way I can describe it. Is wanting to experince living on your own but the best you can do is play house. While it’s the same idea, it consciously kills the immersion, and separates you from the world.
I’m really just caught in limbo looking for immersive fantasy world experince these last couple years. I watch a billion anime’s on them and I’m still trying to find a game. Lol
Just wait for VR to catch up to our dreams. SAO I await...I mean ESO.
Ugh. I have vertigo already. Anything comes out in VR, I won't be playing it....Just go play Witcher 3.
I think OP said he already had.
Metoo but they might come with a soultion to virtual motion sickness and it's inner ear unbalance.0
