Why cant every trial just have a solo version?

coolermh

I don't really like PVE but I can do it. I want the gear trials offer but dont want to join a trial guild or deal with that crap. Why can they just make a single player version of all the trials so I can just do them solo to get the gear. Like Vet Malestorm? I mean make it hard if you want. Most good pvp players would eventually beat it. You don't have to form groups to get pvp gear nor is it account bound. Kinda stupid that if you want some BIS pvp gear you have to join a pve trial guild.

Danksta

Just get some of your PvP buddies together and farm the trials.

Jhalin

You’re making a mountain out of a molehill. You don’t have to join any guild, just go to crag or summerset and pug into trial runs until you’ve got gear.

There’s no way to turn content 12 player groups into a single player instance with completely destroying the essence of the thing, and there’s no reason to either tbh

coolermh

Danksta wrote: »

Just get some of your PvP buddies together and farm the trials.

I dont have friends... they all quit. I just want to do bgs. Seriously though why should we have to group up to do content? Ugh.

Jhalin

coolermh wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Just get some of your PvP buddies together and farm the trials.

I dont have friends... they all quit. I just want to do bgs. Seriously though why should we have to group up to do content? Ugh.

This is a multiplayer game and you’re complaining about grouping up...

coolermh

Jhalin wrote: »

You’re making a mountain out of a molehill. You don’t have to join any guild, just go to crag or summerset and pug into trial runs until you’ve got gear.

There’s no way to turn content 12 player groups into a single player instance with completely destroying the essence of the thing, and there’s no reason to either tbh

I want a DSA staff. I have most the other weapons from when my guild was active. I can't do it solo. Pug groups will likely get destroyed in vet dsa.

coolermh

Jhalin wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Just get some of your PvP buddies together and farm the trials.

I dont have friends... they all quit. I just want to do bgs. Seriously though why should we have to group up to do content? Ugh.

This is a multiplayer game and you’re complaining about grouping up...

I like killing other people not playing with them

Rain_Greyraven

I don't want the game to became a single player game, so Trials are fine, what I do want is for Zenimax to lose the idiotic homage to EQ with the public Dungeon nonsense...at the very least allow pre made groups to have their own instance.

coolermh

Or the could drop stupid account bound BS on items.. Then I could just buy gear from the PVErs just like there buying spell strat stuff from me all the time.

Danksta

coolermh wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Just get some of your PvP buddies together and farm the trials.

I dont have friends... they all quit. I just want to do bgs. Seriously though why should we have to group up to do content? Ugh.

Your friends were smart. Also curious what gear in trials is BiS for PvP..

Joker99

At this point you might as well ask for the gear to be placed in your inventory without doing anything at all, cause the chances of it happening are as big as what you ask for.

coolermh

Danksta wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Just get some of your PvP buddies together and farm the trials.

I dont have friends... they all quit. I just want to do bgs. Seriously though why should we have to group up to do content? Ugh.

Your friends were smart. Also curious what gear in trials is BiS for PvP..

Mag Warden can utilize the Masters staff in DSA well.

Xerikten

I am all for a solo option for a trial so one can see the story provided that you do NOT get any trial gear at ALL.

Jhalin

coolermh wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Just get some of your PvP buddies together and farm the trials.

I dont have friends... they all quit. I just want to do bgs. Seriously though why should we have to group up to do content? Ugh.

This is a multiplayer game and you’re complaining about grouping up...

I like killing other people not playing with them

Then you’re in the wrong game, plain and simple.

Groups are required for group content. That’s not changing any time soon, nor should it

coolermh

Jhalin wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Just get some of your PvP buddies together and farm the trials.

I dont have friends... they all quit. I just want to do bgs. Seriously though why should we have to group up to do content? Ugh.

This is a multiplayer game and you’re complaining about grouping up...

I like killing other people not playing with them

Then you’re in the wrong game, plain and simple.

Groups are required for group content. That’s not changing any time soon, nor should it

Fine then maybe should drop account bound. Why should PVP gear be unbound but trials gear be bound?

El_Borracho

Run a PUG. Much easier then demanding they alter the entire game to suit your needs.

Oh, my bad. I see you are a PVPer. Demanding that all aspects of the game conform to you and you alone is a prerequisite.

BretonMage

Xerikten wrote: »

I am all for a solo option for a trial so one can see the story provided that you do NOT get any trial gear at ALL.

But... is it effort or social skills that is being rewarded here?

I've heard this mentioned from time to time, and I don't see why one can't have the option of equally difficult content, but in solo mode.

Danksta

coolermh wrote: »

Or the could drop stupid account bound BS on items.. Then I could just buy gear from the PVErs just like there buying spell strat stuff from me all the time.

If you're on PS4/NA I could hook you up with some people that sell carries, including for vDSA.

Sandman929

coolermh wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Just get some of your PvP buddies together and farm the trials.

I dont have friends... they all quit. I just want to do bgs. Seriously though why should we have to group up to do content? Ugh.

This is a multiplayer game and you’re complaining about grouping up...

I like killing other people not playing with them

Then you’re in the wrong game, plain and simple.

Groups are required for group content. That’s not changing any time soon, nor should it

Fine then maybe should drop account bound. Why should PVP gear be unbound but trials gear be bound?

This is a good point, but it's going to be ignored. Bind on Pick-up will sadly always be there because ZOS can equate people playing content with people enjoying content.

coolermh

El_Borracho wrote: »

Run a PUG. Much easier then demanding they alter the entire game to suit your needs.

Oh, my bad. I see you are a PVPer. Demanding that all aspects of the game conform to you and you alone is a prerequisite.

I did do PVE...for a bit but then I realized it is static...bosses do the same thing mobs act the same. Learn the pattern after a bit and you win. Not really very challenging. At least playing against people there will always be someone doing something different. There will always be someone better then you. You will always lose at times and there is constant dynamic challenge.

I did do Vet malestorm again the other day. It was fairly challenging I died a few times eventually I beat it. I could probably go back and do better but then I realized...I'm just doing the same thing over again. Mobs will spwan in the same spot and do the same skill and act the same way. Some people enjoy that and it totally fine. Some people hate pvp and thats totally fine. Play your way right. Thats ESO. Why am I forced to do content I do want to play the gear I want so I can play my way in pvp. Why is gear in PVE bound? PVP gear is not bound even when it clearly meant for pve (spell strat).

Ohh well rant over. I guess I will have to look for some people to dsa with. Ugh...

El_Borracho

Sandman929 wrote: »

This is a good point, but it's going to be ignored. Bind on Pick-up will sadly always be there because ZOS can equate people playing content with people enjoying content.

Because they want people to do the content. Otherwise, the game becomes a pay to win. While it is frustrating to have to repeatedly run something like Hel Ra for an AY dagger or jewelry, the alternative is allowing players to sell it. Which, as you may have noticed, is a massive issue for things like jewelry crafting.

Also, how many times have you run into a player who is CP 780 or 810 or whatever and realized they got there by being a dolmen farmer who has no idea what they are doing? Add in the ability for one of these players to buy Relequen, AY, Siroria, Alkosh, Master's weapons, etc. gear and you have created an entire population of players just waiting to wreck a trial, dungeon, or campaign.

By running the trials, dungeons, and the occasional (mind numbingly boring vDSA) players tend to get better at playing. I know I have.

Sandman929

El_Borracho wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

This is a good point, but it's going to be ignored. Bind on Pick-up will sadly always be there because ZOS can equate people playing content with people enjoying content.

Because they want people to do the content. Otherwise, the game becomes a pay to win. While it is frustrating to have to repeatedly run something like Hel Ra for an AY dagger or jewelry, the alternative is allowing players to sell it. Which, as you may have noticed, is a massive issue for things like jewelry crafting.

Also, how many times have you run into a player who is CP 780 or 810 or whatever and realized they got there by being a dolmen farmer who has no idea what they are doing? Add in the ability for one of these players to buy Relequen, AY, Siroria, Alkosh, Master's weapons, etc. gear and you have created an entire population of players just waiting to wreck a trial, dungeon, or campaign.

By running the trials, dungeons, and the occasional (mind numbingly boring vDSA) players tend to get better at playing. I know I have.

Hmmm...I've always thought of pay to win as paying actual money for advantages that can't be obtained in game. Selling in game sets for in game gold doesn't strike me that way at all, that's just a game economy.

El_Borracho

Sandman929 wrote: »

Hmmm...I've always thought of pay to win as paying actual money for advantages that can't be obtained in game. Selling in game sets for in game gold doesn't strike me that way at all, that's just a game economy.

I suppose its how you view it. Fpr example, right now in PVE the AY weapons/jewelry combo is the best. Its also kind of a pain to get. Plus, almost every stamina player wants it. I would imagine a single AY dagger could go for at least 500,000 and people would line up to buy it. Seeing as you need 2 of those, plus 3 gold jewelry pieces, its not unreasonable to think the whole set could go for over 2-3 million in gold.

There are only 2 types of players who have 2-3 million in gold to spend in this game: the ones who play it to amass that money and the type who buy crowns to sell for gold. Given that economy exists, pay to win would be an issue. Not to go all slippery-slope, but if trials gear is no longer bound, what would stop ZOS from making the vMA bow or staves unbound?

While its sometimes annoying to farm repeatedly for one piece, I prefer it over the alternative.

Colecovision

Xerikten wrote: »

I am all for a solo option for a trial so one can see the story provided that you do NOT get any trial gear at ALL.

Good lord, why? It can be harder than vMA and yet you want no rewards at all because it's different than how you like to play. Honestly, what is the deal with this board and people being so insistent on other people not getting to have things? I'll accept a greater challenge for the same reward and yet people say no.

Guess what? I'm farming the first boss in nAA solo. Does it ruin your experience knowing that I am doing that? Oh no! How will you go on?

Do you even want me on your trial team? I'm a stamblade wearing bone pirates and hundings. I have 2 protective rings and I mix resistance monster sets to take on heavy hitting bosses. That's a cookie cutter fake dps build right there. Only thing left is to go 2h instead of dw.

Look, I'd happily pay $50 for a solo expansion that takes the trials and tones them down. I don't want easy! I want harder than being one of 12. And can I please get a weapon for soloing nDSA? When that guy "evens the odds" even on normal, you better bring it or enjoy your death screen. Keep in mind, I'm already a fake dps with all that resistance I run.

To all the "but it's an mmo" people, so what? Us single player gamers were invited, told this would be a different mmo and our money taken, just like yours. We do love those world bosses and base dungeons, even vet. Zos did great with that, but in terms of gear, something every 2 years would be nice. vMA was here before I was. Nothing added since.

AlnilamE

coolermh wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Just get some of your PvP buddies together and farm the trials.

I dont have friends... they all quit. I just want to do bgs. Seriously though why should we have to group up to do content? Ugh.

This is a multiplayer game and you’re complaining about grouping up...

I like killing other people not playing with them

Then you’re in the wrong game, plain and simple.

Groups are required for group content. That’s not changing any time soon, nor should it

Fine then maybe should drop account bound. Why should PVP gear be unbound but trials gear be bound?

I think mostly because PvPers need gold so being able to sell their loot to other players is useful to them. PvErs get gold from things they kill and vendoring trash.

That said, have you tried running a trial? I have heard of people soloing the first boss in AA, and I'm guessing the first boss in HRC would be OK as well. After that you are sort of blocked.

In SO, you can probably go quite far with maybe one or two people.

El_Borracho

Colecovision wrote: »

Guess what? I'm farming the first boss in nAA solo. Does it ruin your experience knowing that I am doing that? Oh no! How will you go on?

But... why? Are you that opposed to running with a PUG? nAA is the easiest of trials, plus if you are farming it, you will greatly increase your odds of getting the gear you want. Most of the gear in there is either garbage, group-oriented gear, or Defending Warrior, a good PVP set. Which leads me to believe you want Defending Warrior, something in nAA people freely give up.

If you want the challenge of soloing stuff, nobody is stopping you. This is essentially the same as someone demanding vMA have a group option because they want the challenge of doing it with their friends. Maybe, like you, they do. Or it could be like the OP, who wants it because they want a more convenient way to get the gear.

kargen27

coolermh wrote: »

I don't really like PVE but I can do it. I want the gear trials offer but dont want to join a trial guild or deal with that crap. Why can they just make a single player version of all the trials so I can just do them solo to get the gear. Like Vet Malestorm? I mean make it hard if you want. Most good pvp players would eventually beat it. You don't have to form groups to get pvp gear nor is it account bound. Kinda stupid that if you want some BIS pvp gear you have to join a pve trial guild.

MMOs survive on content being repeated and by players being involved in a variety of activities. The bind on pick-up aspect of the game is designed first to get players into certain content and with the random drops have them repeat that content. I know several players who would have never ventured into PvP land if they didn't need caltrops. Some found out they actually liked PvP. Forcing players into some PvP to get a skill they need is good for the long term health of the game. Same with gear being locked behind content. Sure some players are going to hate it but some might find they really enjoy it, again good for the game.

If we could all just pick and choose the content we want to play and still get everything we wanted we would get bored with the game much quicker.

kathandira

coolermh wrote: »

I don't really like PVE but I can do it. I want the gear trials offer but dont want to join a trial guild or deal with that crap. Why can they just make a single player version of all the trials so I can just do them solo to get the gear. Like Vet Malestorm? I mean make it hard if you want. Most good pvp players would eventually beat it. You don't have to form groups to get pvp gear nor is it account bound. Kinda stupid that if you want some BIS pvp gear you have to join a pve trial guild.

This is incorrect. As has been pointed out, you can simply PuG into a Trial group by just hanging out in Craglorn or Summerset and waiting till someone posts a LFM message in Zone Chat.

As well, since you pointed out that you don't like to be social, you absolutely don't have to. Just look up a video on how to defeat each boss so you know what to do, and perform your role. You don't have to say a single word, and you can more or less mute the entire group and listen to music while burning through the Trial. You can even do this in vDSA if you want that staff.

I've had plenty of pickup players join a Trial of mine, and no say a single word, and performed well enough to not feel like a burden.

EvilAutoTech

I have always been of the opinion, however unpopular, that the best gear in an MMO should be gated behind the most difficult solo content.

I'm not being elitist, I'm certainly not the best player, but I don't think you should be able to be carried and claim superior rewards. If you want the best gear, get good enough to get it for yourself.

That being said, leave the trials for groups. If you don't want to run them, don't. Find something that will be almost as good for your build and use that.

kathandira

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

I have always been of the opinion, however unpopular, that the best gear in an MMO should be gated behind the most difficult solo content.

I'm not being elitist, I'm certainly not the best player, but I don't think you should be able to be carried and claim superior rewards. If you want the best gear, get good enough to get it for yourself.

That being said, leave the trials for groups. If you don't want to run them, don't. Find something that will be almost as good for your build and use that.

Agreed. Though ESO simply doens't have that sort of mentality for the most part. vMA goes that direction, but they do cater to the casual crowd to ensure the content they create is accessible to the majority of the player base.

BoneShatterer

because it owuld be impossible to solo? you arent not in WOW or EQ here you are in eso, the only game where old content will benever soloable xd