Ravager set and flurry

Amorpho

Why is Ravager not procced by flurry and its morphs? Shouldn't it work like with jabs? After all its mele damage...

technohic

It should IMO. Can remember trying it on a sorc and being sorely disappointed. Knowing the devs though; they will see that it is not the same and make it not work on jabs to match, making the set worthless; then adding a new set on the next DLC.

Sparr0w

Only thing I can see is Flurry is 7m range, Jabs is 6m range.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Sparr0w wrote: »

Only thing I can see is Flurry is 7m range, Jabs is 6m range.

Jabs is a 8x6 box in front of you. Pretty sure that is 8 meters out and 6 wide.

Amorpho

Hence what I mean. It should definitely work on flurry

Thogard

Ravager doesn’t proc from jabs.

Ravager procs from burning light (Templar DD passive) which itself is procced from jabs.

Take away the burning light passive and you’ll find that jabs and flurry behave the same for ravager.

Amorpho

Thogard wrote: »

Ravager doesn’t proc from jabs.

Ravager procs from burning light (Templar DD passive) which itself is procced from jabs.

Take away the burning light passive and you’ll find that jabs and flurry behave the same for ravager.

Oh wow, had no idea! Is it worth running it on a Stamplar then?

supaskrub

@Thogard
Are you sure Ravager procs from burning light?.. by your suggestion that it does then burning light should proc Ravager from Blazing Spear, which after myself mindlessly tossing blazing spear at the 3m dummy from full to zero health (did it twice) it never proc’ed Ravager once, Jabs was pretty consistent but rng of course.

@Amorpho
If it’s for a Stamplar you can proc Ravager a lot by using Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs and Deadly Cloak, each of those will proc it and you’l get pretty good uptime.

Thogard

supaskrub wrote: »

@Thogard
Are you sure Ravager procs from burning light?.. by your suggestion that it does then burning light should proc Ravager from Blazing Spear, which after myself mindlessly tossing blazing spear at the 3m dummy from full to zero health (did it twice) it never proc’ed Ravager once, Jabs was pretty consistent but rng of course.

@Amorpho
If it’s for a Stamplar you can proc Ravager a lot by using Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs and Deadly Cloak, each of those will proc it and you’l get pretty good uptime.

Javelin is not melee and the burning light from it wouldn’t be either.

What I wrote has been tested many times. The first jab in jabs can proc ravager because the first tic of any dot counts as a DD. Check your proc rate with and without burning light passive.

@TheYKcid did the test about 3 months ago iirc.

supaskrub

Thogard wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

@Thogard
Are you sure Ravager procs from burning light?.. by your suggestion that it does then burning light should proc Ravager from Blazing Spear, which after myself mindlessly tossing blazing spear at the 3m dummy from full to zero health (did it twice) it never proc’ed Ravager once, Jabs was pretty consistent but rng of course.

@Amorpho
If it’s for a Stamplar you can proc Ravager a lot by using Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs and Deadly Cloak, each of those will proc it and you’l get pretty good uptime.

Javelin is not melee and the burning light from it wouldn’t be either.

What I wrote has been tested many times. The first jab in jabs can proc ravager because the first tic of any dot counts as a DD. Check your proc rate with and without burning light passive.

@TheYKcid did the test about 3 months ago iirc.

But that’s counter to what you said earlier in the thread (I’m not nit picking btw it’s just confusing)

Thogard wrote: »

Ravager doesn’t proc from jabs.

Ravager procs from burning light (Templar DD passive) which itself is procced from jabs.

Take away the burning light passive and you’ll find that jabs and flurry behave the same for ravager.

So I removed Burning Light and went back to the dummy, there’s no difference, Ravager procs on first hit with or without burning light and with no discernible difference and it does not proc on hits 2,3 or 4.

I can’t really test it any further as on console I don’t have the addons to look deeper into i, I know my testing isn’t flawed so the only explanation I can see is that since 3 months ago something was either broken or fixed.

DCanadianBacon

Weird thing is, Ravager also procs off of Blade Cloak and it's morphs, but Hurricane does not proc Ravager.

Zelos

Yep thogard is right:) burning light is the reason. jabs and flurries attacks are over time and not direct(excluding the first strike) so it wouldnt proc ravager:)

MaxJrFTW

It doesn't proc red diamond neither. I reported this a while ago and it wasn't fixed. Obviously they don't care.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/437997/flurry-doesnt-trigger-ravager-or-red-diamond

Thogard

supaskrub wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

@Thogard
Are you sure Ravager procs from burning light?.. by your suggestion that it does then burning light should proc Ravager from Blazing Spear, which after myself mindlessly tossing blazing spear at the 3m dummy from full to zero health (did it twice) it never proc’ed Ravager once, Jabs was pretty consistent but rng of course.

@Amorpho
If it’s for a Stamplar you can proc Ravager a lot by using Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs and Deadly Cloak, each of those will proc it and you’l get pretty good uptime.

Javelin is not melee and the burning light from it wouldn’t be either.

What I wrote has been tested many times. The first jab in jabs can proc ravager because the first tic of any dot counts as a DD. Check your proc rate with and without burning light passive.

@TheYKcid did the test about 3 months ago iirc.

But that’s counter to what you said earlier in the thread (I’m not nit picking btw it’s just confusing)

Thogard wrote: »

Ravager doesn’t proc from jabs.

Ravager procs from burning light (Templar DD passive) which itself is procced from jabs.

Take away the burning light passive and you’ll find that jabs and flurry behave the same for ravager.

So I removed Burning Light and went back to the dummy, there’s no difference, Ravager procs on first hit with or without burning light and with no discernible difference and it does not proc on hits 2,3 or 4.

I can’t really test it any further as on console I don’t have the addons to look deeper into i, I know my testing isn’t flawed so the only explanation I can see is that since 3 months ago something was either broken or fixed.

So you’re saying burning light from jabs isn’t proccing ravager?

Ravager procs from Meles DDs. Every dot’s first tic counts as a DD though.

I know they messed with jabs last patch maybe they changed burning light too, I’ll have to test again when I get home.

Amorpho

So, is Ravager procced by burning light or not?? Some say yes and others say no. Is Ravager a viable set for stamplar in PVP?

supaskrub

Amorpho wrote: »

So, is Ravager procced by burning light or not?? Some say yes and others say no. Is Ravager a viable set for stamplar in PVP?

For me it is not.. with or without burning light passive active Ravager is proc’ing on the first tic only of jabs which for me is expected behaviour, it procs from any tic of blade cloak and from first hit of slashes and of course light and heavy attacks.. have not tried flurry but tbh if it was going to proc from that it should/would only be on the first hit, easy way to test it is just to spam flurry and watch for the Ravager icon on your buff timer (presuming console).

Amorpho

supaskrub wrote: »

Amorpho wrote: »

So, is Ravager procced by burning light or not?? Some say yes and others say no. Is Ravager a viable set for stamplar in PVP?

For me it is not.. with or without burning light passive active Ravager is proc’ing on the first tic only of jabs which for me is expected behaviour, it procs from any tic of blade cloak and from first hit of slashes and of course light and heavy attacks.. have not tried flurry but tbh if it was going to proc from that it should/would only be on the first hit, easy way to test it is just to spam flurry and watch for the Ravager icon on your buff timer (presuming console).

Yes, I've done that and flurry just doesn't proc Ravager. Should I then stick to a set like Automaton instead?

supaskrub

Thogard wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

@Thogard
Are you sure Ravager procs from burning light?.. by your suggestion that it does then burning light should proc Ravager from Blazing Spear, which after myself mindlessly tossing blazing spear at the 3m dummy from full to zero health (did it twice) it never proc’ed Ravager once, Jabs was pretty consistent but rng of course.

@Amorpho
If it’s for a Stamplar you can proc Ravager a lot by using Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs and Deadly Cloak, each of those will proc it and you’l get pretty good uptime.

Javelin is not melee and the burning light from it wouldn’t be either.

What I wrote has been tested many times. The first jab in jabs can proc ravager because the first tic of any dot counts as a DD. Check your proc rate with and without burning light passive.

@TheYKcid did the test about 3 months ago iirc.

But that’s counter to what you said earlier in the thread (I’m not nit picking btw it’s just confusing)

Thogard wrote: »

Ravager doesn’t proc from jabs.

Ravager procs from burning light (Templar DD passive) which itself is procced from jabs.

Take away the burning light passive and you’ll find that jabs and flurry behave the same for ravager.

So I removed Burning Light and went back to the dummy, there’s no difference, Ravager procs on first hit with or without burning light and with no discernible difference and it does not proc on hits 2,3 or 4.

I can’t really test it any further as on console I don’t have the addons to look deeper into i, I know my testing isn’t flawed so the only explanation I can see is that since 3 months ago something was either broken or fixed.

So you’re saying burning light from jabs isn’t proccing ravager?

Ravager procs from Meles DDs. Every dot’s first tic counts as a DD though.

I know they messed with jabs last patch maybe they changed burning light too, I’ll have to test again when I get home.

@Thogard
I am saying exactly that, now keep in mind I’m on console so every single test of easily in excess of a 100 tests is done by what I see on screen and the buff timer.

Jabs appears to proc ravager on first hit only, it’s hard to call if it procs on the 2nd but 3rd and especially the 4th hit would be easy to see.

When ravager procs and jabs animation finishes it is exactly 8 seconds that is left on ravager according to buff timer (every time) if it proc’ed on the last I would ....

... see it proc as the delay would be obvious, but most importantly animation would stop and leave me with 9 seconds of ravager showing on the buff timer.

As I said before other than rng of when ravager procs there is no discernible difference with or without burning light passive active. It always appears to be first hit.

Thogard

supaskrub wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

@Thogard
Are you sure Ravager procs from burning light?.. by your suggestion that it does then burning light should proc Ravager from Blazing Spear, which after myself mindlessly tossing blazing spear at the 3m dummy from full to zero health (did it twice) it never proc’ed Ravager once, Jabs was pretty consistent but rng of course.

@Amorpho
If it’s for a Stamplar you can proc Ravager a lot by using Rending Slashes, Biting Jabs and Deadly Cloak, each of those will proc it and you’l get pretty good uptime.

Javelin is not melee and the burning light from it wouldn’t be either.

What I wrote has been tested many times. The first jab in jabs can proc ravager because the first tic of any dot counts as a DD. Check your proc rate with and without burning light passive.

@TheYKcid did the test about 3 months ago iirc.

But that’s counter to what you said earlier in the thread (I’m not nit picking btw it’s just confusing)

Thogard wrote: »

Ravager doesn’t proc from jabs.

Ravager procs from burning light (Templar DD passive) which itself is procced from jabs.

Take away the burning light passive and you’ll find that jabs and flurry behave the same for ravager.

So I removed Burning Light and went back to the dummy, there’s no difference, Ravager procs on first hit with or without burning light and with no discernible difference and it does not proc on hits 2,3 or 4.

I can’t really test it any further as on console I don’t have the addons to look deeper into i, I know my testing isn’t flawed so the only explanation I can see is that since 3 months ago something was either broken or fixed.

So you’re saying burning light from jabs isn’t proccing ravager?

Ravager procs from Meles DDs. Every dot’s first tic counts as a DD though.

I know they messed with jabs last patch maybe they changed burning light too, I’ll have to test again when I get home.

@Thogard
I am saying exactly that, now keep in mind I’m on console so every single test of easily in excess of a 100 tests is done by what I see on screen and the buff timer.

Jabs appears to proc ravager on first hit only, it’s hard to call if it procs on the 2nd but 3rd and especially the 4th hit would be easy to see.

When ravager procs and jabs animation finishes it is exactly 8 seconds that is left on ravager according to buff timer (every time) if it proc’ed on the last I would ....

... see it proc as the delay would be obvious, but most importantly animation would stop and leave me with 9 seconds of ravager showing on the buff timer.

As I said before other than rng of when ravager procs there is no discernible difference with or without burning light passive active. It always appears to be first hit.

so you didn't check the proc rate, only the timing of how long is left on the ravager buff after it procs... and you did that on console?

the way you test this is by comparing the proc rates... not trying to see when the buff goes active. especially since you have no way of measuring it other than eyeballing it.

does your buff timer do decimals?

supaskrub

The proc rates are no different as I said... I can go ten times consecutively without it proc’ing with or without Burning Light, just as easily as I can proc it twice on the trot. What I would expect to see is Burning Light proc’ing ravager randomly between jabs 1-4 with the passive activated.

We have no metric on console to show an uptime percentage, buff timer doesn’t show decimals either, but ravager is not proc’ing for definite on the third or fourth jab (again with or without burning light), it’s hard to see if it procs on the second but it appears to only proc on the first.

@Amorpho
Have you considered veiled or fury?

TheUrbanWizard

Ravager profs off Crit rush as well if your close enough

ThePlayer

I have not yet tested it with templar stamina, but this set is currently under evaluation, i tested it with the DK stamina and it works very well, i reach a weapon dmg of 5350, while with the berserking i stop at 4650 of weapon dmg.

John_Falstaff

ThePlayer wrote: »

I have not yet tested it with templar stamina, but this set is currently under evaluation, I tested it with the DK stamina and it works very well, I reach a weapon dmg of 5350, while with the berserking I stop at 4650 of weapon dmg.

You mean Berskering Warrior? Of course weapon damage will be lower, Berserking gives critical chance, not weapon damage. And is it average weapon damage or max damage in combat metrics? You can calculate average contribution of Ravager by just looking at its uptime in the right pane. On stamina DK, I couldn't get very high uptimes post-update.

Amorpho

supaskrub wrote: »

The proc rates are no different as I said... I can go ten times consecutively without it proc’ing with or without Burning Light, just as easily as I can proc it twice on the trot. What I would expect to see is Burning Light proc’ing ravager randomly between jabs 1-4 with the passive activated.

We have no metric on console to show an uptime percentage, buff timer doesn’t show decimals either, but ravager is not proc’ing for definite on the third or fourth jab (again with or without burning light), it’s hard to see if it procs on the second but it appears to only proc on the first.

@Amorpho
Have you considered veiled or fury?

If ravager is so ineffective, I am thinking about using automaton instead. Anyway, on a brief conversation with a youtuber, he makes the case that ravager works best in outnumbered situations since the first hit of jabs may hit multiple targets and increase your proc chance.

Thogard

Can someone else please test ravager proc rage on burning light? It would be odd for them to change it without telling anyone.

I’m at the airport now and can’t test for a while

ThePlayer

I wrote about average weapon dmg, i have to check the average contribution.
I use the light attack rotation with the DK stamina.

Now i am curious about the templar stamina, coz even with templar i want to use the ravaging set; well in the end i going to use both (ravaging and berserking, with the relequen) coz the final dps is more or less the same but ravaging give more health and with the redguard is not bad especially in trial group where you can use the food instead of drink, if you can take up the stamina of course.

Amorpho

Anyone done any conclusive testing to see if the passive Burning Light procs Ravager?