Bring back major expedition on BOP.

Actually_Goku

I’ve just returned after a 3 month hiatus.

2 seconds of major expedition on one of the Warden’s signature abilities? Seriously? It’s hard to find ways to move in a non slow-waddle fashion as it is (without slotting an ability that offers nothing other than speed)

Way to make a class-defining ability next to useless.

Is there any Warden class reps? I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone had gone “hey guys, I think we should nerf the utility of one of our best abilities by 75%”

Oh well, time to go back Stamblade

Royaji

First of all it is 4 seconds and not 2. Considering all the changes to Major Expedition in general it does not feel like Wardens suddenly became slower than everyone else. The speed has gone down overall. And I really wouldn't call passive Minor Berserk "nothing other than speed".

Oh, and stamblade also has 4 seconds of Major Expedtion...

idk

Pretty much ^^^^

The changes are in line with all other class/gear/skill and potion related changes made for that buff while in combat.

p00tx

With the current state of the Spin-to-win Stamwarden meta in Cyrodil right now, I don't think Stamdens have ANY reason to complain about anything. After having to face tank group after group of 15-20 of you guys all teamed up and spinning toward me like a team of demented ballerinas, all while throwing bugs and chickens and waves of Dawnbreakers at me, I have zero sympathy for you guys.

mdylan2013

p00tx wrote: »

With the current state of the Spin-to-win Stamwarden meta in Cyrodil right now, I don't think Stamdens have ANY reason to complain about anything. After having to face tank group after group of 15-20 of you guys all teamed up and spinning toward me like a team of demented ballerinas, all while throwing bugs and chickens and waves of Dawnbreakers at me, I have zero sympathy for you guys.

Agreed. It’s always the usual no skill suspects doing it, certainly on PS4 EU anyway

ESO_Nightingale

p00tx wrote: »

With the current state of the Spin-to-win Stamwarden meta in Cyrodil right now, I don't think Stamdens have ANY reason to complain about anything. After having to face tank group after group of 15-20 of you guys all teamed up and spinning toward me like a team of demented ballerinas, all while throwing bugs and chickens and waves of Dawnbreakers at me, I have zero sympathy for you guys.

yeah stamden didn't need those buffs. we didn't know why they got them when they were in a good place. But us MAGdens got royally screwed over with this change. We now have no real mobility in our class. Templars even have a gap closer and so do DK, Nightblade too. everything that uses stam has the gapcloser's in weapons. Even Sorc has bolt escape for mobility. We have an ally gap closer used only on healers....? Adding back the major expedition changes is needed for the survival of Magden and also to stop the irritating snare meta so we can focus on ice as a DPS element rather than an annoying snare which is all it is good for at the moment. Mark my words. If the expedition changes come back, Ice Magden's will go back to being really niche. when we told the reps about Magden they agreed and listed it to ZOS but ZOS decided to nerf Magden and then buff Stamden and Magden in the same places? wtf? we are struggling at the moment. we did NOT need a nerf. bear, flies and blast were uncalled for. flies does ONLY raw damage and isn't overpowered whatsoever! And bear was absolutely disgusting. we said to the reps: "we are too dependant on bear, we would like to use Northern Storm as a viable ultimate" BUT ZOS NERFED THE CRAP OUT OF BEAR INSTEAD OF MAKING THAT ULTIMATE MORE WORTHWHILE!!!!! Falcon's Swiftness was a change implemented alongside other class ones. I understand that you dont like stamden, that's fine but WE didn't ask for those buffs to Stamden. we basically said to the reps "stamden is in a good spot, they maybe need bug fixes but that's it". We didn't even ask for the netch changes, which, while nice, I would prefer reverting to last patch to this one. This is not to say it was all bad. They did fix deep fissure's cost and they made SCR worth using but they gutted our movement, our best dps ultimate in PvE and removed one of frost tank's defining skills! Arctic Blast! why!!!!!??!!?!?? that skill was great! it wasn't without flaws but people absolutely loved the skill. It had such an amazing chance to proc chilled on enemies at around 30%! it was a motif of the warden class just stripped away! this is why I am promoting the Arctic Wind Master Plan! to give the people back what they want! It will make that trash-tier stun worth something! (slow projectile, blockable, dodgeable, very expensive, tiny heal on magden and no damage!!!!)

Back to the topic at hand, Falcon's Swiftness. or, Major Expedition. They NEED to revert the changes to ALL of the major expedition sources on the class skills. Swift jewellery was the problem and to some extent, potions too. NOT class Major Expedition.

_Ahala_

Easy fix... Falcons Swiftness should grant 1s additional major expedition uptime per piece of light armor worn

kojou

_Ahala_ wrote: »

Easy fix... Falcons Swiftness should grant 1s additional major expedition uptime per piece of light armor worn

That would be out of balance with other skills, but I would love it for my magicka Warden.