Would like to share a funny dungeon experience

humpalicous

Let me start by saying that I'm not a top-level player but I consider myself a good all around healer, tank and DD depending on which role I play. That said, I'd like to share a funny experience I had with a group running normal WGT. Here's the lowdown:

- The total group dps was horrendous, I was pulling around 8-10k as a healer which was on average 30 % of the total damage output (according to combat metrics).
- We had a "tank" with 44k health who was dual weilding 2 daggers. He/she only did one thing: spam Flurry.
- Since the tank never bothered to taunt anything, I spent 30 % of my time with bosses and adds in my face, as a healer. But it wasn't that big of an issue, it was normal after all.
- And since he/she never bothered to taunt, the other dd's kept on dying, which meant that I was rezzing a lot. On normal again.

But we manage to get by, I die once to the Planar Inhibitor when she follows me with the flames, snaring me and all adds on me as well. No taunt from the "tank".

Then we get to Molag Kena and this is where it gets absurd.

The lovely tank keeps doing his thing, spamming flurry on the boss (even when she is in shield phase). The DD's keep dying to lightning and I keep on rezzing them. So, I'm juggling the tasks of rezzing allies, healing everyone, damaging boss, watching out for lightning, killing the adds that spawn, facetanking the boss 30 % of the time.

I end up doing around 4k dps, as a healer, while rezzing everyone and facetanking Molag Kena. I ended up with 49 % of the damage output.

Once again, this was on normal!

So please, to everyone entering ques as a tank and never bothering to taunt, stop. It's just a bad experience for everyone involved, I just chose to laugh at this and see it as a funny thing.

Rant over!

BoraxFlux

Lol, group chemistry varies greatly indeed.

Planar Inhibitor has it's challenges, can only be taunted by activating the sphere (if I remember correclty) in the middle of the room, not by other means alas, also random party-members will be chosen to close daedra portals, something the group has absolutely no control over...and sometimes it's the tank. I remember having to run like mad with my sword and shield, to damage the portals while the dds and the healer did their best to finish that boss.

Next time I entered that particular area as a tank-turned dps, with a bow

COFFAN

Cool story bruh... j/k that is some crazy story

Sylvermynx

Well.... there's likely a really good reason the tank hadn't slotted a taunt: s/he didn't WANT to have to deal with bosses and adds, much less Kena!

I mean that's a good reason from the tank's POV, not yours of course. Glad you managed to gitterdone though!

SydneyGrey

Welcome to my world

therift

I'll bet you had 3 experts of the dolmens of the Alik'r with you

SHADOW2KK

Could just do dungeons with friends or guildies, never understood the attraction behind going into content with pugs tbh hehe.

thanoscopter

- The total group dps was horrendous, I was pulling around 8-10k as a healer which was on average 30 % of the total damage output (according to combat metrics).
- We had a "tank" with 44k health who was dual weilding 2 daggers. He/she only did one thing: spam Flurry.
- Since the tank never bothered to taunt anything, I spent 30 % of my time with bosses and adds in my face, as a healer. But it wasn't that big of an issue, it was normal after all.
- And since he/she never bothered to taunt, the other dd's kept on dying, which meant that I was rezzing a lot. On normal again.

Are you sure the tank wasn't fed up at another low DPS dungeon finder group? Perhaps he decided to put on dual wield daggers to mimic what he felt your DPS was doing or not doing (a rotation).

ZeroXFF

Being a healer in PUGs is the most frustrating thing ever. I'm still having nightmares about the one vFG2 run I did on my warden about a week ago. I'm never healing PUGs again.

Not tanking a lot lately either for the same reasons, though tanking is definitely less frustrating than healing, because then I at least don't have to work as hard to keep myself alive when everything goes to $***.

r34lian

Lmao had kind of same case yesterday in vet dungeon where I was on my tank and one of dps was max cp who was deliberately running and pulling the adds thinking he was superior apparently he pulled the first boss and both he and low cp 210 dps died so me and healer left him to die and I only rezed lower cp dps he got mad and left group 😆😆

Minyassa

Ugh, I'm glad you can laugh. That is the kind of thing that would make me laugh too but it would be an insane Joker laugh more appropriate for throttling the daylights out of some fool.

DarcyMardin

Speaking of tanks...I finally got into a random normal with the groupfinder. It was an easy one—Tempest Island. Not sure what happened to our tank, but he or she wasn’t making any attempt to taunt. In fact, the alleged tank hung so far that they were greyed out for most of the dungeon. The DDs were high CP and running ahead with my level 35 warden healer chasing after them, but it was fine, no problems. On the last boss the tank finally joined us, but not to tank. Anyway, cake, and I finally got my first mysterious box. But since I don’t use the dungeon finder often, this may have been my first experience with a fake tank.

humpalicous

thanoscopter wrote: »

- The total group dps was horrendous, I was pulling around 8-10k as a healer which was on average 30 % of the total damage output (according to combat metrics).
- We had a "tank" with 44k health who was dual weilding 2 daggers. He/she only did one thing: spam Flurry.
- Since the tank never bothered to taunt anything, I spent 30 % of my time with bosses and adds in my face, as a healer. But it wasn't that big of an issue, it was normal after all.
- And since he/she never bothered to taunt, the other dd's kept on dying, which meant that I was rezzing a lot. On normal again.

Are you sure the tank wasn't fed up at another low DPS dungeon finder group? Perhaps he decided to put on dual wield daggers to mimic what he felt your DPS was doing or not doing (a rotation).

This could have applied if he didn't have 44k health and kept on spamming Flurry. 44k health means that he's wearing heavy armor and probably has almost all his attribute points into health as well, which in the end means a lower damage output even with a proper rotation.

Also spamming Flurry and nothing else to me is just mindless and clearly shows that he was A) Trolling us or Doesn't know how to properly perform in ESO.

But I understand your logic, and it could have applied if he at least did a proper rotation of skills and could survive on his own without my heals

Finviuswe

Don't have to be good man. I mean what a lot of players have accomplished, maybe some never will.

I always said that it was the community that was most important. The collective group.

Malcadicta

Best experience of this event was when I queued as tank - I'm sort of medium tier player I'd say and I generally mostly play as dd (my main), quite enjoy healer and sometimes do a competent tank (which means - I will taunt things and not die but that's about it. It was normal anyway.)


We had a lovely group of three people between 20-40 and my cp toon so I generally assumed it's gonna take a while longer (I mean I get it, some things you can't jump over till you level up). It quickly turned out I was doing about 2k damage - again, pure tanky build, designed for dungeons only and no solo play and I was taking it to vets recently and needed survavibility - and according to combat metrics I was doing around 20% damage. Oh boy, I thought.

It was all going sort of fine... Long, but fine plus I didn't want to risk dungeon finder again with all the problems, till the final boss of Volenfell which just healed itself faster then dds could do damage (and it still healed itself after I explained how to interrupt her leeching thing). On normal. We wouldn't die because it's hard to die there as tank to be honest. After all we wiped on purpose, I wanted to change up my build so that I could do some more damage and the dd called us all incompetent people who don't know how to play, insulted us all some more and left. Another dd left as well.
Then we killed that boss after 5 minute wait for new players (I do admit the healer was good).

Sooo… I prefer healer to tank tbh. At least as healer I can sort of play dd if I need to.

susmitds

Malcadicta wrote: »

Best experience of this event was when I queued as tank - I'm sort of medium tier player I'd say and I generally mostly play as dd (my main), quite enjoy healer and sometimes do a competent tank (which means - I will taunt things and not die but that's about it. It was normal anyway.)


We had a lovely group of three people between 20-40 and my cp toon so I generally assumed it's gonna take a while longer (I mean I get it, some things you can't jump over till you level up). It quickly turned out I was doing about 2k damage - again, pure tanky build, designed for dungeons only and no solo play and I was taking it to vets recently and needed survavibility - and according to combat metrics I was doing around 20% damage. Oh boy, I thought.

It was all going sort of fine... Long, but fine plus I didn't want to risk dungeon finder again with all the problems, till the final boss of Volenfell which just healed itself faster then dds could do damage (and it still healed itself after I explained how to interrupt her leeching thing). On normal. We wouldn't die because it's hard to die there as tank to be honest. After all we wiped on purpose, I wanted to change up my build so that I could do some more damage and the dd called us all incompetent people who don't know how to play, insulted us all some more and left. Another dd left as well.
Then we killed that boss after 5 minute wait for new players (I do admit the healer was good).

Sooo… I prefer healer to tank tbh. At least as healer I can sort of play dd if I need to.

You can also DPS as tank. Just change to your PvP setup.

Xerikten

so you soloed it with 3 pets.

as people run their alts for randoms, you are going to see more and more of this.

this is why i only run these with my guildies. at least we tell each other what to expect with certain said alts.

NocturnalSonata

I think this event is giving newer players a wonky perspective on Pugs, insofar, that every normal Pug i played so far during this event i have yet to find a proper healer or tank instead of 4 dd's, except twice. 1) i was a healer. and 2) i was tank. I know a lot of Pugs have fake healers/tanks entering anyway, but nothing compared to right now.

Still it is nice to see some players getting their toes wet for maybe the first time (had this yesterday). Although it is quite amusing to watch someone repeatedly die on one of the easiest dungeons, it seems 300cp is indeed an arbitrary reflection of skill. You have to question: do you actually slot some form of defense at all?

It really does suggest that overland is just too easy; non dlc normal dungeons are not much harder, but this event is not actually helping people learn anything, as even 1 mediocre DD will carry a team of casuals and make the dungeon seem face-roll easy. An actually team of casuals would be more enjoyable for them i think. I remember being a casual (im elevated to mediocre these days) and doing MHK with 3 other casuals, boy did we struggle, but the gratification on completing it was huge, still the most fun i have had to date. I dont think this event is really having that effect.

As far as "Mr spin to win weird tank"... Look at it as an exercise in your own ability. I had a similar situation as a DD on WGT a while ago, i was freaking out the whole time, and eventually failed hard, until the other DD (who never seemed to be doing anything) left, and was replaced, and then it was smooth sailing. But still it was a bit humbling as realized i was clearly under preforming which is why i took the time to get better.

Salvas_Aren

Once I pugged with my usual raidpartner for a vet. He was a real tank, me an offhealer.

We had to kick a DD who did 30% of the group DPS. That was what he claimed.

What happened? The other DD did 10%, leaving 60% to healer and tank, while doing the heal and tank job. The 30% guy protected the 10% and did not let us kick him. The 10% guy was stupid enough to votekick his protector, so we ended up finishing the dungeon with 2 new mates and something I would reasonably call *real DPS*.

Long story told short: I feel with you.

macsmooth

I can sympathise with this completely, I was on my healer today built to heal and everything else a healer should be doing

We ran fungal 2 vet and the tank was a wood elf with dual wield and bow but don’t think I remember the bow being used once, so no taunt going on at all this was a CP810 so obviously a PVPer that queued as a tank to beat the queue

The other two DDs were good CP810 each of them one was mag did the other spent the whole run in wolf pack form, didn’t have a issue they were not to bad the damage was actually good

But I spent the whole fights spamming heal after heal to keep them alive which I did good with up to the spider boss (you can’t heal people who stay in the shock zone) and the last boss (again can’t heal people who stay in the growing pit of death) I put up with staying because I hadn’t died every five seconds

We did finish the dungeon on vet hard mode so you think great but I am pretty sure that was because every key press was a heal from me all of the time I was also lucky not to be face tanking any of the bosses

The best bit at the end the fake tank goes anyone for crypt 2 vet....... leave group straight away there are bosses in that dungeon that actually need taunting and not doing that one with fake tanks

The point is it happens on vet all the time but I like to take my tanks in because I know the bosses that can be taunt will be taunt and debuffed

Trinity_Is_My_Name

LOL. Yep! Fun times in PUGs! Cannot taunt the Planar Inhibitor wench after popping the Pinion. Once that happens the player that popped it is "It" until the next person pops it...and on and on. But yes, fun times! LOL.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

BoraxFlux wrote: »

Lol, group chemistry varies greatly indeed.

Planar Inhibitor has it's challenges, can only be taunted by activating the sphere (if I remember correclty) in the middle of the room, not by other means alas, also random party-members will be chosen to close daedra portals, something the group has absolutely no control over...and sometimes it's the tank. I remember having to run like mad with my sword and shield, to damage the portals while the dds and the healer did their best to finish that boss.

Next time I entered that particular area as a tank-turned dps, with a bow

True but two players get the Rifts now so it's easier to close them.

FrancisCrawford

I always queue as a healer, unless @DarcyMardin and I are queuing together and she takes the healing role.

So far I've had 2 runs in about 10 this year when the healer had something significant to do other than DPS -- both times it was in "2" dungeons. One was in Crypt of Hearts 2, where nobody seemed to know a good strategy for the 2nd to last boss, and rather than talking or thinking about it we just wiped a few times until we burned through him. (One answer to how to do it, by the way, turns out to be in the thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5638737#Comment_5638737).

The other was Banished Cells 2, where both DDs at various times took damage and needed healing from Darcy.

But outside of those runs I've only gotten easy dungeons. Even when my healer does >40% of the damage they don't take long.

macsmooth

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

I always queue as a healer, unless @DarcyMardin and I are queuing together and she takes the healing role.

So far I've had 2 runs in about 10 this year when the healer had something significant to do other than DPS -- both times it was in "2" dungeons. One was in Crypt of Hearts 2, where nobody seemed to know a good strategy for the 2nd to last boss, and rather than talking or thinking about it we just wiped a few times until we burned through him. (One answer to how to do it, by the way, turns out to be in the thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5638737#Comment_5638737).

The other was Banished Cells 2, where both DDs at various times took damage and needed healing from Darcy.

But outside of those runs I've only gotten easy dungeons. Even when my healer does >40% of the damage they don't take long.

The best strategy I can give you for the second to last boss is and I have done this twice this weekend once with a newer group to the dungeon and once with a team of more experience

You section the boss off into corners each person picks a corner and stays with that corner, when the boss pulls you in and drops you the tanks stays mid while the other three roll backwards to their corner that way you shouldn’t get any crossover of red. The funny thing is it is easier if one person dies and stays dead then you section the boss off in to triangle

With the newer team it took three tries before everyone got the hang of it but the experience team did it first try

When it comes to banishing cells 2 I am guessing your on about the last boss where the tank needs to taunt the adds and just take them for a walk while the two DDs burn the boss and the healer needs to flit between the tank and DDs with the heals

zaria

Random normal on stamblade got ICP and she who missed the dungeon so double bonus.
"Tank" but with inner light and no healer but I slotted vigor and magplar slotted bol after first boss, fun run as dps was high.
Tank on nMoS, also good group finished quest as the vet run as tank failed.

Magsorc healer, normal BC1, other healer had probably gotten kicked, one low level rest medium cp, weak group but ok for normal. Main issue was lack of healing. Ran into the same the first day there we went directly to vet wayrest1 as its an easy dungeon and pledge, no healer so unable to do HM, weirdly one was an magic build and could simply backbar an resto staff.