Hybrid DK with up to 6500 Spell and Weapon Damage Outnumbered Gameplay

SkysOutThizeOut

By far my most favorite way to play the DK to date. Hybrid DK displaying 2 different setups: One with 5500 WD/SD and another with 6500 WD/SD. All videos are outnumbered gameplay. 1vX, 2vX, 3vX, 5vX, 6vX. We beat some of everyones favorite EP, AD, and DC zerg guilds. Thanks for the awesome gameplay Laynon, Gunzork, DevilSpawn, Rajin, Animation Canceling, Faded, Balocay, MatheusESO, TBoy, and Umasaki.

https://youtu.be/qE_2NExaPVg

Sevn

Nice vid, I love using and seeing other hybrids in action! I have a couple myself, man are they fun to play.

Neloth

Now I want to see build itself.

GG!

Metemsycosis

Me too. Beautiful gameplay. My only DK is a hybrid, so you gave me inspiration

Casul

Neloth wrote: »

Now I want to see build itself.

GG!

As far as gear goes I think it is blood spawn, pilenials, 7th legion.

Sarousse

BuildMan wrote: »

As far as gear goes I think it is blood spawn, pilenials, 7th legion.

You won't reach 6500 mp with this setup. I'd say balorg / pelinal / ravager (or clever alchemist).

Kadoin

People keep believing hybrids are not strong...This patch hybrids will rule in due time. CP PvP at least

ATomiX96

Kadoin wrote: »

People keep believing hybrids are not strong...This patch hybrids will rule in due time. CP PvP at least

Because they arent...
You have to waste 1 Set to bring your wd and sd even, you have to split blue CP, lets not even talk about Armor pen...

You know.. everything looks good when you are farming potatoes

Sevn

Kadoin wrote: »

People keep believing hybrids are not strong...This patch hybrids will rule in due time. CP PvP at least

Wasting your time, just wait until some streamer comes up with one and you will see a change of attitude. Of this I have no doubt. There are a bunch of new sets that really make hybrids practical in lots of content.

Thogard

But what if you didn’t have to use pelinals.

Clever alch boosts both already
Balorgh boosts both already
Shackle boosts both already (in its own way)
Wep enchant boosts both already

Igneous boosts both already (20% major brutality and sorcery buff if you pick that morph)
Not sure if DK earthern heart gives minor sorcery and minor brutality or just the latter

But.... it seems feasible, especially in nocp, that someone could do it without running pelinals.

Xsorus

What benefit are you getting going hybrid? You get to use whip? But you can pretty much use two handers execute to do similar damage?

Thogard

Xsorus wrote: »

What benefit are you getting going hybrid? You get to use whip? But you can pretty much use two handers execute to do similar damage?

I imagine it’s the healing from whip / embers

Kadoin

Sevn wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

People keep believing hybrids are not strong...This patch hybrids will rule in due time. CP PvP at least

Wasting your time, just wait until some streamer comes up with one and you will see a change of attitude. Of this I have no doubt. There are a bunch of new sets that really make hybrids practical in lots of content.

You're right about that...I dont use Pelenial's and my hybrid's damage is very close to pure builds. I find it especially hard to justify a pure build on my DK for PvP when both stam and mag DK feel like they are lacking all the time...

Xsorus wrote: »

What benefit are you getting going hybrid? You get to use whip? But you can pretty much use two handers execute to do similar damage?

I'd imagine he is aiming for a massive healing from whip? I've seen the heal go past 20K tooltip on my DK (honestly surprised it has not been nerfed or capped yet, yet another one of ZOS' failings...)

One advantage for me is that I don't have to fear absorb magic and negate magic, since most of my chars tilt towards magicka. That's a massive benefit for me.

If I'm using a medium hybrid, better rolling, sneak, 25% AoE damage reduction, etc. are not bad things to gain even at the expense of cost reduction, crit, and penetration in light armor. In fact, it's not hard to justify using medium on a pure mag build in PvP, which says a lot about ZOS' idea of balance . Medium armor healers are already around on PC NA, and I expect them to grow in number...

I also can access to all the other benefits stam has over mag and vice-versa and use whatever skill or combination of them I want. You'd be surprised at what is really possible for a hybrid and just how broken they can really become. All hybrids have gained power in PvP over the last patches because of ZOS' nerfs and will continue to do so...

Personally, I like them because they make the best troll builds and let me play pranks on people...

SkysOutThizeOut

Whip, embers, cinderstorm, coag blood, cauterize. Lots of different heals. Heals that heal while on the offense. If anyone bothered to look closely at the latter part of the video they would have seen kena procs. That set is currently the difference between heal tanks living and dying. Blood spawn is just much better for open because you don’t have to worry about proc’ing it, but proc’ing kena is pretty easy with a 7meter range.

SkysOutThizeOut

@Kadoin definitely wouldn’t say lash is broken. Especially on the mag dk. Because as you said the mag dk struggles something fierce right now compared to the start of the year. 20k tooltip heal halved is 10k (a typical sorc shield). 45% defile almost immediately halves it to 5500. Usually on a straight mag setup you are sacrificing a little bit of something to achieve such a large whip.

BaylorCorvette

Can confirm that this build hits hard. Straight up rolled us with that group. Pretty impressive really.

Casul

Thogard wrote: »

But what if you didn’t have to use pelinals.

Clever alch boosts both already
Balorgh boosts both already
Shackle boosts both already (in its own way)
Wep enchant boosts both already

Igneous boosts both already (20% major brutality and sorcery buff if you pick that morph)
Not sure if DK earthern heart gives minor sorcery and minor brutality or just the latter

But.... it seems feasible, especially in nocp, that someone could do it without running pelinals.

This made me curious so I ran it through a build editor, found this out.

Helm - Balorgh - heavy - prismatic
Shoulder - Balorgh - heavy - prismatic
Chest - CA - heavy - prismatic
Gloves - CA - medium - prismatic
Belt - CA - light - prismatic
Legs - CA - heavy - prismatic
Boots - CA - heavy - prismatic

Ring1 - shackle - triune - stamina recovery
Ring2 - shackle - triune - stamina recovery
Neck - shackle - triune - stamina recovery

Axe - shackle - nirn - foulness
Sword - shackle - infused - weapon damage

Tristat food and lover mundus and vampire

Unbuffed im at (non pvp)

25.6k hp
28.1k mag
26.7k Stam

231 HR
806 MR
1456 SR

2156 SD
2236 WD

30% crit for both

19k SR
16k PR
3134 CR

Penetration are 6k spell, 2.7k physical
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But here’s the kicker, fully buffed. (Balorgh at 125, CA, infused weapon damage)

Weapon and spell damage are at 4.3k and 4.2k respectively.

(Balrogh at 500 is 5.2k and 5.1k)

I ran it with a bleed based dot idea and here are some tool tips (4K spec)

Blood craze: 11317 over 9
Engulfing flame: 11737 over 10
Burning ember: 17606 over 10.5
Flames of oblivion: 6819
Ferocious Leap: 16926

Cp wasn’t super optimized, I could change it up and push penetration up to the 10k realm with some adjustment. But overall looks decent for a non pelinial hybrid.

Cool idea.

SkysOutThizeOut

@BaylorCorvette thanks. Luckily I was surrounded with players that have better mechanics than I.

SkysOutThizeOut

@BuildMan sb can give you major fracture and breach. And remember pelinial only needs to be on one bar... not both.

Casul

SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »

@BuildMan sb can give you major fracture and breach. And remember pelinial only needs to be on one bar... not both.

Very true, I do not run hybrids because I play better as a specialized build. But when the idea was presented I figured I could run the numbers just to see how viable it would be. Honestly the only hybrid I ever made was a high elf sorcerer who was running medium armor with a 2h, but used necropotence. So i ended up with ~35000 magicka. I just used that for hardened ward and clannfear heals. Was fun but definitely not my cup of tea.

SkysOutThizeOut

@BuildMan I only see hybrid truly benefitting in terms of heals. It’s a great alternative to tankyness, sustain, utility, and in a dk’s case healing in the offense. Because stam heals alone on a medium armor build are lackluster.

Xsorus

SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »

Whip, embers, cinderstorm, coag blood, cauterize. Lots of different heals. Heals that heal while on the offense. If anyone bothered to look closely at the latter part of the video they would have seen kena procs. That set is currently the difference between heal tanks living and dying. Blood spawn is just much better for open because you don’t have to worry about proc’ing it, but proc’ing kena is pretty easy with a 7meter range.

I mean yea i can see if you used those abilities with this build it'd probably work

But of those abilities you posted I only seen Whip being used by you in the video, I think maybe once or two in the video you used Embers over the other morph.

I didn't see the last 3 at all used.

SkysOutThizeOut

@Xsorus I have tested them and used them. And he whip heal is big enough to make the hybrid worth it. But for dueling dropping wings for one of those others is beneficial and in bgs if your whole team has major fracture noxious isn’t necessary.

Xsorus

SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »

@Xsorus I have tested them and used them. And he whip heal is big enough to make the hybrid worth it. But for dueling dropping wings for one of those others is beneficial and in bgs if your whole team has major fracture noxious isn’t necessary.

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SkysOutThizeOut

@Xsorus thanks though for coming. Just wanted to let the community know what I found and that it’s viable.

SkysOutThizeOut

Anyone want a build video?

TheStealthDude

SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »

Anyone want a build video?

For sure!

susniand

Im ready for it

SkysOutThizeOut

@TheStealthDude @susniand @Neloth @Sevn here is the build written out rather than a vid. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/448910/drizzt-do-liftins-medium-armor-hybrid-dk-build-and-explanation-let-me-know-what-you-think#latest

joseayalac

Hybrids are stronger in non-CP because you don't have to split your blue CP and because the recoveries somewhat "add up" because you use both stamina and magicka pools. (In non-CP people have less recovery so pulling from both resource pools makes more of a difference)

SkysOutThizeOut

@joseayalac my new hybrid build, different than posted, performs better and hit harder than the pure build I had before. The pure build was 16k pen, 4150 spell damage, and 38.5k magicka.