Vvardenfell dead zone when it comes to Worldbosses?

Maotti

Hi, we're a group of three trying to do worldboss dailies, but no one wants to join, doesn't they drop motifs or something tempting? Wierd that people won't join.

munster1404

It will come alive during Morrowind Event.

O_LYKOS

Most areas are for world bosses until youtubers put out meta build videos and people go to those areas to farm gear.

tenpeir

The drop rate for me was 1 in 50, not worth doing. Better to do the dailies.

Petoften

I'm surprised how much people will join a call for a world boss - I wouldn't expect much interest. It's rather a distraction from other things like crafting, foraging, dungeons, etc.

NeroBad

My observation is somewhat similar. The Wrothgar world boss calls were much more succesfull for me even without event. Altough as mentioned before my drop rate for MW boxes were much worse then my Wrothgar drop rate.

albesca

Maotti wrote: »

doesn't they drop motifs or something tempting?

Once in a blue moon (if you're lucky), so it doesn't really feel worth the hassle.

Meesha1170

Yeah, I noticed that problem there too. I’d be up for doing the world boss dailies there if people were regularly farming motifs.

There’s so many motifs in the Morrowind chapter that I’m surprised they don’t just up the chances of receiving the motifs from killing a boss and from the reward coffers.

I always thought ZOS would want people to keep redoing content to maintain their metrics on active players within various pieces of content. Many people don’t have a complete Bouyant Armiger set so this alone would be incentive. Not sure why it’s being ignored.

therift

Maotti wrote: »

Hi, we're a group of three trying to do worldboss dailies, but no one wants to join, doesn't they drop motifs or something tempting? Wierd that people won't join.

Morrowind was launched a year and a half ago. That's plenty of time for players who have had Morrowind since it launched to have collected all of the motif pages in that zone. So your pool of players who want to run the WB dailies is small: players who still need the rewards from the WB dailies and players who like to fight the WBs regardless of reward.

This makes it particularly difficult for players who have recently acquired Morrowind. Your best option is to seek help from your guilds

Meesha1170

Maotti wrote: »

Hi, we're a group of three trying to do worldboss dailies, but no one wants to join, doesn't they drop motifs or something tempting? Wierd that people won't join.

What platform and server? I’m on NA PS4.

mb10

Isnt the only zone like that lol

LordSkyKnight

Dude it’s on the off hours. Getting people to group to run content is difficult. Getting them to do it during the night hours is even worse. Plus you are trying to do it in an older zone.

UPrime

When Vvardenfell is paced with crafters now. So your available pool of actual guesting people is low.

Bubbastic

You'd better ask for guildmates to help.

Gythral

Maotti wrote: »

Hi, we're a group of three trying to do worldboss dailies, but no one wants to join, doesn't they drop motifs or something tempting? Wierd that people won't join.

3 should be able to do many, if not all, VVardenfell Worlds Bosses, with mainly the Hunger giving a bit of fun if breakfree behaves as badly as it sometimes can

Groupbosses are scaled to 4 @ CP160 so if you are all close to this you may have issues, otherwise it should fine

Katahdin

I ran all my characters through the zone to do the bosses when Morrowind came out and lots of people were doing them.

Farmed the motifs for my 2 crafters when the zone was still new.

This is the problem with all the world bosses. Once the zone has been completed by the majority of the playerbase, it becomes a dead zone and it is very difficult to get those bosses done on new characters also for people that didn't buy it when it first came out, and new players.

You can still get the done sometimes during primetime playing hours on weeknights and weekends.

Shawn_PT

The issue with World Boss dailies is, IMO, that it requires people to group up to do them. In some cases it makes people compete against one another (The Imperfect) and getting a group at 2 in the morning is nigh impossible.

Personally I prefer a daily I can do on my own. Explore a delve. Pick some items. Activate the objectives and go back. At my pace, when I want, how I want.

Wrothgar WBs are still sought because the dailies give something you cannot get anywhere else: the Malacath pages.

TG WBs drop the motifs directly, so instead of doing the dailies, players tend to group with friends/guildies and simply farm the bosses until they have what they need. In fact I have never seen anyone request a share for a WB quest there. Just help with killing it, since the daily quests are pretty much pointless.

Gold Coast WB dailies are also sought because there are only 2 dailies a player can do on that map to get both motifs, and the drop rate is lousy. If you share it makes 4, but it's still too few and so, players will want to run them.

Summerset dailies, they not only come with the 'run 30 of' achievement but they also drop something that people want, which is the Culanda Lacquer. Sapiarc pages are also a decent lure but their prices keep coming down, most possibly because players want the style matter and not really the page making them a nice extra instead of the reason to run the dailies.

Now CwC suffers from the same problems as Vvardenfell WB dailies. One, there is no achievement for running X WB dailies. Two, the drops you get from them can easily be obtained from other sources, namely from dalies which players can easily solo like the delve ones and the gather ones. Exactly the same rewards. Why would a player call out for a WB group ending up competing for the extra objectives with those who came to help (Imperfect), when they can go pick some flowers on their own and get the exact same reward? I, for one, know I don't. I ran the WB dailies once to get the WBs done in CwC and I have never again bothered with them.

Vvardenfell is the same. There are no 'complete X WB dailies' achievements. And the coffers/motifs you get from them can be obtained by running the delve daily, which I'm willing to bet, 9 out of 10 player prefer over having to call for a group to kill a WB. Personally I only pick the Vvardenfell WB dailies when they send me to a WB which I still have not done in some alt. Because if it gives me a WB I have already cleared, I drop the quest and only run the delve one.

MaxJrFTW

The zone is dead period. I personally don't enjoy it, find it depressing as hell. Apparently the majority are on the same boat since it's always empty, with the exception of Vivec city itself.

I was working on a War Maiden's build a few days ago, and even using TTC the struggle was real to find the gear. It's a clear sign that nobody is questing or doing anything in that zone.

yodased

Meesha1170 wrote: »

Yeah, I noticed that problem there too. I’d be up for doing the world boss dailies there if people were regularly farming motifs.

There’s so many motifs in the Morrowind chapter that I’m surprised they don’t just up the chances of receiving the motifs from killing a boss and from the reward coffers.

I always thought ZOS would want people to keep redoing content to maintain their metrics on active players within various pieces of content. Many people don’t have a complete Bouyant Armiger set so this alone would be incentive. Not sure why it’s being ignored.

The reason ppl don't have their B.A. motiff is because it drops from chests, trying to farm that motif, in my opinion is like trying to farm for a cipher. It's mundane, boring and you have very little chance to succeed. It is significantly easier to farm the gold to buy the motif pages, especially since they have dropped to ~30k each. You can make 450k in an afternoon of farming along with getting other mats and items you can use, the stuff that drops from those chests other than B.A. is vendor fodder.

Time require =/= payoff.

World bosses are in a similar boat to that, the gear they drop really isn't wanted, the motif drops are rare and the bosses are harder and take more time than vanilla zones.

Meesha1170

yodased wrote: »

Meesha1170 wrote: »

Yeah, I noticed that problem there too. I’d be up for doing the world boss dailies there if people were regularly farming motifs.

There’s so many motifs in the Morrowind chapter that I’m surprised they don’t just up the chances of receiving the motifs from killing a boss and from the reward coffers.

I always thought ZOS would want people to keep redoing content to maintain their metrics on active players within various pieces of content. Many people don’t have a complete Bouyant Armiger set so this alone would be incentive. Not sure why it’s being ignored.

The reason ppl don't have their B.A. motiff is because it drops from chests, trying to farm that motif, in my opinion is like trying to farm for a cipher. It's mundane, boring and you have very little chance to succeed. It is significantly easier to farm the gold to buy the motif pages, especially since they have dropped to ~30k each. You can make 450k in an afternoon of farming along with getting other mats and items you can use, the stuff that drops from those chests other than B.A. is vendor fodder.

Time require =/= payoff.

World bosses are in a similar boat to that, the gear they drop really isn't wanted, the motif drops are rare and the bosses are harder and take more time than vanilla zones.

Right. That’s the problem I’m outlining. If ZOS upped the drop rate on motifs and added all the Morrowind motifs including BA to the loot table for of potential rewards from daily coffers people would be back in droves. It would help their numbers and improve morale amongst newer players and those who just received Morrowind which in turn would increase their potential to spend money in the Crown store. I’d even go so far as to say that certain furnishing recipes should have a potential to drop, then it would really take off. Why ZOS doesn’t do things like this leaves me baffled. I can only guess there’s something behind the scenes I’m not aware of.

f047ys3v3n

Low motif drop rates (I didn't even know they could drop because I have never seen one), terrible set drops, 2 of the bosses have specific anti-solo mechanics in a game that is mostly solo.

Loves_guars

I always try to help when someone needs to do a world boss. Note that during events like CWC there will be less people outside the event zone.
On the other hand I actually like Vvardenfell being less populated, since I like to quest in peace there :P

starkerealm

Gythral wrote: »

Maotti wrote: »

Hi, we're a group of three trying to do worldboss dailies, but no one wants to join, doesn't they drop motifs or something tempting? Wierd that people won't join.

3 should be able to do many, if not all, VVardenfell Worlds Bosses, with mainly the Hunger giving a bit of fun if breakfree behaves as badly as it sometimes can

Groupbosses are scaled to 4 @ CP160 so if you are all close to this you may have issues, otherwise it should fine

The Vvardenfell worldbosses are surprisingly solo friendly, if you know what you're doing.

AlnilamE

I already got all motif pages out of Vvardenfell, with the exception of Militant Ordinator, which I'm working on.

But I do need to get the Sixth House outfit still. I will work on that between other events, as my characters find the time.

AcadianPaladin

I adore non-DLC WB's because because I can solo most of them and love that. WBs pack enough health however that when others show up to help they are always welcome - simply not always required so it is a win/win. As primarily a soloist, non-DLC WBs and some of the non-DLC normal dungeons ARE my 'end game'.

On the other hand, I'm not going to waste my time trying to find/scrounge/round up others that the DLC WBs require. Basically I boycott DLC WBs unless I just happen to be passing by a crowd with the fight in progress.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

OP, it's not just Vvardenfell, it's every zone.

MasterSpatula

Vvardenfell World Bosses are kind of a pain to do, and the Morag Tong drop rate is actually better from the delve dailies than the WB dailies.

Much like how, in Summerset, I'm probably not going to answer a call to do Keelsplitter because, seriously, why would I want to do that fight, I'm also not likely to join anyone for, say, A Creeping Hunger. It's not all that fun and the rewards that that are the whole reason to do it are too rare.

Vahrokh

The zone is depressing and horrible. It's well designed, but it's still an awful place to be in.
Long travel times.
Only interesting location to visit - the volcano - is forbidden.
Very low drop rate.
Just finding the world boss daily NPC in that labirynth makes me bored.
Uninteresting main quest line, with some self proclaimed god that needs some foreign grunt (me) to do simple stuff else he dies like a sheep.
Only thing I liked has been that big 3D map you build as you get more pages.

In my opinion, Wrothgar and - to a lesser degree - Summerset are proper expansions and Wrothgar still has he most interesting questline. I also love Gold Coast for 1000 reasons, but that's just a DLC. Funny enough, it's easy to find people to group with in the ancient Gold Coast and Wrothgar, much less in VV, which I find quite empty outside of the main town.

Jeremy

Maotti wrote: »

Hi, we're a group of three trying to do worldboss dailies, but no one wants to join, doesn't they drop motifs or something tempting? Wierd that people won't join.

Pretty sure I have soloed all of them except that cheap Hunger boss.

It sucks no one wants to join. But the three of you should be able to get the job done. It's worth it to make a good world-boss slaying build if you plan on doing them a lot.

Mr_Walker

Maotti wrote: »

Hi, we're a group of three trying to do worldboss dailies, but no one wants to join, doesn't they drop motifs or something tempting? Wierd that people won't join.

This is what happens when zos listens to the "oh so easy" whiners. They beat the boss a couple of times, stroke their... ego a bit, and move on, because they're too great to help out lowly casuals, and a lot of the bosses are an absolute PITA, so newbies are stuck their waiting plaintively for someone to come along and help.

The problem will only get worse.

Maotti

Sad to see this is why almost nobody is doing worldbosses there then. Same in Gold coast. But when i travelled to Wrothgar there was no issue getting a group.