Racial Passive Changes: What do we know?

Strychnos

Hey!

Just curious. I've seen some things going around about how racial passives will be getting changed/balanced in future updates.

What's actually been officially stated about this? I've seen some people saying that passives will be changed so that race will essentially not matter in the future, but I don't know if that's true.

Do we know what Zenimax has officially said about this issue? What would you like to be changed?

Personally I love Argonians, but the fact that they are objectively the best choice for tanking and (probably) healing is a little too much. As much as I love them, I'll admit that they need a nerf. Nords also REALLY need some help. I wouldn't play them even if they were viable, but I'd like for them to be usable for those that want to play them.

LeHarrt91

Its all said in the 'A New Approach' thread at the top of the forums.

BigBadVolk

That it will come with Update 21

lucky_Sage

They just said they basically want race to not make your play style as much as is does is what if got put off it so I expect most races to be nerfed even weak one mostly max stat and dmg type of think

idk

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

Its all said in the 'A New Approach' thread at the top of the forums.

And we know nothing more. Probally will not know anything more until we get closer to when they plan the changes.

LeHarrt91

idk wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

Its all said in the 'A New Approach' thread at the top of the forums.

And we know nothing more. Probally will not know anything more until we get closer to when they plan the changes.

^^^ This, we really can only wait to see what then officially release.

Heimpai

Did it mention when the update will be or just Q1 2019?

Minno

We know nothing except reps will take first stab at yelling at the devs lol

Also racial ultimates; im calling it

Checkmath

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Elwendryll

Checkmath wrote: »

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Don't tease us like that

ChunkyCat

Make Khajiits great again.

RavenSworn

Again there's nothing more concrete than what has already been said.

Minno wrote: »

We know nothing except reps will take first stab at yelling at the devs lol

Also racial ultimates; im calling it

OH boy that is gonna be great though if it does come out.

Bashev

Minno wrote: »

We know nothing except reps will take first stab at yelling at the devs lol

Also racial ultimates; im calling it

If they add ultimates to the races, then they will be way more unbalanced as they are right now.

I really cannot imagine that, though it will be really nice because you know every new skill brings some excitement.

WrathOfInnos

lucky_Sage wrote: »

They just said they basically want race to not make your play style as much as is does is what if got put off it so I expect most races to be nerfed even weak one mostly max stat and dmg type of think

That sounds like the opposite of what I read. Rob said “Players should feel a stronger sense of power progression through racial passives as they level up.” Which leads me to believe racial passives will be buffed to be more impactful in combat.

He also said “When selecting a race, players should have multiple effective options for any given gameplay role.”. But this doesn’t mean that all races will be equal in all roles, just that things like Nord vs Argonian tanks or Khajiit vs Redguard DPS are more similar in effectiveness.

Elwendryll

I'm expecting some flat values, and more diverses bonuses.

Merlin13KAGL

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Masel

How about.... everything?

Elwendryll

Masel wrote: »

How about.... everything?

Can we make an exception about the "not calling someone a troll" for our awesome reps this time? xD

Palidon

How about quit with the nerfs and character passive changes and start concentrating for fixing the game performance issues.

Masel

Palidon wrote: »

How about quit with the nerfs and character passive changes and start concentrating for fixing the game performance issues.

I keep wondering though, if we get nerfs and nerfs and nerfs and nerfs only, how did DPS go up a lot since morrowind, to levels we didnt have before it? Before Morrowind, 30k dps was really good. Now, 50k dps is really good.

Players tend to focus on nerfs only and neglect all the buffs we got over that time...

eso_nya

Masel wrote: »

Palidon wrote: »

How about quit with the nerfs and character passive changes and start concentrating for fixing the game performance issues.

I keep wondering though, if we get nerfs and nerfs and nerfs and nerfs only, how did DPS go up a lot since morrowind, to levels we didnt have before it? Before Morrowind, 30k dps was really good. Now, 50k dps is really good.

Players tend to focus on nerfs only and neglect all the buffs we got over that time...

That depends on the viewpoint. The nerfs that [edit: sry for using an evil word here] *** me off make me unhappy usually dont influence max dps.
Morrowind sustain nerfs: no biggy for premades, suck for soloplay and pugs.
Current speednerfs: dummy doesnt care; major impact on things like heists, farming materials, hell even slowmo walking from questgiver to targetarea. would be okay if it was pvp only, or pve and pvp but monsters stop snaring u all the time.
All the nerfs to heavy armor, shields and so on, dummy parse didnt care for those.

true light attacks got buffed and scale with maxpool now, but that doesnt help to do your writs faster.
than there was the new meta sets that do better dmg, but they r still hidden behind clusterfck rng grinds.
there is transmutation now, but rich (was it?) still doesnt have his firestick in any trait

we r 2(?) years in on "raising the floor and lowering the ceiling" but somehow the gap feels wider than ever before.

Elwendryll

Masel wrote: »

Palidon wrote: »

How about quit with the nerfs and character passive changes and start concentrating for fixing the game performance issues.

I keep wondering though, if we get nerfs and nerfs and nerfs and nerfs only, how did DPS go up a lot since morrowind, to levels we didnt have before it? Before Morrowind, 30k dps was really good. Now, 50k dps is really good.

Players tend to focus on nerfs only and neglect all the buffs we got over that time...

Without even considering buffs and nerfs, overall dps is bound to increase (rather slowly) with the CP cap increase. And people can focus more and more on offensive stats because of the mitigation from CP. I remember the minimum health requirements being around 17-18k before, now I see more people around 15-16k, but that's maybe just me.

Masel

Elwendryll wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

Palidon wrote: »

How about quit with the nerfs and character passive changes and start concentrating for fixing the game performance issues.

I keep wondering though, if we get nerfs and nerfs and nerfs and nerfs only, how did DPS go up a lot since morrowind, to levels we didnt have before it? Before Morrowind, 30k dps was really good. Now, 50k dps is really good.

Players tend to focus on nerfs only and neglect all the buffs we got over that time...

Without even considering buffs and nerfs, overall dps is bound to increase (rather slowly) with the CP cap increase. And people can focus more and more on offensive stats because of the mitigation from CP. I remember the minimum health requirements being around 17-18k before, now I see more people around 15-16k, but that's maybe just me.

I should've been clearer before. I've seen many people being afraid of nerfs to races all over the place. This is unjustified. We're trying to achieve changes that lead to more diversity overall, and so far we've seen improvements. Changes to combat go through our hands now and we can actively suggest things that actually have been implemented, and prevented changes that would've been unpopular

Elwendryll

Masel wrote: »

Elwendryll wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

Palidon wrote: »

How about quit with the nerfs and character passive changes and start concentrating for fixing the game performance issues.

I keep wondering though, if we get nerfs and nerfs and nerfs and nerfs only, how did DPS go up a lot since morrowind, to levels we didnt have before it? Before Morrowind, 30k dps was really good. Now, 50k dps is really good.

Players tend to focus on nerfs only and neglect all the buffs we got over that time...

Without even considering buffs and nerfs, overall dps is bound to increase (rather slowly) with the CP cap increase. And people can focus more and more on offensive stats because of the mitigation from CP. I remember the minimum health requirements being around 17-18k before, now I see more people around 15-16k, but that's maybe just me.

I should've been clearer before. I've seen many people being afraid of nerfs to races all over the place. This is unjustified. We're trying to achieve changes that lead to more diversity overall, and so far we've seen improvements. Changes to combat go through our hands now and we can actively suggest things that actually have been implemented, and prevented changes that would've been unpopular

I don't really understand your answer, I'm not afraid at all and I do agree with what you said. I just wanted to add that a dps increase, in my opinion, is natural, because of the evolution of CPs over time. I'm actually very confident in both the devs and the reps and have been asking myself for some changes in the racial passives. But yes, as the running poll shows, a decent amount of people are worried, and it really looks like some over reacting and overall lack of confidence in ZOS.