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What happened to the Dwemer

rexagamemnon
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Ok so i have heard multiple stories about the dwemer. What the heck happened to them? And is it possible we will ever see the dwemer in an Elder Scrolls game or ESO
  • VaranisArano
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    Go play TES III Morrowind.

    https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn
    While its never explicitly revealed/confirmed what exactly happened, they disappeared after Kagrenac used his tools on the Heart of Lorkhan. The Nerevarine reports this back to the Archmage of the Mages Guild where nobody does anything useful with that info until Skyrim, when Arniel Gane attempts and presumably fails to replicate Kagrenac's actions with a depowered Keening.
    Edited by VaranisArano on November 23, 2018 7:52PM
  • Froil
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    Nobody knows what actually happened though there are many theories, but we know that it happened during the second Battle of Red Mountain where Kagrenac planned to use the profane tools Sunder, Keening and Wraithguard on the Heart of Lorkhan found deep within the Red Mountain itself.
    At the very least, we know they are no longer on Tamriel, perhaps somewhere else in the Mundus, though the spirits of some do remain, as well as the last Dwarf, Yagrum Bagarn in TES III: Morrowind, but even they don't know what happened.

    As to whether or not we'll see the Dwemer alive in any other Elder Scrolls game or know what truly happened to them, it seems very unlikely as the Dwemer's disappearance is one of the greatest and captivating mysteries in the lore and, unless retconned or they decide to reintroduce them from wherever they went, is not really possible.
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  • _Ahala_
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    The got nerfed out of existence just like trapping webs and volcanic rune
  • Ash_In_My_Sujamma
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    They got disconected from the server
  • Claudman
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    Depends on who you're listening to.

    They either...
    • Vanished form this current Dragon Break.
    • Ceased to exist (Zero-Sum).
    • Bound themselves to the nearest Divine Object (Which would've been the Numidium or Walk-Brass).
    • Teleported to some ascended plane.
    • Teleported to a demiplane (yes, people actually believe they went to the Demiplanes of Masser/Secunda and I frankly don't know why).
    • Literally just died.
    • Are now controlling the Numidium and can influence it from beyond existence...Ugh...Cue c0da's horrendous story.
    • We have no idea!

    Regardless of what anyone says, it's all left up to interpretation until there is a DLC or game that finally decides to touch base on the sensitive topic which would probably *** off a lot of people. People will be mad if it is proven, because people want to be right and don't want their theories to be wrong. I enjoy when my theories are wrong, it's like a plot twist.

    EDIT: I forgot to answer that question too. You see a Dwemer (Dwemer Specters and my favorite Dwemeri n'wah) in Morrowind, so we've already seen Dwemer in TES before.
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    And yes, the Specters are as tall as Dunmer.
    Edited by Claudman on November 29, 2018 6:40PM
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  • AllegraLionheart
    Claudman wrote: »
    I enjoy when my theories are wrong, it's like a plot twist.
    Right?? Same here. TES lore just blows my mind all the time. It's madly complex and beautiful. <3
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  • rexagamemnon
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    @AllegraLionheart thank you for that very detailed answer, that must of took you a long time to type and research. Do you think we will ever see the dwemer again?
  • AllegraLionheart
    @AllegraLionheart thank you for that very detailed answer, that must of took you a long time to type and research. Do you think we will ever see the dwemer again?

    No problem! It's one of my favorite pieces of lore, and I low-key love getting all Pepe Silvia on it.
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    But I don't think we'll see the Dwemer again, at least not in this kalpa (even if they ARE time travelers, and that's a massive stretch). It's possible that somebody could attempt to bring back the Numidium for a 3rd time, and we might be able to see the Dwemer shades again, but I feel like Beth/ZOS have other fish to fry, story-wise.
    But hey, it's ES. Nothing is impossible except fixing Cyrodiil lag. ;) (ShamelessofftopicplugbutI'mreallypassionateaboutit)
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  • mague
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    They went where the D'Ni dwell. Unknown.

    I think it is possible to meet them again. They could be on a different planet. Which would open up a lot of physical space for ES and/or ESO updates.
  • Defilted
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    I thought this guy summed it up pretty well..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK-WXrOhoHU


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  • rexagamemnon
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    @AllegraLionheart what are the bigger fish to fry in TES series and what big fish do you think will be fried in ESO? I a huge fan of the Imperials, second high elves and then Nords, the high elves have gotten their big show with summerset, do you think there is a chance to get Nord or Imperial DLC’s/chapters? I’ve heatd people say that the ten year anniversary of TES 5:Skyrim is comming up and ZOS would be foolish not to capitalize on that.
  • AllegraLionheart
    @AllegraLionheart what are the bigger fish to fry in TES series and what big fish do you think will be fried in ESO? I a huge fan of the Imperials, second high elves and then Nords, the high elves have gotten their big show with summerset, do you think there is a chance to get Nord or Imperial DLC’s/chapters? I’ve heatd people say that the ten year anniversary of TES 5:Skyrim is comming up and ZOS would be foolish not to capitalize on that.

    Mmmm I LOVE me some Nords. <3
    TS5 Skyrim was my first intro to Elder Scrolls in the first place, so an extra delve into the lands of Skyrim would be SO wonderfully nostalgic, not to mention a draw for the still-consistent Skyrim playerbase. However, that 10-year anniversary still isn't happening until 2021, so we've got a couple years to see. I think it's probable, though, since Nords haven't gotten a ton of love in ESO, likely due to the vast popularity of TES5 before it and not wanting to over-saturate the playerbase with NordthisNordthat again.
    I wouldn't mind it, personally, but I'm only a single player in a large community. ;)

    As far as TES and ESO go, I feel like Elsweyr, Elsweyr, Elsweyr is such magnificently untouched territory with fabulous potential and mystery, if done well. Dataminers found some new Elsweyr filenames after the first Murkmire release (which was removed shortly thereafter), so I don't think that's too far off the mark for ESO, at least. *I no longer have the link, it's worth noting.*
    Either way, this could be a couple of dungeons like WolfHunter, or an expansion into new territory like Murkmire.

    Beyond that? No idea, ESO-wise. Imperials haven't gotten much love, either, and are still considered a rarer commodity with the extra price you pay to access them. There isn't much territory for ZOS to cover, either, lore-wise, since majority of them are caught up in the war in Cyrodiil, which isn't going anywhere anytime soon for ESO. So I don't see any Imperial-based DLC coming out.

    Back to TES as a whole, I see them either filling in more of the map of Tamriel (Elsweyr<3), continuing the story of the 3rd Aldmeri Dominion and fall of the Empire (potentially in Hammerfell, where the resistance was alive and well in the 4th Era), or a mix of both. The aftermath of the Great War and subsequent war of succession in Skyrim will be rife with delicious plotlines over the whole continent, so I'm sure it will have something to do with that.

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    Of course, TES may also someday choose to break new ground by sending us to one of the unexplored continents. Akavir or Atmora, perhaps. Wars and battles among mortals which sunder entire landmasses aren't unheard of in TES, and neither are airships and mass migrations across long distances. Alduin the World-Eater was undone, and therefore this kalpa cannot come to a close, so the world may continue to deteriorate until some are forced to migrate to different continents, away from Tamriel.
    Would TES do that?
    If anything, it'd be Akavir. And then, still probably nahhh.
    Would ESO show us another continent for once? Akaviri, Tsaesci?
    Super nahhhh, probably.
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    we are right here with you
  • Streega
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    I'm going to attempt a real answer, here, based on my own research and several hours of wiki-binging with too much caffeine. I'll provide links for more reading as we go. Spoiler Alert for other ES games to follow.
    (...) Yet, some sources suggest they're time travelers (https://www.imperial-library.info/content/secret-dwemer-origins) from another Kalpa (http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Kalpa). (...)

    Note that it's a concept literature, never made it to the game. Also apparently author of this this "source" debunks the theory himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/2yq9wt/secret_dwemer_origins/cpc8m0v/ Looks like it's another "Bugs in the Jar" case ;)
    Edited by Streega on December 3, 2018 5:56PM
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  • AllegraLionheart
    Streega wrote: »
    I'm going to attempt a real answer, here, based on my own research and several hours of wiki-binging with too much caffeine. I'll provide links for more reading as we go. Spoiler Alert for other ES games to follow.
    (...) Yet, some sources suggest they're time travelers (https://www.imperial-library.info/content/secret-dwemer-origins) from another Kalpa (http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Kalpa). (...)

    Note that it's a concept literature, never made it to the game. Also apparently author of this this "source" debunks the theory himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/2yq9wt/secret_dwemer_origins/cpc8m0v/ Looks like it's another "Bugs in the Jar" case ;)

    Almost certainly. Mike Kirkbride's work is criticized widely as being less-than-canon, and more his interpretation of ES beyond Morrowind, which is reasonable. That's why I like using such things like the time-traveler page as a means of adding a different perspective to the multi-faceted and sometimes historically conflicting stories ES. So we take it with a grain of salt. :)
    I agree, though, the time traveler theory seems to hold the least water out of them all, but I don't hold my own to be the ultimate truthy truth, either. xD
    Edited by AllegraLionheart on December 3, 2018 6:05PM
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  • rexagamemnon
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    @AllegraLionheart akavir would be awesome especially with eso. But i dont hold my breath about it
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  • Merlin13KAGL
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    I think there are two diverging theories:
    1. They tried to queue for a Random Dungeon
    2. They tried to log in via Steam.
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  • OFFL1MIT
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    Im might be wrong, but this is my believes.

    Falmers killed them all.
    Falmers used to be slaves, working for dwemers, but something got out of hand and falmers wiped all dwemer race.
    Have you ever found dwemer skeleton, or any remainings? I haven't so my thinking that it's definitely falmers job. They ate dwemers and made toothpicks out of them.
    I dont think some1 from outside wiped them, the ruins look so preserved and untouched, and all those machines were still operating and securing the place, but it ignored falmers since they were dwemers slaves, so dwemers were defenseless, they had big brains not strong bodies.

    Oh falmers only found at dwemer ruins, so how come they survived that cataclysm but dwemers didn't?
    Edited by OFFL1MIT on December 6, 2018 1:01AM
  • Bruccius
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    OFFL1MIT wrote: »
    Im might be wrong, but this is my believes.

    Falmers killed them all.
    Falmers used to be slaves, working for dwemers, but something got out of hand and falmers wiped all dwemer race.
    Have you ever found dwemer skeleton, or any remainings? I haven't so my thinking that it's definitely falmers job. They ate dwemers and made toothpicks out of them.
    I dont think some1 from outside wiped them, the ruins look so preserved and untouched, and all those machines were still operating and securing the place, but it ignored falmers since they were dwemers slaves, so dwemers were defenseless, they had big brains not strong bodies.

    Oh falmers only found at dwemer ruins, so how come they survived that cataclysm but dwemers didn't?

    It is recorded that when the Falmer had planned to attack the Dwemer, they were already gone.
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    They are in a non-stop party with all the children and Water closets of Tamriel, probably in some weird daedric plane!
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