PvP HELP

gamerguy757

So I am pretty good at PvE and somewhat skilled at PvP, but i want to be better!!! So I was hoping the community could help me with builds for my classes.

MagSorc
5x Shacklebreaker (armor, impen)
5x Lich (2 jewelry, 1 armor, resto staff)
3x Willpower (1 jewelry, 1 inferno staff)
1x Domihaus
Altmer
Atronach

MagDK
5x Lich (3 armor, restoration staff)
5x BSW (3 jewelry, 2 armor)
1x Willpower (inferno staff)
2x Zaan
Dunmer
Atronach

StamDen
5x Shacklbreaker (armor heavy)
5x Hulking Draugr (jewelry, 1h/shield, 2h)
2x BloodSpawn
Mounds that gives Weapon Damage
Bosmer


ANY CRITICISM WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED

Ballcap

I criticize your lack of a Templar.

therift

Why not try asking PvP experts for help?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/PvP-combat-skills

LarsS

Why not join a pvp guild.

Thrain

The gear is not that important to be good at pvp it requires a lot of practice
You need to learn in wich situations you need to change something and what would work better next time

Tbh i dont have much experience at stamden and magdk i only play them for fun in pvp to get rage whisps sometimes^^
For magsorc i would use shackle, armor master and bloodspawn instead of 1 domihaus and willpower
You could use 1 willpower destro staff so you only got armor master on backbar and got the magicka bonus on your frontbar (or an asylum perfected staff like alcast^^)
If you make it good and keep your buffs up you will get with bloodspawn like 30k resistances in no cp and that in light armor
I tried it out on my sorc and i really like it the sustain is just amazing^^

Sleep

"learn to play" that's what they are saying. but they never explain

Swomp23

Thrain wrote: »

The gear is not that important to be good at pvp it requires a lot of practice
You need to learn in wich situations you need to change something and what would work better next time

Tbh i dont have much experience at stamden and magdk i only play them for fun in pvp to get rage whisps sometimes^^
For magsorc i would use shackle, armor master and bloodspawn instead of 1 domihaus and willpower
You could use 1 willpower destro staff so you only got armor master on backbar and got the magicka bonus on your frontbar (or an asylum perfected staff like alcast^^)
If you make it good and keep your buffs up you will get with bloodspawn like 30k resistances in no cp and that in light armor
I tried it out on my sorc and i really like it the sustain is just amazing^^

I don’t get this thing about armor master. You slot annulement instead of hardened ward?

Thrain

Swomp23 wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

The gear is not that important to be good at pvp it requires a lot of practice
You need to learn in wich situations you need to change something and what would work better next time

Tbh i dont have much experience at stamden and magdk i only play them for fun in pvp to get rage whisps sometimes^^
For magsorc i would use shackle, armor master and bloodspawn instead of 1 domihaus and willpower
You could use 1 willpower destro staff so you only got armor master on backbar and got the magicka bonus on your frontbar (or an asylum perfected staff like alcast^^)
If you make it good and keep your buffs up you will get with bloodspawn like 30k resistances in no cp and that in light armor
I tried it out on my sorc and i really like it the sustain is just amazing^^

I don’t get this thing about armor master. You slot annulement instead of hardened ward?

No you should use both of them
Would be 12k shield with 25-30k resistances then

CompM4s

Gear looks good depending on your playstyle. I would recommend getting a master inferno staff on the magdk.

Vapirko

They look like ok setups. I think you could tweak or change them but it would be mostly preference. You do have to look at the effectiveness of stacking magicka vs health since the shield cap change, and it might be better to have more spell damage for mag sorc. I also still really like using engine guardian on sorc. Stam den I think I’d prefer to go with a weapon damage set over draugr. Max Stam builds are most efficient on stamplars and otherwise I think most abilities and heals scale better off of weapon damage. And unless you’re a ganking stamina warden, orc is almost definitely the best race for PvP stamdens. You could also play Redguard, Nord, Imperial or whatever but the speed and extra melee damage works particularly well with Stamden especially since they have innate recovery from the Netch.

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ZettaVC

Thrain wrote: »

The gear is not that important to be good at pvp it requires a lot of practice
You need to learn in wich situations you need to change something and what would work better next time

Tbh i dont have much experience at stamden and magdk i only play them for fun in pvp to get rage whisps sometimes^^
For magsorc i would use shackle, armor master and bloodspawn instead of 1 domihaus and willpower
You could use 1 willpower destro staff so you only got armor master on backbar and got the magicka bonus on your frontbar (or an asylum perfected staff like alcast^^)
If you make it good and keep your buffs up you will get with bloodspawn like 30k resistances in no cp and that in light armor
I tried it out on my sorc and i really like it the sustain is just amazing^^

Couldn't agree more with this, tried the same set up on my magsorc and it's a lot of fun in BG. It works with masters or asylum.

I like the pulsar skill to reduce opponent health by 10% as an AOE sapmmable. Better than slotting crystal frag.

ZettaVC

Swomp23 wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

The gear is not that important to be good at pvp it requires a lot of practice
You need to learn in wich situations you need to change something and what would work better next time

Tbh i dont have much experience at stamden and magdk i only play them for fun in pvp to get rage whisps sometimes^^
For magsorc i would use shackle, armor master and bloodspawn instead of 1 domihaus and willpower
You could use 1 willpower destro staff so you only got armor master on backbar and got the magicka bonus on your frontbar (or an asylum perfected staff like alcast^^)
If you make it good and keep your buffs up you will get with bloodspawn like 30k resistances in no cp and that in light armor
I tried it out on my sorc and i really like it the sustain is just amazing^^

I don’t get this thing about armor master. You slot annulement instead of hardened ward?

Yes you slot harness magicka on back bar where armour master is active. Hardened ward on the front.

gamerguy757

Thrain wrote: »

The gear is not that important to be good at pvp it requires a lot of practice
You need to learn in wich situations you need to change something and what would work better next time

Tbh i dont have much experience at stamden and magdk i only play them for fun in pvp to get rage whisps sometimes^^
For magsorc i would use shackle, armor master and bloodspawn instead of 1 domihaus and willpower
You could use 1 willpower destro staff so you only got armor master on backbar and got the magicka bonus on your frontbar (or an asylum perfected staff like alcast^^)
If you make it good and keep your buffs up you will get with bloodspawn like 30k resistances in no cp and that in light armor
I tried it out on my sorc and i really like it the sustain is just amazing^^

Wait so does that mean if you activate an armor ability on the back bar then switch off armor master by going to the front bar, do you still keep the buff?

gamerguy757

Vapirko wrote: »

They look like ok setups. I think you could tweak or change them but it would be mostly preference. You do have to look at the effectiveness of stacking magicka vs health since the shield cap change, and it might be better to have more spell damage for mag sorc. I also still really like using engine guardian on sorc. Stam den I think I’d prefer to go with a weapon damage set over draugr. Max Stam builds are most efficient on stamplars and otherwise I think most abilities and heals scale better off of weapon damage. And unless you’re a ganking stamina warden, orc is almost definitely the best race for PvP stamdens. You could also play Redguard, Nord, Imperial or whatever but the speed and extra melee damage works particularly well with Stamden especially since they have innate recovery from the Netch.

why not a Wood Elf with their insane recovery? I mean, yeah the Netch has recovery but when you're hitting abilities in heavy armor, that recovery from the Netch doesn't help much.

oxygen_thief

Thrain wrote: »

For magsorc i would use shackle, armor master and bloodspawn instead of 1 domihaus and willpower
You could use 1 willpower destro staff so you only got armor master on backbar and got the magicka bonus on your frontbar (or an asylum perfected staff like alcast^^)
If you make it good and keep your buffs up you will get with bloodspawn like 30k resistances in no cp and that in light armor
I tried it out on my sorc and i really like it the sustain is just amazing^^

is armor master a new trend for magsorcs? i cant believe people are doing it. can somebody link a build based on this set?

Lady_Scorp72

oxygen_thief wrote: »

is armor master a new trend for magsorcs? i cant believe people are doing it. can somebody link a build based on this set?

I believe it’s Alcast’s new Sorcerer PVP “ Storm” build. I saw his video about it yesterday, and the full info is on his website. It looks interesting, so I might just have to try it out this weekend. 😛

Sevn

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

For magsorc i would use shackle, armor master and bloodspawn instead of 1 domihaus and willpower
You could use 1 willpower destro staff so you only got armor master on backbar and got the magicka bonus on your frontbar (or an asylum perfected staff like alcast^^)
If you make it good and keep your buffs up you will get with bloodspawn like 30k resistances in no cp and that in light armor
I tried it out on my sorc and i really like it the sustain is just amazing^^

is armor master a new trend for magsorcs? i cant believe people are doing it. can somebody link a build based on this set?

Anytime you see a new trend in the game check YouTube. You'll find it there.

Thoragaal

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So I am pretty good at PvE and somewhat skilled at PvP, but i want to be better!!! So I was hoping the community could help me with builds for my classes.

MagSorc
5x Shacklebreaker (armor, impen)
5x Lich (2 jewelry, 1 armor, resto staff)
3x Willpower (1 jewelry, 1 inferno staff)
1x Domihaus
Altmer
Atronach

MagDK
5x Lich (3 armor, restoration staff)
5x BSW (3 jewelry, 2 armor)
1x Willpower (inferno staff)
2x Zaan
Dunmer
Atronach

StamDen
5x Shacklbreaker (armor heavy)
5x Hulking Draugr (jewelry, 1h/shield, 2h)
2x BloodSpawn
Mounds that gives Weapon Damage
Bosmer


ANY CRITICISM WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED

It really depends on your playstyle.
Instead of adjusting your playstyle to fit the gear, make the gear fit your playstyle. There's loads of gear to be used and attribute/champion points can easily be adjusted. You don't know if you will ever reach a certain playstyle that fits the spec's. It can be really small things like how often you block/dodge/sprint or how often you need to heal depending on how aggressive you play to what circumstances (cyrodiil resources/keeps/zerging/dueling) you get yourself into.

Try it out and make changes as it comes along. I have changed my gear Once, on my main pvp character, since Morrowind, because I know what role I play.

Thrain

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

The gear is not that important to be good at pvp it requires a lot of practice
You need to learn in wich situations you need to change something and what would work better next time

Tbh i dont have much experience at stamden and magdk i only play them for fun in pvp to get rage whisps sometimes^^
For magsorc i would use shackle, armor master and bloodspawn instead of 1 domihaus and willpower
You could use 1 willpower destro staff so you only got armor master on backbar and got the magicka bonus on your frontbar (or an asylum perfected staff like alcast^^)
If you make it good and keep your buffs up you will get with bloodspawn like 30k resistances in no cp and that in light armor
I tried it out on my sorc and i really like it the sustain is just amazing^^

Wait so does that mean if you activate an armor ability on the back bar then switch off armor master by going to the front bar, do you still keep the buff?

Yes you will keep the buff for 10 seconds then you need to barswap and activate it again

Thrain

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

For magsorc i would use shackle, armor master and bloodspawn instead of 1 domihaus and willpower
You could use 1 willpower destro staff so you only got armor master on backbar and got the magicka bonus on your frontbar (or an asylum perfected staff like alcast^^)
If you make it good and keep your buffs up you will get with bloodspawn like 30k resistances in no cp and that in light armor
I tried it out on my sorc and i really like it the sustain is just amazing^^

is armor master a new trend for magsorcs? i cant believe people are doing it. can somebody link a build based on this set?

I think so^^
Since murkmire shields got resistances so with armmor master you will get an really good sustain
Alcast created this build so check it out

robpr

IMO your MagDK will starve of stamina if you go full damage. I'll suggest changing Lich to Shacklebreaker or Amber Plasm.

I use Battalion Defender + Axiom for being total turtle while my NB friends get the kills.

fred4

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So I am pretty good at PvE and somewhat skilled at PvP, but i want to be better!!! So I was hoping the community could help me with builds for my classes.

MagSorc
5x Shacklebreaker (armor, impen)
5x Lich (2 jewelry, 1 armor, resto staff)
3x Willpower (1 jewelry, 1 inferno staff)
1x Domihaus
Altmer
Atronach

MagDK
5x Lich (3 armor, restoration staff)
5x BSW (3 jewelry, 2 armor)
1x Willpower (inferno staff)
2x Zaan
Dunmer
Atronach

StamDen
5x Shacklbreaker (armor heavy)
5x Hulking Draugr (jewelry, 1h/shield, 2h)
2x BloodSpawn
Mounds that gives Weapon Damage
Bosmer


ANY CRITICISM WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED

That's not really enough information. What food, what enchants, what traits. All that stuff adds up. These days you can tailor your builds so much. For example:

3x Protective jewelry = around 5K resistances. Did someone mention Armor Master? You get the same effect from 3x Protective + 1x Chudan.

An Infused weapon with Restore Mag / Stam enchant makes up for lack of sustain. Restore Health enchant makes up for healing.

Prismatic enchants make up for lack of health + your other stat. Since you are using Shacklebreaker, is it fair to assume you will be using Witchmother's / Dubious? The choice of food has a big influence on you build.

I won't be posting further in this thread, since these are classes I don't play. It might help if you put your builds into the UESP build editor.

Vapirko

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

They look like ok setups. I think you could tweak or change them but it would be mostly preference. You do have to look at the effectiveness of stacking magicka vs health since the shield cap change, and it might be better to have more spell damage for mag sorc. I also still really like using engine guardian on sorc. Stam den I think I’d prefer to go with a weapon damage set over draugr. Max Stam builds are most efficient on stamplars and otherwise I think most abilities and heals scale better off of weapon damage. And unless you’re a ganking stamina warden, orc is almost definitely the best race for PvP stamdens. You could also play Redguard, Nord, Imperial or whatever but the speed and extra melee damage works particularly well with Stamden especially since they have innate recovery from the Netch.

why not a Wood Elf with their insane recovery? I mean, yeah the Netch has recovery but when you're hitting abilities in heavy armor, that recovery from the Netch doesn't help much.

Then go Redguard if you’re having trouble with sustain. But if you’re having sustain issues on a stamina warden it’s proably more of a resource manageament issue and you need practice.

oxygen_thief

Thrain wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Thrain wrote: »

For magsorc i would use shackle, armor master and bloodspawn instead of 1 domihaus and willpower
You could use 1 willpower destro staff so you only got armor master on backbar and got the magicka bonus on your frontbar (or an asylum perfected staff like alcast^^)
If you make it good and keep your buffs up you will get with bloodspawn like 30k resistances in no cp and that in light armor
I tried it out on my sorc and i really like it the sustain is just amazing^^

is armor master a new trend for magsorcs? i cant believe people are doing it. can somebody link a build based on this set?

I think so^^
Since murkmire shields got resistances so with armmor master you will get an really good sustain
Alcast created this build so check it out

it looks like a resto ult bot for a static group