How much of a difference does cp make

BossXV

I am cp 320, yesterday I fought a cp 800 several times, every time he erased me in a couple hits, I could wail on him and barely scratch him! I'm a dk he was a nightblade?


I have 5 hunding, 5;spriggan, 2 troll king, he had 5 spriggan, 5 of some stamina raising set and 2 veldereth.


How was there that dragon Ball Z power difference! I mean he was all "THIS ISNT EVEN MY FINAL FORM!" I thought cp gains were suppose to become lesser the higher you go

PapaWeeb

It makes a noticeable difference, but after cp300 the gap is less and less. There are lots of other factors, his potions, enchants, quality of his gear, and most importantly skill difference

Skoomah

500 point cp difference, you have no chance bro. The cp alone will carry the opponent.

CompM4s

Its most likely a skill/gear issue. Ive seen plenty of 300-400 cp people do really well. Most people around that cp dont have as much experience or golded out gear as the max cp. especially vdsa/maelstrom weapons.

nsmurfer

500 point CP difference is like four 5-piece set bonuses on its own.

Skoomah

Everything being equal, the raw power you get with 500 more Cp means the other person has no chance

zaria

CompM4s wrote: »

Its most likely a skill/gear issue. Ive seen plenty of 300-400 cp people do really well. Most people around that cp dont have as much experience or golded out gear as the max cp. especially vdsa/maelstrom weapons.

This, CP160-200 is the first huge jump point but this is mostly because an cp160 has pretty junk gear. At 200 you should have an crafted gear with gold weapons and an overland or dungeon set probably also monster set.
CP 300 and you get more out of the CP its also there you stops getting more health, magic and stamina.

Note that for PvP and PvP build you get more damage but are can also take more damage, this is critical in PvP but not so important in PvE as you have healers and tanks. Its an reason why vMA builds tend to look like PvP ones.
As CP has high diminishing return you gain little by min maxing but a lot by becoming more sturdy, having better sustain and also do some more damage.

zaria

CompM4s wrote: »

Its most likely a skill/gear issue. Ive seen plenty of 300-400 cp people do really well. Most people around that cp dont have as much experience or golded out gear as the max cp. especially vdsa/maelstrom weapons.

This, CP160-200 is the first huge jump point but this is mostly because an cp160 has pretty junk gear. At 200 you should have an crafted gear with gold weapons and an overland or dungeon set probably also monster set.
CP 300 and you get more out of the CP its also there you stops getting more health, magic and stamina.

Note that for PvP and PvP build you get more damage but are can also take more damage, this is critical in PvP but not so important in PvE as you have healers and tanks. Its an reason why vMA builds tend to look like PvP ones.
As CP has high diminishing return you gain little by min maxing but a lot by becoming more sturdy, having better sustain and also do some more damage.

Qbiken

It makes a difference, but not as much as people tell you it does.

Colecovision

Do you have impen armor or any of your cp in crit resistance/ player damage reduction? Did he?

karekiz

There is a difference, but not enough info to claim it was just CP.

GreenhaloX

If allocated properly, it's like Clark Kent without and Superman with, or diff between Saiyan and Super Saiyan, or Prince Adam and He-man. Ha ha. Ahhh, proper CP allocation is a big factor, but also depends on the set/build and skills being utilized. I mean, I have taken lowbie toons in the non-CP level 20 and 30s into PvP, and I was still able to kill some other players in the 700s and even a few other max CP; that's one on one. Granted, I do have max CP, and allocated it all; however, my toon on the surface was not CP at face value. Heck, my armor set was only blue. Even in duel (PvE land), those unsuspecting 300-600 CP toons/players spamming me for a duel (cause I'm a lowbie, non-CP toon on the surface). Ha ha, they did had a nice surprise when I had wiped floor with them. Ha ha

Gatviper

People who build a character only for PvP and allocate all their available 830 CP purely into things which are useful only vs. other players, have a big advantage over PvE players or mixed interests ones, even if the latter have good gear setup for PvP situations, all Impenetrable gear, and good skill.

rumple9

It makes a massive difference. I have 1000+ CP. When I play battlegrounds I feel so gimped

Kadoin

A large amount, especially if they take certain configurations and builds that are even near-immortal vs other ...well whatever cap is ...

Edited: cant remember cp cap

rexagamemnon

Huge difference

CatchMeTrolling

300 something to 810 is s big difference. Sure there’s players that hold their own in the 300-400 range but they’re the exception not the norm. These players usually play with people that know what they’re doing or it’s a second account from a veteran player.

evoniee

big gap, especially if your enemy have extreme build like 81 thaurmaturge, cause normal build ony have 37 thick skinned.

also you must learn to allocate your cp to what you need and what the strongest part of your build and amp it with effective allocation

BossXV

Agh answers go both ways, I have all purple gear, his is all gold, I will work on Golding mine. But I swear he let me wrecking blow spam him and he healed through it, and then like 3 shot me, I don't understand how there is that difference, cp is suppose to have diminishing returns?

evoniee

you need to learn to optimize cp
example my cp sNB no dot
56 IC , 67 crit resist , 1SR
37 TC, 43 ele, 43 hardy
23 heal

81 MA, 19 PWE, 20 shatter
56 mighty, 44 precise, 50 piercing

Wolfpaw

CP, food, potions, armor sets, loaded skills/unlocked passives, enchants, Impen, & quality level of this list all goes into play. That champ difference is pretty large also.

MMO's are never balance, too many variables & changing of the guard, not a esport. Down one patch, wait til your class/playstyle is rotated to the top in a future patch.

Drdeath20

Huge difference, especially if they are using a build specifically designed for dueling.

nsmurfer

BossXV wrote: »

Agh answers go both ways, I have all purple gear, his is all gold, I will work on Golding mine. But I swear he let me wrecking blow spam him and he healed through it, and then like 3 shot me, I don't understand how there is that difference, cp is suppose to have diminishing returns?

He is a medium armor Stamblade, while you are medium armor stamDK. That's the difference. NBs are the only class that has the luxury to be competitive with medium armor as they get the defense they need from Cloak.

Aurielle

BossXV wrote: »

Agh answers go both ways, I have all purple gear, his is all gold, I will work on Golding mine. But I swear he let me wrecking blow spam him and he healed through it, and then like 3 shot me, I don't understand how there is that difference, cp is suppose to have diminishing returns?

CP has diminishing returns, yes, but the more CP you have, the more stars you can spec into. Take Blessed, for instance. 14-15% extra healing done is nothing to be sneezed at. At CP 300 or so, if you try to get Blessed to 14-15%, you’ll barely have any points to spend elsewhere. Someone with 810 CP can easily max that out, however, and still spend a ton of points on other stars that benefit offence. Diminishing returns only really comes into play when we’re looking at INDIVIDUAL stars. Take Blessed again, for example. The difference between spending 75 points on it and 100 points is very small (1%). The difference between spending 0 points and 27 points, however, is pretty significant (7%).

fgoron2000

I strongly believe that increased CP does make a difference, but it's only my opinion. After two and a half years, I still don't feel at all like a strong player, but lately, especially after the last 3 or even the last 2 updates, I seem to be able to go through content significantly easier than I did previously. I'm several updates ahead of the CP increases, so on each update I do get immediate benefit of 30 more points. I've been cp160 for quite a while and same with my crafters being maxed out, so increased gear, food, pots are not doing it. Am I actually getting better? Maybe a little, but certainly not as much as the increasing ease of the content feels.

This is also mostly the same content as I've done before, as I'm working through Cadwell's Silver on most of my toons, and a couple have started Gold. But I don't think that I've gotten better to the point that this content is getting so much easier. Familiarity? Maybe that has a little bit to do with it, but again not to the extent I'm seeing. I do believe that the increased ease that I'm going through stuff is largely due to CP, but I can't offer any specifics other than the above, to validate that opinion. It's just what I seem to be experiencing.

MaxJrFTW

CP makes all the difference in the world. It's the reason most casual players prefer CP pvp, CP pretty much carries them, allowing them to roflstomp lower CP players. I wouldn't expect to beat a decent player unless you're at least within 100 cp of that player.

rumple9 wrote: »

It makes a massive difference. I have 1000+ CP. When I play battlegrounds I feel so gimped

Perfect example right here.

Gatviper

BossXV wrote: »

Agh answers go both ways, I have all purple gear, his is all gold, I will work on Golding mine. But I swear he let me wrecking blow spam him and he healed through it, and then like 3 shot me, I don't understand how there is that difference, cp is suppose to have diminishing returns?

One mistake many make is, those numbers on gold gear don't look like much more than purple, but it's a whole lot of difference. If you don't have gold gear, you don't even want to delve into group dungeons / PvP / even much less so Trials. Those numbers might look small in difference, but in ability to output in seconds they matter a lot. More damage, more armor, more Weapon / Spell Damage, it's all going against you if you're not on Gold, and it adds up.
Also Stamina going with melee weapons against magicka just sucks. Their weapon damage alone is wrecking any magicka without them needing to spam abilities. On Magicka side, you've got the staff damage based on Magicka / Spell Damage + CP points into Staff damage, but you're done if you're in melee range and have no cloak, or are spammed with AoEs so you can't hide. What you can do, as a Nightblade at least, is using Fear. Then Cloak, then gather your wits. Not sure about other classes.

But without max CP, going against someone with max CP, good luck. Going against someone with max CP invested in all that can help killing / defending against, other players, double good luck.

JumpmanLane

500 cp difference is a LOT of cp. You just don’t have enough cp. when max was 720, with about upper 500 cp or right around 600 you could 1v1 a max cp guy, but 300 cp vs 810 is just not enough cp unless you’re fighting a PvE rank amateur.

flguy147ub17_ESO

I have leveled up on all 3 platforms so know this subject insanely well after being max CP and then leveling up and then doing it again for a 3rd time. CP is ridiculously OP and i mean ridiculous. Its funny how max CP players say its not a big deal lol, Try leveling up a new account and putting in 300 CP and fight a 810 player who is average or above, you will get wrecked 98% of the time. My DPS also in dungeons when i switched platforms again and got to 200 CP and started doing vet dungeons i was like wtf with my dps. Now its joke how fast i can burn down vet bosses.

OFFL1MIT

It's a difference, but the biggest factor you lost wasnt CP at all. It's hard go against nightblade beeing DK, takes time to find their weakness, ,ost of them are smart and if they see you have upper hand they runaway, so you need to be magicka to drop flare or magelight, so they dont go in hide to get their resources back. Another big thing, most of them are vampires, so whip them and use flame abilities. Most of them have High DPS bad low resource managment so you need to survive and outheal their attacks and then BAM, keep rooting and stack flame attacks on them they will rolldodge, waste their stamina, you keep CC and stacking flames, they will panick and die from heart attack.

So try for your self if you annoyed with night blades.
Get all impen parts
Go heavy armour
Use magicka abilities
use staves or you can go dualwield(more damage), up to you if u dont use destro staff skills
Board and sword - this is very important for those few minutes of survival
And then it's just rooting/CCing and stacking flame abilities.

But remember, there will be always someone better than you, so dont worry we all get killed by some1 who's better.

Jeremy

BossXV wrote: »

I am cp 320, yesterday I fought a cp 800 several times, every time he erased me in a couple hits, I could wail on him and barely scratch him! I'm a dk he was a nightblade?


I have 5 hunding, 5;spriggan, 2 troll king, he had 5 spriggan, 5 of some stamina raising set and 2 veldereth.


How was there that dragon Ball Z power difference! I mean he was all "THIS ISNT EVEN MY FINAL FORM!" I thought cp gains were suppose to become lesser the higher you go

CP makes a huge difference.

But more likely than not - he was just using a build that effectively countered your own build/playstyle. PvP on this game has a lot of the rock/paper/scissors element to it. It's pretty dumb to be honest with you, and I would not take PvP on this game too seriously. These posters who are acting like PvP on this game is all about skill are laughably incorrect. Because it's not.