Positive Green?

ohaphazardo

I went off on one a week or so ago when I got so frustrated about.....well you know.....let's face it the words lag and log were involved.
And I got warned, officially warned by a red Z in a green square, for being negative. Probably deserved.

But it got me thinking about what I see from peeps with a Red Z in a green square in here, this forum. First, Giordano Bruno, and her sidekick (John Dee was it?) never post here, you know the famous celebrity moderators on that Merkan TV thing. Isn't that negative, that they never post here? Secondly, the posts I do see here are from lesser Red Zs in a green square are all negative...."we've had to block XYZ posts for infringing forum rules" over and over.

So, I'm calling you on this you moderators, give us some positives. Go on, like the odd post, post some pictures of cute fluffy kittens, heck, why not let us know that you agree with the odd criticism and say you are working with the powers that be to sort it.

Being anti-negative is not being positive, yeah? Nothing is always an option.

Come on mod folks, show us some lurve, or at least some acknowledgement that our concerns are valued and not just heard.

Davor

No matter what they say or do, even cute stuff, someone will turn it around. Like someone posts a cute kitten, someone will come in and say "instead of posting cute kittens, fix the game" So that is why they don't do it.

So no, we are to blame sadly.

Bouldercleave

Calling out the mods right after a warning is not the best battle strategy.


Just sayin'

CyberSkooma

Is the point of this post just for you to cause problems? Because that's what it looks like.

ohaphazardo

Cyberskooma, nope to try and get some serious Moderator involvement with the issues that this game and this server in particular is facing
Looking for positives, yeah?

Bouldercleave

I'll give you one then:

I'm POSITIVE that this thread will get locked and almost positive you will get at LEAST another warning.

idk

Davor wrote: »

No matter what they say or do, even cute stuff, someone will turn it around. Like someone posts a cute kitten, someone will come in and say "instead of posting cute kittens, fix the game" So that is why they don't do it.

So no, we are to blame sadly.

And they have a job to do. It is not being cute. It is preventing the forums from getting totally out of control.

ohaphazardo

idk, perhaps possibly "preventing the forums from getting totally out of control" could involve promoting a positive community spirit, by engaging with people and listening to their concerns, rather than just "enforcing the law".
See your point though.

CyberSkooma

ohaphazardo wrote: »

idk, perhaps possibly "preventing the forums from getting totally out of control" could involve promoting a positive community spirit, by engaging with people and listening to their concerns, rather than just "enforcing the law".
See your point though.

You're, really bad at this.

Bouldercleave

ohaphazardo wrote: »

idk, perhaps possibly "preventing the forums from getting totally out of control" could involve promoting a positive community spirit, by engaging with people and listening to their concerns, rather than just "enforcing the law".
See your point though.

That's not what mods do. Mods are SPECIFICALLY here to "enforce the law".

starkerealm

idk wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

No matter what they say or do, even cute stuff, someone will turn it around. Like someone posts a cute kitten, someone will come in and say "instead of posting cute kittens, fix the game" So that is why they don't do it.

So no, we are to blame sadly.

And they have a job to do. It is not being cute. It is preventing the forums from getting totally out of control.

And, to be fair, there is a lot of kindling around here for starting fires. We've got the latency issues, which seem to be worse the last couple months, and we've got the balance changes with Mirkmire. Between those two things, there's plenty of places someone can start setting the places on fire.

First time I've heard the moderators going off on people for being too negative... unless, you know, it was something like, "y'all suck." Or personal attacks against devs. I mean, I understand when their choices hurt you. I sometimes think Finn takes great pleasure in my pain and suffering, but there's a huge difference between that, and just attacking them. Case in point, Finn's a fantastic person. Making us suffer is his job. He's very good at that, but there's no enmity there.

There are ways to offer constructive criticism, and there's a place for, "this sucks,' in that critique, but just going off on someone? No, that's not valuable to anyone.


And yeah, the latency issues suck, and need to be dealt with. But, I'm going point fingers at individuals and say this is their fault, or that they suck because that's simply not true.

starkerealm

ohaphazardo wrote: »

idk, perhaps possibly "preventing the forums from getting totally out of control" could involve promoting a positive community spirit, by engaging with people and listening to their concerns, rather than just "enforcing the law".
See your point though.

You're conflating the mod staff and Gina's office. Gina and Jess are community management, their job is to interact with us, and try to soothe ruffled feathers. That's where the, "cute stuff," comes in.

Forum Moderators are, to the best of my knowledge, not part of Gina's team, or at least not at the pay grade where soothing feathers is the goal. Their job is to enforce the rules, and prevent this place from turning into an open air asylum. To their credit, they do pretty good job, all things considered. I've had that job before (though, not as a paid position, nor with ZOS), and I can honestly say, the Mod staff is professional, and efficient, even by industry standards.

You want to see Mods that don't take their job seriously, there's any number of subreddits patrolled by petty, little fanatics. Who will jump at the prospect of simply banning anyone who so much as disagrees with them. Hell, I used to moderate a forum where one of the admins would actually edit other people's posts, if they disagreed with him. So, no, there are really terrible mod teams out there, ZOS's is clean and professional.

ezio45

Id like to see the devs comment on their broken balance changes..............


also not gunna happen

theyancey

Like going out in a blaze of glory, huh? I hope that you find games and forums that you like better. I have had few problems with either here from beta on.

starkerealm

ezio45 wrote: »

Id like to see the devs comment on their broken balance changes..............


also not gunna happen

It was in the patch notes. Just because you didn't like the answer you got, doesn't mean it never happened.

CyberSkooma

starkerealm wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

Id like to see the devs comment on their broken balance changes..............


also not gunna happen

It was in the patch notes. Just because you didn't like the answer you got, doesn't mean it never happened.

^^^