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Weapon enchant bug — inheriting the level + quality of your weapon poison

TheYKcid
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If you have a weapon poison equipped on your frontbar, and proc your backbar enchantment whilst on this bar, the backbar enchant will inherit the item quality & level of the weapon poison (cp150, white-quality by default).

Backbar enchants can be procced on the frontbar via 2 ways:
  1. With ground-based weapon DoTs (volley, ele blockade) that continuously proc the enchant of the originating weapon
  2. Shoot a ranged light attack or weapon ability > swapcancel to frontbar > projectile connects with target

When this bug occurs, it results in proccing an enchantment effect of a lower value than normal. Typical poisons used by a max-level toon are cp150, white-quality by default, and your enchant's effect will be scaled-down to these stats.

Example:
You have a gold-quality, cp160 Berserker glyph on your backbar, which gives you +348 WD/SD when procced. If you use either of the two abovementioned methods to proc this on your frontbar, whilst having a poison equipped, you will only get +232 WD/SD—the precise value of a cp150, white-quality zerker glyph.

This also applies to enchants that deal direct damage (glyph of flame, etc.).
Edited by TheYKcid on November 12, 2018 7:24PM
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  • TheYKcid
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    Not fixed as of PC/Mac v4.2.9 incremental patch.
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  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Does this bug happen if you do the opposite? Ie use back bar poisons and proc the enchantment on the front bar?
    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on November 19, 2018 12:04PM
  • TheYKcid
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    Backbar/frontbar is all relative. A more general way of stating it would be:

    If an enchant from a different bar procs on a bar with poison equipped, then the enchant inherits the level & quality of the poison.
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  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    TheYKcid wrote: »
    Backbar/frontbar is all relative. A more general way of stating it would be:

    If an enchant from a different bar procs on a bar with poison equipped, then the enchant inherits the level & quality of the poison.

    I guess I dont see it as relative, wall and endless will nearly always be on the back bar, there is very little reason to have them on your main bar, unless you are running a single bar set up, like on a sorc.

    So what you are saying is that if you do what I am asking, ie back bar poisons, you will be all right? Because most set ups will not be procing the front bar enchant on the back bar, outside of maybe destro ulti on the front bar setups, though mag builds don't run poisons.
  • TheYKcid
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    Good point.

    For mag builds in PvE which you seem to be talking about it wouldn't matter since they don't typically run poisons. For stam it could still conceivably happen as blade cloak procs enchants from the originating weapon. So you might proc your zerker from DW while on your bow bar with poisons, and thus trigger the bug.
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  • TheYKcid
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    Not fixed as of PC/Mac v4.2.10 incremental patch.
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  • TheYKcid
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    Not fixed as of PC/Mac v4.2.11 incremental patch.
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  • TheYKcid
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    Not fixed as of PC/Mac incremental patch v4.2.12
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  • Koolio
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    TheYKcid wrote: »
    Not fixed as of PC/Mac incremental patch v4.2.12

    Thanks for staying on top of this. It sucks when you have to hound the developers to at least get a response
  • TheYKcid
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    You're very welcome @Koolio; I want to see it fixed ASAP as much as anyone
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  • TheYKcid
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    Bug remains unfixed as of v4.2.13 patch, and also has no mention on the update 21 PTS notes.
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  • TheYKcid
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    Still unfixed as of PC/Mac patch v4.3.5 (Wrathstone, update 21)
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  • Cinbri
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    Seems poisons affect more than just that. Somehow I noticed huge sustain drops when using recovery sets like Lich when poisons are used. Need to test such stuff.
  • TheYKcid
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    Remains unfixed as of PC/Mac incremental patch v4.3.6
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  • casparian
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    My suspicion is that ZOS can't nail down the bug, and so will add gold CP160 poisons in a future update to "fix" it.
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  • TheYKcid
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    @casparian Well they recently fixed a related bug where food was inheriting the stats of your poison, so this may be a similar problem. I'm sure they could fix it if only this thread could get on their radar...

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  • TheYKcid
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    Not fixed as of PC/Mac v4.3.7 incremental.
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  • SaintSubwayy
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    insightfull knowledge into this bug, Ive never heard of :open_mouth:

    this would mean that running poisons on the frontbar, is even worse than we thought...besides the not stacking problem in PVE....but this bug seems to be even worse IMO.

    This does only occur with poisons right?

    Frontbar / backbar enchants dont interfear with eachother?
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  • TheYKcid
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    @SaintSubwayy no issues with enchant/enchant, I've tested. Only the described scenario causes problems.
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  • robvs
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    How is there, even after 5 months, no response from zos on this bug? :/
  • TheYKcid
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    robvs wrote: »
    How is there, even after 5 months, no response from zos on this bug? :/

    Beats me...
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  • Masel
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    TheYKcid wrote: »
    robvs wrote: »
    How is there, even after 5 months, no response from zos on this bug? :/

    Beats me...

    We've posted it in our dev discord, but did not receive a response so far. I'll annoy them again.
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  • SaintSubwayy
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    Masel wrote: »
    TheYKcid wrote: »
    robvs wrote: »
    How is there, even after 5 months, no response from zos on this bug? :/

    Beats me...

    We've posted it in our dev discord, but did not receive a response so far. I'll annoy them again.

    remind them every day...rly annoy them with it, its in the game for way too long :/
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  • TheYKcid
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    Cheers @Masel! Thank you for keeping us updated.
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  • sharkium
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    Remains unfixed
  • TheYKcid
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    @sharkium yep

    I'm waiting to see it any mention of this is made in Monday's PTS notes. If not, I'll continue bumping this thread.
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  • Masel
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    They're aware of it. It is apparently a very complex issue within the enchantment system...
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    Pilar Joranil - Magicka Dragonknight - High Elf - DD - Flawless Conqueror -
    Adeline Du Mont - Magicka Templar - High Elf - Healer & DD - Flawless Conqueror & Voice of Reason + Bringer of Light
    Olivia Thaloran - Magicka Nightblade - Dunmer - DD - Flawless Conqueror & Dro'mathra Destroyer & Voice of Reason
    Pu'jarr Ticklebeard - Stamina Sorcerer - Khajiit - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Treehugger Joe - Magicka Warden - High Elf - DD - Flawless Conqueror
    Stuga Beluga - Stamina Templar - Orc - DD - Flawless Conqueror & Dro'mathra Destroyer
    Anna Terra - Stamina Warden - Redguard - DD - Flawless Conqueror
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  • Facefister
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    Just make them yellow lol.
  • TheYKcid
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    Once again, thanks for keeping everyone up-to-date on the issue, @Masel. Good to know it's at least on the table!
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