Are you a stamDK trying to find a unique build to use in PvP or BGs? Try this.

DarkJester1

Ever since Murkmire dropped, people have been pissing and moaning about nerfs, yet the very nice buff that DKs got seems to have been mostly overlooked.

I'm talking about the change to World of Ruin that reduces the cost of all poison stamina abilities by 25%.

Why is this relevant?

Because most of the bow skills are poison-based.

That's a HUGE sustain boost if I've ever seen one!

This now gives DKs an edge over all other classes when it comes to using a bow build.

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As for the build, here are the stats (outside of BG):

https://imgur.com/a/ls6l8nr

I was using Swamp Raider before Murkmire drop, and as far as I can tell Spriggan's is about the same when it comes to usefulness now that shields have resistances. It's just that for me Spriggans is also useful for my pve WW build and this is why I made the switch. Sload's is also an excellent choice for this build.

Front Bar/Back Bar:

https://imgur.com/a/nQZKNU2

Igneous Weapons: Great skill to give major brutality since it costs magicka instead of stamina and gives all the boosts from the earth heart passives, including minor brutality to you and your teammates which went up to 10% over 5% since murkmire drop.

Heroic Slash: Used to run Pierce Armor, but this provides survivability, a snare, AND ultimate regen all in one package!

Reflective Plate: SOme people love it, some people hate it. While there is better snare removal, this one also comes with a nice shield against ranged attacks, and that's mainly what I use it for.

Shooting Star: Slightly less damage vs. Ice Comet, but had a stronger dot attached and regains ultimate, which is very nice. IMO this is better than Rapid Fire Ultimate as it can hit multiple targets.

Acid Spray Do not underestimate this ability. it has a decent range of 20 meters that can also hit targets below you (from spawn point from example) while also being an amazing spammable against clustered enemies. It is the skill I use the most by far, and the main reason this spec can hit such high dps numbers. Best bow skill in my opinion.

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With this setup, I have few sustain issues thanks to World of Ruin's new change, although I am also an Argonian who gets more resources back from potions, so keep that in mind.

As for food, I use either Artaeum Takeaway Broth or Dubious Cameron Throne.

If you're curious how it performs, well, it lacks killing blow power due to no executes (aside from poison ejection, which isn't exactly a reliable one), but it excels in assists and group support, which is why I chose it, myself.

Here are a few screenshots of its potential:

https://imgur.com/a/AHR5tpc
https://imgur.com/a/dB8ep0I
https://imgur.com/a/VfauiXE

This build usually gets top damage, too.

Furthermore, here a few videos of the build as well:

https://youtu.be/Q-bBLiEHC1o
https://youtu.be/REvkjcI-kUg

Note: This build won't be for everyone. You're a lot more squishy than most, even with Fortified Brass, but it's fun to use and allows you to support your team from the backlines if you like that sort of playstyle. Do NOT expect to solo anyone and win, though. At least, not without tweaking it a bit, first.

I hope this was helpful to someone. Good luck out there!

Sungod

wait, whats the other armor sets you're using?

DarkJester1

Sungod wrote: »

wait, whats the other armor sets you're using?

Fortified brass and spriggans. In place of spriggans you can try sload's or swamp raider.

susmitds

No offense, man, but from my personal experience and from what I have seen over the years, the way for Bow-mains to be successful is to pack a ton of raw damage, which is something your build utterly lacks. At the same time, your sustain is not exactly too great with 1.3k stam recovery. I can understand the choices you made while making the setup, choosing survivability and group support over damage or sustain, even then this build is rather squishy, especially considering that you are a DK. For these reasons, I think you will have a hard time staying alive if focused by anyone.
Comparing it to other classes of bow builds, you will find that templars have slightly higher damage potential and sustain even with Poison abilities with the new rune, sorcs have a natural execution in place, wardens have higher sustain and survivability and lastly NBs have way higher damage potential, sustain and survivability via Cloak.

For e.g. my NB Khajiit bow build has opposite stats compared to yours. 5k effective weapon damage, 60% crit, 37k stamina, 200% crit damage multiplier, 18k penetration, 2k stam recovery, 14k magicka but at the cost of having only 13k HP out of PvP (becomes 18.3k in PvP) and only 17k resists, 1.4k crit resists fully buffed with just 2 impen on gear. But, in spite of my ridiculously low HP, I hardly ever die unless zerged down, due to the insane survivability Cloak brings to the table, along with a 17k tooltip Vigor, which crits a lot for me. Most people die in one or two snipes, which indirectly helps me survive as you can't kill me if you are already dead.


I can easily pump out over 10K DPS on two different targets solo, killing them both.

Interestingly, I fought a S&B back bar/Bow main bar StamDK just a few days, with a very similar setup to yours (5 impregnable, 5 morag tong, 2 velidreth)

My basic skill use is quite similar to yours but I use Power Extraction instead of Acid Spray, as Power Extraction got a 10k tooltip for me and hits far harder than Acid Spray and generates Ultimate and gives magicka max bonus from Siphoning passives, even though it is at melee range.

montjie

No.........just no!
"Hurr durr let me just sit back nd spam snares nd snipes from max distance on enemy players already engaged in combat like a total dirtbag."

Stop promoting this crappy excuse of a playstyle!

Ragnarock41

montjie wrote: »

No.........just no!
"Hurr durr let me just sit back nd spam snares nd snipes from max distance on enemy players already engaged in combat like a total dirtbag."

Stop promoting this crappy excuse of a playstyle!

This is pretty much how zenimax wants people to play stamDk, so why blame him?

Also why are you acting like this is the first time you see a bow build? If anything this is much more forgiving than eating 10-15k snipes to the knee from a stamblade.

montjie

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

No.........just no!
"Hurr durr let me just sit back nd spam snares nd snipes from max distance on enemy players already engaged in combat like a total dirtbag."

Stop promoting this crappy excuse of a playstyle!

This is pretty much how zenimax wants people to play stamDk, so why blame him?

Also why are you acting like this is the first time you see a bow build? If anything this is much more forgiving than eating 10-15k snipes to the knee from a stamblade.

You derived this based on one gimmicky sustain buff?
So stamdk..A brawler, stand-your-ground tank type of class (isnt that what every1 says) is now ment to be played as a range quasi interruptor. Is that what youre saying. All because they got a 'buff' that reduces their used poison damage based abilities. Is that what youre saying???
So the brawler is supposed to roam the back lines of the fight spamming ranged snares instead of being on the frontlines. Is that what youre saying!?!?

The only thing you can get out of my post is that I strongly dislike that type of leeching gameplay. What you mean why am I acting like blabla?

Also so what. Losing 2 limbs is worse than losing 1 but I still would be devastated if I lost 1 limb though. What kind of argument is that.
Also also. That being forgiving part can be discussed over. Snipes dont snare the living hell out of you and cant be spammed as fast as Spray. Snipes have a cue which leave room open for counterplay (if the game doesnt bug out that is)
One could argue a Snipe spammer would be way more forgiving to deal with than a Spray spammer while you already are engaged with other enemies and said one could be right.

Stamdk ment to be played that way according to zos...Gimme a break man

Ragnarock41

montjie wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

No.........just no!
"Hurr durr let me just sit back nd spam snares nd snipes from max distance on enemy players already engaged in combat like a total dirtbag."

Stop promoting this crappy excuse of a playstyle!

This is pretty much how zenimax wants people to play stamDk, so why blame him?

Also why are you acting like this is the first time you see a bow build? If anything this is much more forgiving than eating 10-15k snipes to the knee from a stamblade.

You derived this based on one gimmicky sustain buff?
So stamdk..A brawler, stand-your-ground tank type of class (isnt that what every1 says) is now ment to be played as a range quasi interruptor. Is that what youre saying. All because they got a 'buff' that reduces their used poison damage based abilities. Is that what youre saying???
So the brawler is supposed to roam the back lines of the fight spamming ranged snares instead of being on the frontlines. Is that what youre saying!?!?

The only thing you can get out of my post is that I strongly dislike that type of leeching gameplay. What you mean why am I acting like blabla?

Also so what. Losing 2 limbs is worse than losing 1 but I still would be devastated if I lost 1 limb though. What kind of argument is that.
Also also. That being forgiving part can be discussed over. Snipes dont snare the living hell out of you and cant be spammed as fast as Spray. Snipes have a cue which leave room open for counterplay (if the game doesnt bug out that is)
One could argue a Snipe spammer would be way more forgiving to deal with than a Spray spammer while you already are engaged with other enemies and said one could be right.

Stamdk ment to be played that way according to zos...Gimme a break man

Your sarcasm detector is broken. get it fixed.

montjie

You know... It was after I posted it I thought to myself. Maybe hes just trolling.
But I went *** it, ill find out soon enough.

You got me good man I must admit lol

Skoomah

You guys are mean. Always hijacking threads that try to be helpful and share info with the community and derail the actual topic.

Gibus043

I tried the build and I actually like it a lot. I used a different setup (5PC Bone Pirate/5PC Veiled/2PC Blood Spawn | 5/2 Medium)

It's actually pretty fun and sustain is very easy with the -25% cost on poison skills (only 2k stamina cost for acid spray!)

Here's some feedback:
5 magicka skills are simply too much. Igneous+Volatile Armor and you're almost out of magicka
Swap Fossilize->Draining Shot and maybe Reflective Plate->Shuffle
Also I'm having more success with Dawnbreaker than Meteor

Ragnarock41

montjie wrote: »

You know... It was after I posted it I thought to myself. Maybe hes just trolling.
But I went *** it, ill find out soon enough.

You got me good man I must admit lol

on a serious note world in ruin changes actually benefit bow stamDks more than anyone else, that much is not sarcasm. (a change meant to help PvE dps, they probably believe the class is fine in PvP from my understanding.)

exeeter702

montjie wrote: »

No.........just no!
"Hurr durr let me just sit back nd spam snares nd snipes from max distance on enemy players already engaged in combat like a total dirtbag."

Stop promoting this crappy excuse of a playstyle!

No offense to the op, he/she means well and put the post together well enough, but while i do not think the build is particularly good, to take offense from the mere idea of a ranged bow build is hilarious, should i assume this is your first mmo? Crappy excuse of a play style? Lol what? There are dynamics to ranged kiting and keeping melee off of you and has been a staple of mmorpgs for as long as the genre has existed. Also to force DK into a singular aechetype (a stand your ground tanky brawler... ok?) is incredibly disingenuous and inaccurate.

BP_Sparty

Oh cool I'm in a video

DarkJester1

Yes well, this is about dk, not other classes. Also

Gibus043 wrote: »

I tried the build and I actually like it a lot. I used a different setup (5PC Bone Pirate/5PC Veiled/2PC Blood Spawn | 5/2 Medium)

It's actually pretty fun and sustain is very easy with the -25% cost on poison skills (only 2k stamina cost for acid spray!)

Here's some feedback:
5 magicka skills are simply too much. Igneous+Volatile Armor and you're almost out of magicka
Swap Fossilize->Draining Shot and maybe Reflective Plate->Shuffle
Also I'm having more success with Dawnbreaker than Meteor

The new draining shot is indeed a good skill, but it can't be swapped with fossilize since fossilize is on the S&B bar. Otherwise I would personally in a heartbeat!

Glad you like the build though.

montjie

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

You know... It was after I posted it I thought to myself. Maybe hes just trolling.
But I went *** it, ill find out soon enough.

You got me good man I must admit lol

on a serious note world in ruin changes actually benefit bow stamDks more than anyone else, that much is not sarcasm. (a change meant to help PvE dps, they probably believe the class is fine in PvP from my understanding.)

The change is weird. DK didnt really need that buff. If they wanted to help with sustain they should have reworked battle roar imo. Not make 2 (3 if you count stinky breath too) already cheap abilities even cheaper (for pve that is). And make it easier for people to spam ranged snares like crazy (in pvp).
Heavy attack rotations already had no sustain issues and light attack rotations were doable if you didnt have to recast your aoe's prematurely and you had shard/orb support.
I do wonder if the poison morph of the bow ult also gets reduced in cost. Corrosive didnt

exeeter702 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

No.........just no!
"Hurr durr let me just sit back nd spam snares nd snipes from max distance on enemy players already engaged in combat like a total dirtbag."

Stop promoting this crappy excuse of a playstyle!

No offense to the op, he/she means well and put the post together well enough, but while i do not think the build is particularly good, to take offense from the mere idea of a ranged bow build is hilarious, should i assume this is your first mmo? Crappy excuse of a play style? Lol what? There are dynamics to ranged kiting and keeping melee off of you and has been a staple of mmorpgs for as long as the genre has existed. Also to force DK into a singular aechetype (a stand your ground tanky brawler... ok?) is incredibly disingenuous and inaccurate.

The only thing hilarious is you trying to lecture people while not knowing what theyre talking about.

Thogard

I always just assumed you were a DK who is role playing as a stamblade.

Pretty sure I saw you use a vanish pot the other day.

IMO quit denying your true self. Embrace the stamblade playstyle

Toc de Malsvi

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

You know... It was after I posted it I thought to myself. Maybe hes just trolling.
But I went *** it, ill find out soon enough.

You got me good man I must admit lol

on a serious note world in ruin changes actually benefit bow stamDks more than anyone else, that much is not sarcasm. (a change meant to help PvE dps, they probably believe the class is fine in PvP from my understanding.)

It really does, and I'm loving it.

Typical_T_ReX

I've personally played against this build and will vouch for its effectiveness. No bow build prior to this would last 5 seconds in an actual fight with me. It's usually snipe, cloak, snipe, cloak, snipe cloak. This build offers a unique play style for anyone who wants to try something different with a bow for dps. Respect for creating something unique @DarkJester1 , shame you've upset people for using your noodle.

exeeter702

Double post

templesus

I’m a simple man.

I click on video.

I see snipe on bar.

I click off video.

exeeter702

montjie wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

You know... It was after I posted it I thought to myself. Maybe hes just trolling.
But I went *** it, ill find out soon enough.

You got me good man I must admit lol

on a serious note world in ruin changes actually benefit bow stamDks more than anyone else, that much is not sarcasm. (a change meant to help PvE dps, they probably believe the class is fine in PvP from my understanding.)

The change is weird. DK didnt really need that buff. If they wanted to help with sustain they should have reworked battle roar imo. Not make 2 (3 if you count stinky breath too) already cheap abilities even cheaper (for pve that is). And make it easier for people to spam ranged snares like crazy (in pvp).
Heavy attack rotations already had no sustain issues and light attack rotations were doable if you didnt have to recast your aoe's prematurely and you had shard/orb support.
I do wonder if the poison morph of the bow ult also gets reduced in cost. Corrosive didnt

exeeter702 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

No.........just no!
"Hurr durr let me just sit back nd spam snares nd snipes from max distance on enemy players already engaged in combat like a total dirtbag."

Stop promoting this crappy excuse of a playstyle!

No offense to the op, he/she means well and put the post together well enough, but while i do not think the build is particularly good, to take offense from the mere idea of a ranged bow build is hilarious, should i assume this is your first mmo? Crappy excuse of a play style? Lol what? There are dynamics to ranged kiting and keeping melee off of you and has been a staple of mmorpgs for as long as the genre has existed. Also to force DK into a singular aechetype (a stand your ground tanky brawler... ok?) is incredibly disingenuous and inaccurate.

The only thing hilarious is you trying to lecture people while not knowing what theyre talking about.

Fair enough if your orginal comment that was quoted was sarcasm. Otherwise, the point stands.

Dracan_Fontom

Is snipe just some sort of taboo so that just seeing it on a bar makes people automatically hate build? Kind of pathetic to be honest. I saw the first video and didn't see snipe used nearly as much as Acid Spray.

Op, I applaud you for trying something different. It looks like a solid and interesting playstyle. While I would change some skills and gear here and there, it was interesting to watch. You do you, just ignore the naysayers.

templesus

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

Is snipe just some sort of taboo so that just seeing it on a bar makes people automatically hate build? Kind of pathetic to be honest. I saw the first video and didn't see snipe used nearly as much as Acid Spray.

Op, I applaud you for trying something different. It looks like a solid and interesting playstyle. While I would change some skills and gear here and there, it was interesting to watch. You do you, just ignore the naysayers.

Amongst the 1vX/Small Scale community that ability is viewed with more hate then anything else in this game. Ask any 1vXer what ability they want removed from the game. They’ll all answer the same.

It takes 0 skill to sit in the back of a zerg and spam snipe. Couple that with the defile and the fact it will lag and hit you all at once the ability is just downright cancer.

NuarBlack

templesus wrote: »

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

Is snipe just some sort of taboo so that just seeing it on a bar makes people automatically hate build? Kind of pathetic to be honest. I saw the first video and didn't see snipe used nearly as much as Acid Spray.

Op, I applaud you for trying something different. It looks like a solid and interesting playstyle. While I would change some skills and gear here and there, it was interesting to watch. You do you, just ignore the naysayers.

Amongst the 1vX/Small Scale community that ability is viewed with more hate then anything else in this game. Ask any 1vXer what ability they want removed from the game. They’ll all answer the same.

It takes 0 skill to sit in the back of a zerg and spam snipe. Couple that with the defile and the fact it will lag and hit you all at once the ability is just downright cancer.

The skill just needs the de-sync issues fixed. As it took minimal skill to counter prior to the net code becoming garbage and snipe isn't the only skill with the issue either, just for whatever reason it's the favorite whipping child. And 1vXers cry cause they can't pull snipe spammers into bottle necks to ult dump. It actually plays a very important role if eso actually had decent pvp modes. You will never see e-sports based around something as garbage as cyro. So play stupid games(aka cyro) win stupid prizes(getting zerged and ranged spammed). The logic is equivalent to saying that cause mages and hunters in WOW could stand at the back in AV and launch spells and attacks at the front line melee that they should be removed from the game.

templesus

NuarBlack wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

Is snipe just some sort of taboo so that just seeing it on a bar makes people automatically hate build? Kind of pathetic to be honest. I saw the first video and didn't see snipe used nearly as much as Acid Spray.

Op, I applaud you for trying something different. It looks like a solid and interesting playstyle. While I would change some skills and gear here and there, it was interesting to watch. You do you, just ignore the naysayers.

Amongst the 1vX/Small Scale community that ability is viewed with more hate then anything else in this game. Ask any 1vXer what ability they want removed from the game. They’ll all answer the same.

It takes 0 skill to sit in the back of a zerg and spam snipe. Couple that with the defile and the fact it will lag and hit you all at once the ability is just downright cancer.

The skill just needs the de-sync issues fixed. As it took minimal skill to counter prior to the net code becoming garbage and snipe isn't the only skill with the issue either, just for whatever reason it's the favorite whipping child. And 1vXers cry cause they can't pull snipe spammers into bottle necks to ult dump. It actually plays a very important role if eso actually had decent pvp modes. You will never see e-sports based around something as garbage as cyro. So play stupid games(aka cyro) win stupid prizes(getting zerged and ranged spammed). The logic is equivalent to saying that cause mages and hunters in WOW could stand at the back in AV and launch spells and attacks at the front line melee that they should be removed from the game.

Actually it’s not equivalent logic, because in order to kill people in WOW on a mage or hunter you have to actually have skill.

Bevik

susmitds wrote: »

No offense, man, but from my personal experience and from what I have seen over the years, the way for Bow-mains to be successful is to pack a ton of raw damage, which is something your build utterly lacks. At the same time, your sustain is not exactly too great with 1.3k stam recovery. I can understand the choices you made while making the setup, choosing survivability and group support over damage or sustain, even then this build is rather squishy, especially considering that you are a DK. For these reasons, I think you will have a hard time staying alive if focused by anyone.
Comparing it to other classes of bow builds, you will find that templars have slightly higher damage potential and sustain even with Poison abilities with the new rune, sorcs have a natural execution in place, wardens have higher sustain and survivability and lastly NBs have way higher damage potential, sustain and survivability via Cloak.

For e.g. my NB Khajiit bow build has opposite stats compared to yours. 5k effective weapon damage, 60% crit, 37k stamina, 200% crit damage multiplier, 18k penetration, 2k stam recovery, 14k magicka but at the cost of having only 13k HP out of PvP (becomes 18.3k in PvP) and only 17k resists, 1.4k crit resists fully buffed with just 2 impen on gear. But, in spite of my ridiculously low HP, I hardly ever die unless zerged down, due to the insane survivability Cloak brings to the table, along with a 17k tooltip Vigor, which crits a lot for me. Most people die in one or two snipes, which indirectly helps me survive as you can't kill me if you are already dead.


I can easily pump out over 10K DPS on two different targets solo, killing them both.

Interestingly, I fought a S&B back bar/Bow main bar StamDK just a few days, with a very similar setup to yours (5 impregnable, 5 morag tong, 2 velidreth)

My basic skill use is quite similar to yours but I use Power Extraction instead of Acid Spray, as Power Extraction got a 10k tooltip for me and hits far harder than Acid Spray and generates Ultimate and gives magicka max bonus from Siphoning passives, even though it is at melee range.

Care to share the build? Can be PM even.

NuarBlack

templesus wrote: »

NuarBlack wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Dracan_Fontom wrote: »

Is snipe just some sort of taboo so that just seeing it on a bar makes people automatically hate build? Kind of pathetic to be honest. I saw the first video and didn't see snipe used nearly as much as Acid Spray.

Op, I applaud you for trying something different. It looks like a solid and interesting playstyle. While I would change some skills and gear here and there, it was interesting to watch. You do you, just ignore the naysayers.

Amongst the 1vX/Small Scale community that ability is viewed with more hate then anything else in this game. Ask any 1vXer what ability they want removed from the game. They’ll all answer the same.

It takes 0 skill to sit in the back of a zerg and spam snipe. Couple that with the defile and the fact it will lag and hit you all at once the ability is just downright cancer.

The skill just needs the de-sync issues fixed. As it took minimal skill to counter prior to the net code becoming garbage and snipe isn't the only skill with the issue either, just for whatever reason it's the favorite whipping child. And 1vXers cry cause they can't pull snipe spammers into bottle necks to ult dump. It actually plays a very important role if eso actually had decent pvp modes. You will never see e-sports based around something as garbage as cyro. So play stupid games(aka cyro) win stupid prizes(getting zerged and ranged spammed). The logic is equivalent to saying that cause mages and hunters in WOW could stand at the back in AV and launch spells and attacks at the front line melee that they should be removed from the game.

Actually it’s not equivalent logic, because in order to kill people in WOW on a mage or hunter you have to actually have skill.

Bahahahaha you must not have played wow as hunters and mages could sit in the back of the zerg in AV and *** people with minimal effort or skill. Now if you are talking WSG or AB or Arenas you have a point. Which was my point as well. Snipe only over performs in cyro zergs or when it becomes desynced. Which isn't a snipe issue it's a cyro issue and a net code issue. Out side of that snipe actually sucks. It's so easy to dodge, block, reflect or absorb. Not to mention it is one of the few skills with a cast time. So if you are dying to it outside of cyro zergs you are bad and refuse to slot a gap closer or have been outlasted cause you are crutching on the heavy armor meta and couldn't heavy attack enough cause they kited the *** out of you which does take skill.

montjie

exeeter702 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

You know... It was after I posted it I thought to myself. Maybe hes just trolling.
But I went *** it, ill find out soon enough.

You got me good man I must admit lol

on a serious note world in ruin changes actually benefit bow stamDks more than anyone else, that much is not sarcasm. (a change meant to help PvE dps, they probably believe the class is fine in PvP from my understanding.)

The change is weird. DK didnt really need that buff. If they wanted to help with sustain they should have reworked battle roar imo. Not make 2 (3 if you count stinky breath too) already cheap abilities even cheaper (for pve that is). And make it easier for people to spam ranged snares like crazy (in pvp).
Heavy attack rotations already had no sustain issues and light attack rotations were doable if you didnt have to recast your aoe's prematurely and you had shard/orb support.
I do wonder if the poison morph of the bow ult also gets reduced in cost. Corrosive didnt

exeeter702 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

No.........just no!
"Hurr durr let me just sit back nd spam snares nd snipes from max distance on enemy players already engaged in combat like a total dirtbag."

Stop promoting this crappy excuse of a playstyle!

No offense to the op, he/she means well and put the post together well enough, but while i do not think the build is particularly good, to take offense from the mere idea of a ranged bow build is hilarious, should i assume this is your first mmo? Crappy excuse of a play style? Lol what? There are dynamics to ranged kiting and keeping melee off of you and has been a staple of mmorpgs for as long as the genre has existed. Also to force DK into a singular aechetype (a stand your ground tanky brawler... ok?) is incredibly disingenuous and inaccurate.

The only thing hilarious is you trying to lecture people while not knowing what theyre talking about.

Fair enough if your orginal comment that was quoted was sarcasm. Otherwise, the point stands.

It wasnt sarcasm. You just missed the point.

exeeter702

montjie wrote: »

No.........just no!
"Hurr durr let me just sit back nd spam snares nd snipes from max distance on enemy players already engaged in combat like a total dirtbag."

Stop promoting this crappy excuse of a playstyle!

montjie wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

No.........just no!
"Hurr durr let me just sit back nd spam snares nd snipes from max distance on enemy players already engaged in combat like a total dirtbag."

Stop promoting this crappy excuse of a playstyle!

This is pretty much how zenimax wants people to play stamDk, so why blame him?

Also why are you acting like this is the first time you see a bow build? If anything this is much more forgiving than eating 10-15k snipes to the knee from a stamblade.

You derived this based on one gimmicky sustain buff?
So stamdk..A brawler, stand-your-ground tank type of class (isnt that what every1 says) is now ment to be played as a range quasi interruptor. Is that what youre saying. All because they got a 'buff' that reduces their used poison damage based abilities. Is that what youre saying???
So the brawler is supposed to roam the back lines of the fight spamming ranged snares instead of being on the frontlines. Is that what youre saying!?!?

The only thing you can get out of my post is that I strongly dislike that type of leeching gameplay. What you mean why am I acting like blabla?

Also so what. Losing 2 limbs is worse than losing 1 but I still would be devastated if I lost 1 limb though. What kind of argument is that.
Also also. That being forgiving part can be discussed over. Snipes dont snare the living hell out of you and cant be spammed as fast as Spray. Snipes have a cue which leave room open for counterplay (if the game doesnt bug out that is)
One could argue a Snipe spammer would be way more forgiving to deal with than a Spray spammer while you already are engaged with other enemies and said one could be right.

Stamdk ment to be played that way according to zos...Gimme a break man

montjie wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

You know... It was after I posted it I thought to myself. Maybe hes just trolling.
But I went *** it, ill find out soon enough.

You got me good man I must admit lol

on a serious note world in ruin changes actually benefit bow stamDks more than anyone else, that much is not sarcasm. (a change meant to help PvE dps, they probably believe the class is fine in PvP from my understanding.)

The change is weird. DK didnt really need that buff. If they wanted to help with sustain they should have reworked battle roar imo. Not make 2 (3 if you count stinky breath too) already cheap abilities even cheaper (for pve that is). And make it easier for people to spam ranged snares like crazy (in pvp).
Heavy attack rotations already had no sustain issues and light attack rotations were doable if you didnt have to recast your aoe's prematurely and you had shard/orb support.
I do wonder if the poison morph of the bow ult also gets reduced in cost. Corrosive didnt

exeeter702 wrote: »

montjie wrote: »

No.........just no!
"Hurr durr let me just sit back nd spam snares nd snipes from max distance on enemy players already engaged in combat like a total dirtbag."

Stop promoting this crappy excuse of a playstyle!

No offense to the op, he/she means well and put the post together well enough, but while i do not think the build is particularly good, to take offense from the mere idea of a ranged bow build is hilarious, should i assume this is your first mmo? Crappy excuse of a play style? Lol what? There are dynamics to ranged kiting and keeping melee off of you and has been a staple of mmorpgs for as long as the genre has existed. Also to force DK into a singular aechetype (a stand your ground tanky brawler... ok?) is incredibly disingenuous and inaccurate.

The only thing hilarious is you trying to lecture people while not knowing what theyre talking about.

Fair enough if your orginal comment that was quoted was sarcasm. Otherwise, the point stands.

It wasnt sarcasm. You just missed the point.

Dks arent exclusively tanky brawlers
Ranged kiting dot build playstyles are perfectly fine

What was your point then?

*shrug

Toc de Malsvi

I much prefer my builds, can't have that nasty S&B holding up my style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53JyG_PEGHo&t=2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V9tp2UjslU&t=2s