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Is Shrouded Daggers the most underrated DW AOE ability?
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I don't see this in any build guides, but I have great success with this skill. In addition to (or replacement of) Whirling Blades/Steel Tornado.
While this skill may not propel any DPS parses over the top, the great thing about it is that it allows you to maintain a high degree of front bar DPS, without having to stand in the fire! This is great during high mobility boss fights with adds. Also, it does not impede your movement speed like WB/ST. Whirling Blades allows to damage 3+ mobs, but they have to be stacked and this is less likely during boss fights.
While it doesn't have any execute funtionality, it can be spammed and gives Major Brutality (!) which is 20% damage increase. The only other source of this buff is from a DK Molten Weapons.
I have been using this skill for a long time and hesitate to remove it from my bar. I increasingly use it as my spammable in boss fights with adds.
What are your opinions on this skill? I never hear it mentioned or listed in build guides.
While this skill may not propel any DPS parses over the top, the great thing about it is that it allows you to maintain a high degree of front bar DPS, without having to stand in the fire! This is great during high mobility boss fights with adds. Also, it does not impede your movement speed like WB/ST. Whirling Blades allows to damage 3+ mobs, but they have to be stacked and this is less likely during boss fights.
While it doesn't have any execute funtionality, it can be spammed and gives Major Brutality (!) which is 20% damage increase. The only other source of this buff is from a DK Molten Weapons.
I have been using this skill for a long time and hesitate to remove it from my bar. I increasingly use it as my spammable in boss fights with adds.
What are your opinions on this skill? I never hear it mentioned or listed in build guides.
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magictucktuck✭✭✭✭✭Most people use potions for major brutality. there is a ton of ways to get it, and the standard assumption everyone has it active all the time. im guessing you are a stamina dk since you mentioned molten weapons.
but i do use shrouded daggers when im not in a trial or any serious content as to not waste money on pots. so really for dungeons or maelstrom when im not going for score.
EDIT: point is, its a good skill but everyone is getting MB from other sources so its not worth the skill slot, thats why you dont see it in build videos because they are showing what to run in IDEAL raid/pvp situations. not just pugging something casualEdited by magictucktuck on October 31, 2018 5:02PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's basically the spammable of my Stam Sorc for anything not purely single target.
Its much cheaper than Steel Tornado and from 100% to 20% it does more damage.
It's definitely a good skill.
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That makes sense, but even when potting, I find myself spamming it during boss fights with adds.magictucktuck wrote: »EDIT: point is, its a good skill but everyone is getting MB from other sources so its not worth the skill slot, thats why you dont see it in build videos because they are showing what to run in IDEAL raid/pvp situations. not just pugging something casual
It certainly is the ultimate skill for trash as most people aren't going to pot for that.
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Greysson✭✭✭✭The builds, if from Alcast, Fearturbo or anyone else like them, are optimized for endgame content with pots, group buffs/debuffs and stuff.
Its the "you will get 0,1% more dps if you use skill x" thing.
Shrouded daggers is really good.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's a great skill. It wont beat Crushing Weapon ST, and it wont beat Steel Tornado for AOE, but it is a good mix. It also gives some range and some cleave for trash fights that have high priority targets. For example, I love it in the gauntlets in VMOL where certain adds still need to be focused. It is still my go to spam skill for my stam sorc in PVE. I dont like it as much in PVP, because I think Steel Tornado is better most of the time if for no other reason than the execute bonus.1 -
I love it. It's my main spam-thing on my StamSorc
Awesome for solo/questing/vMA/trashpacks/beingLazy/dungeons. The Major Brutality is a detail, as I use pots, but it's helpfull if you don't :P (Stamsorc has even surge for that). Any other class, not so sure about using it...
Yes, crushing weapon and steel tornado are better in their specific roles, BUT those daggers do it all
This is a perfect example of a skill that is not OP, but not bad at all aswell!
Btw, i like the animation ALOT more as crushing and Tornado. and it's second BiS anyway.
Enjoy your Daggers! So do I
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✭✭✭✭✭Only problem is it hits just 3 targets max.CP1,900+ Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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tunepunk✭✭✭✭✭It's a good skill, but I tend to prefer silver shards lately instead of this one. I think Silver shards does slightly more damage to the first target. Somewhere in between Crushing weapon and Shrouded Daggers. It deals a decent amount of AOE as well, and hit's more targets than Shrouded. And Nice with a little bit extra % weapon damage from Fighters Guild passive.
The only downside of Silver shards is that it does not trigger weapon enchants, but if you weave in light attacks or other skills, they will trigger often enough anyway.
But I agree, Shrouded Daggers is pretty good spammable, and nice with some AOE damage as well.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's a good skill, but I tend to prefer silver shards lately instead of this one. I think Silver shards does slightly more damage to the first target. Somewhere in between Crushing weapon and Shrouded Daggers. It deals a decent amount of AOE as well, and hit's more targets than Shrouded. And Nice with a little bit extra % weapon damage from Fighters Guild passive.
The only downside of Silver shards is that it does not trigger weapon enchants, but if you weave in light attacks or other skills, they will trigger often enough anyway.
But I agree, Shrouded Daggers is pretty good spammable, and nice with some AOE damage as well.
Silver Shards is OK, but it costs 300-400 more stamina per cast, and the AoE portion does 50% less damage than the initial, while Shrouded does increased damage on the 2nd and 3rd target (20% more and 40% more) and it's 8m instead of 5m which is a huge difference.
My preference would be Shrouded but I can see the use of Silver on undead/daedra as well as the bonus 3% WD that slotting it gives you.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭When you want a spammable with an aoe component built in, this works very well. I use it on my stam sorc where I just don't have bar space for steel tornado and another spammable all the time or on my stam DK for similar reasons. It may not be the best at any given role, but fills multiple roles which makes it great sometimes... and that's more than a lot of other abilities can brag about.1 -
Joosef_Kivikilpi✭✭✭✭Would that proc both enchants on the dual wield bar? Could deal some nasty damage to a small PVP group.
*asking in relation to all the buzz with enchantment changes*0 -
getemshauna✭✭✭✭✭For pledges seems ok, but steel tornado clears groups way more effective and for pure single target Rending Slashes seems much better in terms of sustain, damage and utility.Founder of Call of the Undaunted
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raj72616a✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »
in overland pve and delves, those 3 trash mob packs die within 2 seconds.
i've never beem tempted to pull them together.2
