So scamming the unaware is ok now?

rune476

Seeing this saddens me. Asking for a bite will more than often give it for free. The few i've seen charging anything has been ridiculed. And now ZOS wants 1000 crowns for a bite? And 800 crowns for a cure?

If you go to a priest of arkay, which can be found in any mages guild, they will cure you for a measly 600 gold.

Currently, new players only get shown the crown option for the curses. No mention that other players can give it for free, nor that the arkay cure is only 0.25% of the crown price, if going by 1 crown = 300 gold


So i take it that taking advantage of new players are ok now? Is that what im to understand?

Turelus

800... F M L

I ranted about it when it first came in the article, but now I've seen the price (how long's it been up? haven't checked the store in a few days).

I think at this point the people doing the Crown Store side of ESO really don't give a damn about the image they set, they'll exploit players lack of knowledge if they can. Really disappointed in the upper management letting this one go live in this way.

qbit

I paid a lot of crowns for a respec token before I learned you could do it at shrines. I was still in Vanderfell as my starting zone when I was a new player. Had never been to a place with such a shrine.

That was my first experience feeling one of molag bal’s penetrating anchors inside me.

Edit: I mean dark anchor beside me

AzraelKrieg

Outrage about the bite being the store was voiced a number of years ago. I even made a thread that still gets bumped every so often. At this point we just have to accept that ZOS put them for the people that want the skill lines, have the money to spend and don't want to do the quest attached to getting those skill lines.

Reverb

It’s up to us in the community to prevent players from being taken advantage of by this predatory crowd store offerings.

Please everybody, do your part by making sure zone and guild chats know bites and cures are readily available in game, especially in starter zones or where new players congregate. Not just this week, but regularly.

Turelus

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Outrage about the bite being the store was voiced a number of years ago. I even made a thread that still gets bumped every so often. At this point we just have to accept that ZOS put them for the people that want the skill lines, have the money to spend and don't want to do the quest attached to getting those skill lines.

That I am fine with, however the removal needs to state in VERY BIG CLEAR LETTERS that this is also available in game for 300g, and where it is located.

If that's the case I will tone my rage from 11 back down to an acceptable 7.

Pheefs

Turelus wrote: »

needs to state in VERY BIG CLEAR LETTERS that this is also available in game, and where it is located.

YES!
Everything in the crown store with an in-world gold option should TELL YOU that the gold version exists.

Turelus

Pheefs wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

needs to state in VERY BIG CLEAR LETTERS that this is also available in game, and where it is located.

YES!
Everything in the crown store with an in-world gold option should TELL YOU that the gold version exists.

From my understanding the bites do this, I just don't know how clear it is. I've never checked that section as I have friends with bites and stacks of gold for cures.

I would be accepting of some kind of confirmation pop up which states it's available in game and where.

MagicalLija

I guess a very long time ago, Werewolves and Vampires were probably rarer. i think they don't realise people have like all their characters either a WW or vamp.

Respect4Elders

See guys. Even ZO$ charges for bites so stop making a fuss when I ask for 5k at the shrine.

magictucktuck

Yeah they really should put a note that it is 638 gold or whatever in giant letters under vamp and werewolf and remove this.. i get convince things being in the store but its already CONVENIENT to remove it, it takes 30 seconds... as much as i usually defend changes and stuff, this should be removed as to not blatantly scam newcomers. especially since there is no official zos anything on how to get or remove vamp or werewolf. so newcomers will not know any better.

VaranisArano

I don't mind charging for bites. I got my vampire bite in game in less than 10 minutes by offering to pay 5k. I paid for the convenience. Paying 1k crowns for a bite is the same principle.

But paying 800 crowns for a cure that you can get from an NPC for 600 gold?!

If ZOS tells players upfront they can get cured by an NPC (priest of Arkay in the mages Guild in the Rift, Bangkorai, or Reapers March) for 600 gold, then fine. That's paying 800 crowns for the convenience of not having to hunt down an NPC.

If they don't tell players that, then thats just preying on playet ignorance. Fitting for predators like vampires and werewolves, but a darned shame for a game company.

Acrolas

I still feel this was the result of some requests to have a Crown cure as an alternative to having to exit certain time-commitment content like Cyrodiil or trials/arenas.

It's not priced for casual use.


And consumers are capable of informing themselves. It's a bit offensive to suggest they can't; all the information you need to know about the skill line is in that Skill Line section. It's a bit offensive to suggest that not annotating every item somehow equates to manipulation or scamming.

It's perfectly acceptable for a copywriter to take into account all the information somebody would receive prior to getting to a certain point. That's why the Crown curse copy gives you quest information that Thoreki would have given you regarding the cure, but by the time you need a cure you would have read either the Crown curse copy or spoken to Thoreki.

Edit: Or Vorundil, in the case of vampirism.

qbit

You really shouldn’t be surprised when this is a thing in the game... there is a reason those anchors don’t attach to the outter parts of the dolmen and instead go right into the center like that.

Elsonso

Turelus wrote: »

800... F M L

I ranted about it when it first came in the article, but now I've seen the price (how long's it been up? haven't checked the store in a few days).

I think at this point the people doing the Crown Store side of ESO really don't give a damn about the image they set, they'll exploit players lack of knowledge if they can. Really disappointed in the upper management letting this one go live in this way.

Wait. After seeing how they charge 1500 Crowns for a single outfit slot... and conveniently fail to mention in the in-game material that it is only one (1) outfit slot for one (1) character... and let people assume whatever they want until after purchase... you just arrived at that conclusion?

DUTCH_REAPER

I will give bites for free. Send me a PM. PC NA. I got you bruh

qbit

lordrichter wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

800... F M L

I ranted about it when it first came in the article, but now I've seen the price (how long's it been up? haven't checked the store in a few days).

I think at this point the people doing the Crown Store side of ESO really don't give a damn about the image they set, they'll exploit players lack of knowledge if they can. Really disappointed in the upper management letting this one go live in this way.

Wait. After seeing how they charge 1500 Crowns for a single outfit slot... and conveniently fail to mention in the in-game material that it is only one (1) outfit slot for one (1) character... and let people assume whatever they want until after purchase... you just arrived at that conclusion?

They’re taking the whole molag bal god of penetration a little too seriously at ZOS

Edit: god of domination. Sorry. Stupid iPhone keyboard

JKorr

Turelus wrote: »

Pheefs wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

needs to state in VERY BIG CLEAR LETTERS that this is also available in game, and where it is located.

YES!
Everything in the crown store with an in-world gold option should TELL YOU that the gold version exists.

From my understanding the bites do this, I just don't know how clear it is. I've never checked that section as I have friends with bites and stacks of gold for cures.

I would be accepting of some kind of confirmation pop up which states it's available in game and where.

Yes, if you do the quest, the npc [Thoreki] who gives it to you tells you there's a priest in the Mages' guild who can cure you. I don't recall at the moment if the Packmaster also explains you can be cured or not. I think he does. I'll be making another ww shortly though, so I'll make a note if he does.

The skill lines showed up in the crown store originally because of the wonderful players who kept killing all the spawns so anyone who wanted to be a werewolf or vamp had to pay the wonderful players thousands of gold for a bite. Many, many complaining threads on the forums about it before they appeared in the crown store.

EDIT: of course, the people who don't bother to listen/read the dialogue will miss it.

Turelus

lordrichter wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

800... F M L

I ranted about it when it first came in the article, but now I've seen the price (how long's it been up? haven't checked the store in a few days).

I think at this point the people doing the Crown Store side of ESO really don't give a damn about the image they set, they'll exploit players lack of knowledge if they can. Really disappointed in the upper management letting this one go live in this way.

Wait. After seeing how they charge 1500 Crowns for a single outfit slot... and conveniently fail to mention in the in-game material that it is only one (1) outfit slot for one (1) character... and let people assume whatever they want until after purchase... you just arrived at that conclusion?

No, but considering how cynical I am of the games industry as a whole these days I try to foster some hope inside...

TheShadowScout

rune476 wrote: »

I can only say...
...
Lazyness has its price!

All this can be had with only a little effort in-game.

Take note, all you "gimme crowd". Anything "convenience improvement" you ask for, this is how you will get it, laughably overpriced!

Turelus

TheShadowScout wrote: »

rune476 wrote: »

I can only say...
...
Lazyness has its price!

All this can be had with only a little effort in-game.

Take note, all you "gimme crowd". Anything "convenience improvement" you ask for, this is how you will get it, laughably overpriced!

I'm fine if those people waste money on it, if you're fully aware of all the options and make a choice to spend Crowns rather than gold that's 100% fine.
I'm not cool with how much this will effect new players however, they won't know their options clearly (if the store doesn't inform them) and might believe this is the only way to do so.

As said, if someone can confirm that it has clear text before purchase about it being in the game for 600g then I will stop being a grumpy old man about it.

notimetocare

Harsh reality. But maybe, people should learn to Google atuff before spending $10-15? It isn't a scam, it is advertising stuff on sale. Local store advertising bread on sale on an ad, but they dont advertise you cam just make it with these ingredients. SCAM!

How do you learn to make bread instead of buying it? Friends, Family, and... Google

StormChaser3000

It's a punishment for laziness.

If one can't lift a finger and google information for 3 minutes... or is too lazy to go to the mage's guild, they deserve the upcoming consequences. Maybe this will contribute to the development of analytical and research skills in some of them.

ChunkyCat

No time to fix bugs when there are scams to be made in the Crown Store!

Elsonso

StormChaser3000 wrote: »

It's a punishment for laziness.

If one can't lift a finger and google information for 3 minutes... or is too lazy to go to the mage's guild, they deserve the upcoming consequences. Maybe this will contribute to the development of analytical and research skills in some of them.

I think it is part of the opposite. Players are, as a species, lazy. If they have to work for something (they call it 'grinding') then the game is out of touch.

I am waiting for the game to come out that fully embraces the true nature of modern gamers. Lazy and nomadic. They start the game at max level, with all perks and capabilities, and as they play longer, they go down in level, lose perks, and are less powerful. When you play long enough to get to level 1, which no one would have the attention span to achieve, even though it can be done in a few weeks, you have to create a new character and do it all over again. The nomadic nature of the players would assure the studio that no one would get that far.



Yeah, not entirely serious, here.

CrisXD

Its just another way for ZOS to make more money, especially out of the new/less experienced players that are still trying to understand the game. Lets be honest...something like this was inevitable.

albesca

lordrichter wrote: »

I am waiting for the game to come out that fully embraces the true nature of modern gamers. Lazy and nomadic. They start the game at max level, with all perks and capabilities, and as they play longer, they go down in level, lose perks, and are less powerful. When you play long enough to get to level 1, which no one would have the attention span to achieve, even though it can be done in a few weeks, you have to create a new character and do it all over again. The nomadic nature of the players would assure the studio that no one would get that far.



Yeah, not entirely serious, here.

That would answer beautifully to the crowd of "make overland challenging for veteran players", though, and would also cater to the realism lovers (your char ages)

Jayne_Doe

There are other things in the CS that are easily obtained in game, and no one really complains - soul gems, for instance, or even crown repair kits (though those are a bit more useful, repairing all your gear). We also have food and potions. Granted, these items are more visible in the game, as you can loot them from various sources, and the game does a fairly good job of guiding you to crafting.

Then, there are all the motifs. I seem to recall some initial resistance when these were introduced in the CS, but then when players saw the prices, they felt better, as it would mean they could still sell their motifs in-game, as very few would pay those exorbitant prices. Then, when something like Ra Gada was in the CS for a limited-time, all the players started griping about scamming, as they were cheap at that point in-game. Players forgot that the reason for the high price on motifs was to keep them as convenience items and not completely tank the in-game prices. Problem is, I don't think there's any indication on any of the motifs that you can get them in-game. Maybe there is, I've just never bothered to look.

Also, as someone else mentioned, when the bites were introduced, players were still having some difficulty getting bites, as players were purposely killing the in-game monsters who gave these bites and then charging players gold for what they got for free. Yeah, players like to conveniently forget about player greed/scamming.

That's not to say that I don't think that Crown Store items shouldn't be clearly marked. But, it's still up to a player, even if they are new, to inform themselves on various aspects of an MMO. At least the cure is unpurchaseable if your character isn't afflicted.

redspecter23

Shame on ZOS for this.

The cure is available in game for an amount of gold that equivalent worth 2 crowns or less.

This is a cash grab on the ignorant.

How can ZOS feel good about that at all?

If they go forward with this, it's an admission that predatory practices are something they are willing to be a part of.

Feanor

What I find more irritating is that there are players - in this thread even - who are defending stuff like that with a vehemence that makes you believe their life depends on ZOS marketing.

zaria

AndrejLeo wrote: »

I guess a very long time ago, Werewolves and Vampires were probably rarer. i think they don't realise people have like all their characters either a WW or vamp.

The bites are pretty ok, back at launch bites was expensive as it was hard to get and people speculated in it.
Obviously it fissile out then its so many characters who can bite
The greed back then is remembered so its common to give bites for free while pay for crafting.

Stuff who is cheap and easy to get in game by npc should not be sold expensive in crown store.