Feel bad for Mageblades in PvP.

Rex-Umbra

On my MageDK I constantly destroy them with reflect and none of their abilities can even damage me and they just kill themselves.

THE_BIG_BOSS

They are total Trash now but BLEEDS + enchantment procs will destroy your magdk

Ruckly

Mageblades /w Spell Strategist set on a map with all milgates + bridges destroyed might be the end of cyrodill if mageblades get a buff in the future because players getting corridored and ganked. Might never be a problem on console but PC has quick set swap add-ons.

VaranisArano

I do feel bad for Magblades who only slot reflectable skills and persist in using them against a MagDK with wings up. About as sorry as a rock feels when it beats scissors.

I mean, I've got huge flapping dragon wings up, and they still hit me with reflectable attacks? At this point, I'm sorry, but Wings is a pretty well known and obvious counter to a range-only MagBlade. So if you build a range-only MagBlade, what exactly do you expect to happen?

Maybe don't build a one trick pony and whine when you find someone who can counter your one trick.

Sergykid

magblades
MAG

MAGblades

it's MAGBLADES
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Gatviper

Guess those magblades didn't yet figure out the awesomness of Crushing Shock spammable. Makes me laugh at DKs who're flashing their wings and get surprised when they do nothing.

themaddaedra

VaranisArano wrote: »

I do feel bad for Magblades who only slot reflectable skills and persist in using them against a MagDK with wings up. About as sorry as a rock feels when it beats scissors.

I mean, I've got huge flapping dragon wings up, and they still hit me with reflectable attacks? At this point, I'm sorry, but Wings is a pretty well known and obvious counter to a range-only MagBlade. So if you build a range-only MagBlade, what exactly do you expect to happen?

Maybe don't build a one trick pony and whine when you find someone who can counter your one trick.

I don't get rekt by wings as i don't hit the person using them, but if you think a melee magblade has more chances against magdk than ranged nb then you don't have any idea what you are about. DK is a complete melee monster. At this point i have to say there's not really much a magblade can do against magdk. Maybe lightning heavy attacks from range lol. And you can also waste your meteor. Dk will survive either tho.

Edit: Typo.

BigBadVolk

themaddaedra wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I do feel bad for Magblades who only slot reflectable skills and persist in using them against a MagDK with wings up. About as sorry as a rock feels when it beats scissors.

I mean, I've got huge flapping dragon wings up, and they still hit me with reflectable attacks? At this point, I'm sorry, but Wings is a pretty well known and obvious counter to a range-only MagBlade. So if you build a range-only MagBlade, what exactly do you expect to happen?

Maybe don't build a one trick pony and whine when you find someone who can counter your one trick.

I don't get rekt by wings as i don't hit the person using them, but if you think a melee magblade has more chances against magdk than ranged nb then you don't have any idea what you are about. DK is a complete melee monster. At this point i have to say there's not really much a magblade can do against magdk. Maybe lightning heavy attacks from range lol. And you can also waste your meteor. Dk will survive either tho.

Edit: Typo.

This, If I want to go melee its better making a stamblade or just full go cancer with dw enchant torug build also at least we have some defense against their aoes

ScruffyWhiskers

If you go close quarters with a magDK as a vamp melee magblade you will feel the burnz. I just heavy restro tickle attack until he turns and looks at me and then run like hell. Now if there are a lot of people beating on the magDK you could get a little more aggressive but you really need to be careful.

Knootewoot

If I go ranged with swallow soul, I kill myself against MagDK. If I go melee with concealed weapon I get whipped to death (aye, I'm a vamp)

There is no chance for me against them sadly. Might need crushing shock and keep distance....

WaltherCarraway

Or piercing mark cloak till wing bubble gone soul harvest spectral bow and concealed.

none of these reflectible after cloak combo.

ScruffyWhiskers

Once you come to terms with the rock, paper and scissors match ups it's really not bad. There are class and builds that some class and builds just can't go toe to toe with. If I see a stam sorc with hurricane up I know that's just not going to work. I won't get a concealed stun and he will be moving a lot faster than me.

On the otherhand, there are some class and builds that can pretty much deal with anything....some more efficiently than others.

mb10

Gatviper wrote: »

Guess those magblades didn't yet figure out the awesomness of Crushing Shock spammable. Makes me laugh at DKs who're flashing their wings and get surprised when they do nothing.

erm yeah except crushing shock doesnt heal you and the light attack weave still reflects so... no lol thats not killing any decent DK with a brain

Gatviper

That is why you slot Regeneration (and morphs) on second bar, keeping in mind that Crushing Shock also interrupts people on casting & stuns them, so it's not just useful against DKs. Just don't light-attack when you see a DK, put out a Meteor and spam Crushing Shock (and Valkyn Skoria meteor also can't be reflected btw. so you can use that set).

Koensol

VaranisArano wrote: »

I do feel bad for Magblades who only slot reflectable skills and persist in using them against a MagDK with wings up. About as sorry as a rock feels when it beats scissors.

I mean, I've got huge flapping dragon wings up, and they still hit me with reflectable attacks? At this point, I'm sorry, but Wings is a pretty well known and obvious counter to a range-only MagBlade. So if you build a range-only MagBlade, what exactly do you expect to happen?

Maybe don't build a one trick pony and whine when you find someone who can counter your one trick.

Tell me, what singular skill in the game hardcounters magdk's specifically and makes them unable to put any pressure on thwir opponent and forces them to spam heals or run? Make sure to think hard. Can't think of a skill? Aaah that's what I thought.

ak_pvp

Koensol wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I do feel bad for Magblades who only slot reflectable skills and persist in using them against a MagDK with wings up. About as sorry as a rock feels when it beats scissors.

I mean, I've got huge flapping dragon wings up, and they still hit me with reflectable attacks? At this point, I'm sorry, but Wings is a pretty well known and obvious counter to a range-only MagBlade. So if you build a range-only MagBlade, what exactly do you expect to happen?

Maybe don't build a one trick pony and whine when you find someone who can counter your one trick.

Tell me, what singular skill in the game hardcounters magdk's specifically and makes them unable to put any pressure on thwir opponent and forces them to spam heals or run? Make sure to think hard. Can't think of a skill? Aaah that's what I thought.

Cloak.
Stops all DK dots, stops single target cause ya can't see them, so you have to waste resources trying to reveal them (if they are bad anyway and don't make range or shade) to which they can just recloak and forcemiss your attack.

Harness, sort of non specific but makes you able to stalemate vs all mag classes. Basically a free 7/8k heal.

Ah, you are being biased and ignorant purposefully. Aaah that is what I thought.

ak_pvp

The DK nerf train has decided to try the stealth (heh) route. The OP is a magblade surprise surprise, look at his post history.
I have already mentioned what I think. I don't like wings. Its easy to force a stalemate with them vs nb/sorc. But they are absurdly weak under outnumbered pressure or vs melee builds.

One thing though OP, if you die on wings, you are head-in-arse ***.

Koensol

ak_pvp wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I do feel bad for Magblades who only slot reflectable skills and persist in using them against a MagDK with wings up. About as sorry as a rock feels when it beats scissors.

I mean, I've got huge flapping dragon wings up, and they still hit me with reflectable attacks? At this point, I'm sorry, but Wings is a pretty well known and obvious counter to a range-only MagBlade. So if you build a range-only MagBlade, what exactly do you expect to happen?

Maybe don't build a one trick pony and whine when you find someone who can counter your one trick.

Tell me, what singular skill in the game hardcounters magdk's specifically and makes them unable to put any pressure on thwir opponent and forces them to spam heals or run? Make sure to think hard. Can't think of a skill? Aaah that's what I thought.

Cloak.
Stops all DK dots, stops single target cause ya can't see them, so you have to waste resources trying to reveal them (if they are bad anyway and don't make range or shade) to which they can just recloak and forcemiss your attack.

Harness, sort of non specific but makes you able to stalemate vs all mag classes. Basically a free 7/8k heal.

Ah, you are being biased and ignorant purposefully. Aaah that is what I thought.

Please... try at least to be somewhat reasonable. Cloak is a ridiculous skill in its current form. I will agree with you on that. It doesn't however hardcounter magdk, nor does it force them to spam heals or prevent them from putting up counter pressure. And it is never up 100% of the time, unlike in a magdk vs magblade 1v1 where wings are permanently up while the magdk hammers you and spams roots and fossilize on you. Now if nbs could damage you while staying invisible, it would be a valid comparison.

Magdk vs medium stamblade very frequently ended in a magdk win. Most rollerblades get rekt hard by a good leap + whip combo (not sure rn with shuffle tho, haven't tested enough to tell). Not talking about heavy bleedblade, because that is some broken ***.

But cloak vs magdk is not even close to how hard ranged magblade gets countered by a magdk. All you have to do it keep up wings and you cannot lose. That is just ridiculous. I can make any duel against a magdk end up in a stalemate on my magblade. Really, great fun!

russelmmendoza

Twisting path
Debilitate
Darkshades
Impale

Stand over there please.

Jeremy

I feel bad for anyone in PvP who is up against a well-played Dragon Knight.

Chrysa1is

Sergykid wrote: »

magblades
MAG

MAGblades

it's MAGBLADES
.

anyone remember that thread called "trigger the forums in 1 sentence?"

^

ak_pvp

Koensol wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I do feel bad for Magblades who only slot reflectable skills and persist in using them against a MagDK with wings up. About as sorry as a rock feels when it beats scissors.

I mean, I've got huge flapping dragon wings up, and they still hit me with reflectable attacks? At this point, I'm sorry, but Wings is a pretty well known and obvious counter to a range-only MagBlade. So if you build a range-only MagBlade, what exactly do you expect to happen?

Maybe don't build a one trick pony and whine when you find someone who can counter your one trick.

Tell me, what singular skill in the game hardcounters magdk's specifically and makes them unable to put any pressure on thwir opponent and forces them to spam heals or run? Make sure to think hard. Can't think of a skill? Aaah that's what I thought.

Cloak.
Stops all DK dots, stops single target cause ya can't see them, so you have to waste resources trying to reveal them (if they are bad anyway and don't make range or shade) to which they can just recloak and forcemiss your attack.

Harness, sort of non specific but makes you able to stalemate vs all mag classes. Basically a free 7/8k heal.

Ah, you are being biased and ignorant purposefully. Aaah that is what I thought.

Please... try at least to be somewhat reasonable. Cloak is a ridiculous skill in its current form. I will agree with you on that. It doesn't however hardcounter magdk, nor does it force them to spam heals or prevent them from putting up counter pressure. Magdk vs medium stamblade very frequently ended in a magdk win. Most rollerblades get rekt hard by a good leap + whip combo (not sure rn with shuffle tho, haven't tested enough to tell). Not talking about heavy bleedblade, because that is some broken ***.

But cloak vs magdk is not even close to how hard ranged magblade gets countered by a magdk. All you have to do it keep up wings and you cannot lose. That is just ridiculous. I can make any duel against a magdk end up in a stalemate on my magblade. Really, great fun!

Wings doesn't force NB to spam heals. Unless you are shooting your load right into them and getting the splashback. And then you are doing a lot wrong.
[It doesn't] "Prevent them from putting up counter pressure"
Yes it does. Literally no pressure from a DK goes through, you leave them, no pressure, you try AoEing, no pressure, meanwhile a magblade has path and the like to at least attempt to go through wings. Is wings fair, hell no. But cloak is just as bad, and works vs nearly every class in the game.

MagDK v Stamblade was a fair fight in a duel situation where the NB couldn't run too far or hide and recharge. Now 10/10 if both are equal skill it goes towards the SNB in either situation. A few patches ago power whip and embers were made dodgable, and using fossilize is like saying "pls roll me."
Since shuffle exists the few attacks that get through cloak deal less dmg. The ult that can get through roll deals less dmg, and can be walked out of, cause leap is wonky.
The new rending proccing both enchant on CD meta puts them at a greater advantage, oh, and guess what. Cloak means rending, and therefor the enchants, are suppressed. Funny that.

All you have to do is keep up wings to not lose. All you have to do is keep up cloak to not lose back. If you know the DK is playing for stalemates, *** em. And if *** gets hairy, escape. Good luck doing so with wings.

Wing

crushing shock is the first destro skill unlocked and is not reflectable, I don't feel bad.

also even if you cannot BEAT an opponent a good mage blade will NEVER die to ANYONE ever. you don't get that kind of power with no drawback

Koensol

ak_pvp wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I do feel bad for Magblades who only slot reflectable skills and persist in using them against a MagDK with wings up. About as sorry as a rock feels when it beats scissors.

I mean, I've got huge flapping dragon wings up, and they still hit me with reflectable attacks? At this point, I'm sorry, but Wings is a pretty well known and obvious counter to a range-only MagBlade. So if you build a range-only MagBlade, what exactly do you expect to happen?

Maybe don't build a one trick pony and whine when you find someone who can counter your one trick.

Tell me, what singular skill in the game hardcounters magdk's specifically and makes them unable to put any pressure on thwir opponent and forces them to spam heals or run? Make sure to think hard. Can't think of a skill? Aaah that's what I thought.

Cloak.
Stops all DK dots, stops single target cause ya can't see them, so you have to waste resources trying to reveal them (if they are bad anyway and don't make range or shade) to which they can just recloak and forcemiss your attack.

Harness, sort of non specific but makes you able to stalemate vs all mag classes. Basically a free 7/8k heal.

Ah, you are being biased and ignorant purposefully. Aaah that is what I thought.

Please... try at least to be somewhat reasonable. Cloak is a ridiculous skill in its current form. I will agree with you on that. It doesn't however hardcounter magdk, nor does it force them to spam heals or prevent them from putting up counter pressure. Magdk vs medium stamblade very frequently ended in a magdk win. Most rollerblades get rekt hard by a good leap + whip combo (not sure rn with shuffle tho, haven't tested enough to tell). Not talking about heavy bleedblade, because that is some broken ***.

But cloak vs magdk is not even close to how hard ranged magblade gets countered by a magdk. All you have to do it keep up wings and you cannot lose. That is just ridiculous. I can make any duel against a magdk end up in a stalemate on my magblade. Really, great fun!

Wings doesn't force NB to spam heals. Unless you are shooting your load right into them and getting the splashback. And then you are doing a lot wrong.
[It doesn't] "Prevent them from putting up counter pressure"
Yes it does. Literally no pressure from a DK goes through, you leave them, no pressure, you try AoEing, no pressure, meanwhile a magblade has path and the like to at least attempt to go through wings. Is wings fair, hell no. But cloak is just as bad, and works vs nearly every class in the game.

MagDK v Stamblade was a fair fight in a duel situation where the NB couldn't run too far or hide and recharge. Now 10/10 if both are equal skill it goes towards the SNB in either situation. A few patches ago power whip and embers were made dodgable, and using fossilize is like saying "pls roll me."
Since shuffle exists the few attacks that get through cloak deal less dmg. The ult that can get through roll deals less dmg, and can be walked out of, cause leap is wonky.
The new rending proccing both enchant on CD meta puts them at a greater advantage, oh, and guess what. Cloak means rending, and therefor the enchants, are suppressed. Funny that.

All you have to do is keep up wings to not lose. All you have to do is keep up cloak to not lose back. If you know the DK is playing for stalemates, *** em. And if *** gets hairy, escape. Good luck doing so with wings.

You are taking the discussion out of context by talking about how easy it is to escape things. That is not what my comment was about.

It is very simple. A magdk can force a nb (that has the intention to win) to spam heals/run away because he can keep attacking in full force while wings are up. A nb cannot keep attacking in full force while in cloak. That is where the difference lies and where I think wings vs magblade is more unfair than cloak vs magdk. Magdk can stay fully offensive and be free of harm. NB can use cloak to escape but it doesn't make them invulnerable to magdk while actually attacking.

Again, don't mistake this opinion for saying cloak is fine, because it isn't. The bleeds + infused enchants is a huge problem rn for everyone, and stamblades are given a free pass on that. This just inflates the effectiveness of the heavy bleedblade, which was the last thing it needed.

heng14rwb17_ESO

GO DK OR GO CRY

TheDoomsdayMonster

I don't feel bad for Magblades at all as that is the one class that can currently beat my Magicka Templar here on console...

I can't wait until Murkmire goes live on ps4 so I can eat those rotten Magblades alive...

TheValar85

i feel sorry and bad for mag sorcerers as well.

Datthaw

I feel bad for my magblade, I have been pretty much forced into running a cloaker. I had been running a heavy armor with hot cloak, this playstyle got hit hard with path losing its pressure to proc skoria and losing my 8% healing from swallow soul.

It's like zos dosent like diversity. But with the lack of heavy armor mag damage sets, I'm pretty much forced into running a cloak blade