Bastion

AlienatedGoat

Just another reminder to ZOS that Bastion is completely useless now. This patch has turned it into a dead CP node that nobody will use.

Since shields are now hard capped at 40% or 50% of your HP, depending on which skill you use, any post-modifiers to shields are wasted.

Here's Bastion with zero points in:



Here's my Hardened Ward with those zero points in:



Here's Bastion with 56 points in:



And here's my Hardened Ward with 56 points in:



No difference.

Either change it so that Bastion will still modify your damage shield, or scrap the node and turn it into something else. This is just crap.

RANKK7

Great job, ZOS, it really seems you perfectly know what you are doing with your own game. Keep it up.
Lost another portion of friend list this update, last exodus was Sorrowind.

waitwhat

Maybe change bastion's effect to reduce the damage that damage shields take, in direct counter to shattering blows?

However, doesn't bastion--as it currently exists--buff damage absorption shields like Absorb Magic and Shimmering Shield?

LeHarrt91

and it will still affect, Healing ward, Barrier, sets that provide shields, and the max health scaling shields. just not, Bone shield, sorc shield and light armor shield.

starkerealm

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

and it will still affect, Healing ward, Barrier, sets that provide shields, and the max health scaling shields. just not, Bone shield, sorc shield and light armor shield.

Should affect Bone Shield. I mean, off hand I know it affects Hatchling's Shell. Bone Shield is a health based shield, not a health capped one. So, 54 points in Bastion should push it to... 48% max health, regardless of your stam pool.

Unless I'm seriously misremembering the skill, it might be better for a mag build than annulment in some situations now.

LeHarrt91

starkerealm wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

and it will still affect, Healing ward, Barrier, sets that provide shields, and the max health scaling shields. just not, Bone shield, sorc shield and light armor shield.

Should affect Bone Shield. I mean, off hand I know it affects Hatchling's Shell. Bone Shield is a health based shield, not a health capped one. So, 54 points in Bastion should push it to... 48% max health, regardless of your stam pool.

Unless I'm seriously misremembering the skill, it might be better for a mag build than annulment in some situations now.

your right, bone shield isnt capped at 50% like the other two. it was just reduced from 100% to 50% of max health, but still increased with bastion. that the synergy shield im talking about.

generalmyrick

yeap!

wanna make stam characters?

starkerealm

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

and it will still affect, Healing ward, Barrier, sets that provide shields, and the max health scaling shields. just not, Bone shield, sorc shield and light armor shield.

Should affect Bone Shield. I mean, off hand I know it affects Hatchling's Shell. Bone Shield is a health based shield, not a health capped one. So, 54 points in Bastion should push it to... 48% max health, regardless of your stam pool.

Unless I'm seriously misremembering the skill, it might be better for a mag build than annulment in some situations now.

your right, bone shield isnt capped at 50% like the other two. it was just reduced from 100% to 50% of max health, but still increased with bastion. that the synergy shield im talking about.

Oh, did the synergy shield get nerfed? That's kinda unfortunate, but not unsurprising. Because the base version was 35-39% as you ranked it up. But, the synergy was full health. I mean, with the changes to shield resists that would have been kinda bonkers.

SuperDave77

LOL I just got home, logged in, popped my shield to see what the fuss was about, and logged out. I had finally found a build where I felt like i could contribute to the team. Now I'm just sad and a little (lot) upset. I'll probably start looking into other builds and classes when i cool off but i'm not very good at huge rotations and weapon swapping, especially when weapon swapping isn't working right.

LeHarrt91

starkerealm wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

and it will still affect, Healing ward, Barrier, sets that provide shields, and the max health scaling shields. just not, Bone shield, sorc shield and light armor shield.

Should affect Bone Shield. I mean, off hand I know it affects Hatchling's Shell. Bone Shield is a health based shield, not a health capped one. So, 54 points in Bastion should push it to... 48% max health, regardless of your stam pool.

Unless I'm seriously misremembering the skill, it might be better for a mag build than annulment in some situations now.

your right, bone shield isnt capped at 50% like the other two. it was just reduced from 100% to 50% of max health, but still increased with bastion. that the synergy shield im talking about.

Oh, did the synergy shield get nerfed? That's kinda unfortunate, but not unsurprising. Because the base version was 35-39% as you ranked it up. But, the synergy was full health. I mean, with the changes to shield resists that would have been kinda bonkers.

Yeah in pts 4.2.2

Undaunted
Bone Shield: Reduced the effectiveness of the Bone Wall and Spinal Surge Synergy granted by this ability and its morphs to 50% from 100%.

because as you said resistance now effect shields.

Contraptions

Change it to "increases shield cap by X%" or "reduce shield cost by X%" or something similar. Not ideal but better than nothing I guess.

starkerealm

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

and it will still affect, Healing ward, Barrier, sets that provide shields, and the max health scaling shields. just not, Bone shield, sorc shield and light armor shield.

Should affect Bone Shield. I mean, off hand I know it affects Hatchling's Shell. Bone Shield is a health based shield, not a health capped one. So, 54 points in Bastion should push it to... 48% max health, regardless of your stam pool.

Unless I'm seriously misremembering the skill, it might be better for a mag build than annulment in some situations now.

your right, bone shield isnt capped at 50% like the other two. it was just reduced from 100% to 50% of max health, but still increased with bastion. that the synergy shield im talking about.

Oh, did the synergy shield get nerfed? That's kinda unfortunate, but not unsurprising. Because the base version was 35-39% as you ranked it up. But, the synergy was full health. I mean, with the changes to shield resists that would have been kinda bonkers.

Yeah in pts 4.2.2

Undaunted
Bone Shield: Reduced the effectiveness of the Bone Wall and Spinal Surge Synergy granted by this ability and its morphs to 50% from 100%.

because as you said resistance now effect shields.

Yeah, that stings a little, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Thanks.

starkerealm

Contraptions wrote: »

Change it to "increases shield cap by X%" or "reduce shield cost by X%" or something similar. Not ideal but better than nothing I guess.

Problem with this is that Bastion still works, as intended, on 98% of the damage shields in the game.

Now, I'll grant you, maybe Bastion should allow Annulment and Ward to increase their cap as well. So, from 40% -> 50% (max), and 50% -> 62.5% max. (realistically, most players would see 40% -> 48%, and 50% -> 60%.)

Now, to me, those seem like reasonable numbers. But, yeah it's an idea.

Acharnor

I was hoping Bastion would still work! Well there are a bunch of points I have to reinvest I guess. I don't think the tool tip advises there is no benefit with the sorc shield. It should for clarity sake.

Neoealth

Yes I noticed this as well.

Absolutely disgusting patch.

Also they made the rebate passive in the daedric summoner skill tree pointless for dungeons and trials, since your pets don't die in there anymore.

Also give us a free re spec on our CP! Since we no longer need all those points in the now useless bastion GG

Acharnor

[quote="Neoealth;c-5557543" Also give us a free re spec on our CP! Since we no longer need all those points in the now useless bastion GG[/quote]

Agree - when there is big changes like this they should allow cheap/free respecs.

deLioncourt

This is probably the most garbage patch i've seen any game ever implement on live.

Zenimax must've hired some of the Star Wars Galaxies crew.

Malamar1229

No coincidence its double exp the week nerfmire drops

Carbonised

starkerealm wrote: »

Contraptions wrote: »

Change it to "increases shield cap by X%" or "reduce shield cost by X%" or something similar. Not ideal but better than nothing I guess.

Problem with this is that Bastion still works, as intended, on 98% of the damage shields in the game..

And those 98 % of the shields are utter useless. Barrier is the only shield with some strength, and that's an ult (and hardly used at all, except for carrying scrubs in a PUG). All the DK class shields are pathetically tiny, even with resistances they will vaporise in an instant. They also got nerfed in strength this patch. So why would you put points into Bastion for that? +10 % of nothing is still nothing. All other class shields are also utter rubbish, and most of not all gear shields are rubbish. The only shields people used were Harness and Conjured. Healing Ward too, but that also got the shaft this patch, so we'll see if that's even going to be used any more.

The 40 % health cap was "ok" if they at least made Bastion enable you to go beyond the cap. As it is, Bastion is indeed dead in the water.

Acharnor

I am sad about the shield changes. I am still surviving but having to pay more attention and keep that shield up. If the 1 sec cast time had gone through I am not sure what I would have done with my sorc.

Digiman

What else is new? ZoS needs a steady stream of combat changes and not the lazy crazy half arsed ones they do with each release of DLC.

starkerealm

Carbonised wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Contraptions wrote: »

Change it to "increases shield cap by X%" or "reduce shield cost by X%" or something similar. Not ideal but better than nothing I guess.

Problem with this is that Bastion still works, as intended, on 98% of the damage shields in the game..

And those 98 % of the shields are utter useless. Barrier is the only shield with some strength, and that's an ult (and hardly used at all, except for carrying scrubs in a PUG). All the DK class shields are pathetically tiny, even with resistances they will vaporise in an instant. They also got nerfed in strength this patch. So why would you put points into Bastion for that? +10 % of nothing is still nothing. All other class shields are also utter rubbish, and most of not all gear shields are rubbish. The only shields people used were Harness and Conjured. Healing Ward too, but that also got the shaft this patch, so we'll see if that's even going to be used any more.

The 40 % health cap was "ok" if they at least made Bastion enable you to go beyond the cap. As it is, Bastion is indeed dead in the water.

I'd have to double check, but I think the only one that actually took a nerf was the obsidian shield, and that one shouldn't be significantly different from what it was like in practical applications. Hardened armor got, straight up, buffed (except against crit damage) (both with a longer duration and because it increases your resists, it'll take more of a beating now), and as far as I can tell angry leap wasn't touched, so that's also stronger.

MirkoZ

Phage wrote: »

Just another reminder to ZOS that Bastion is completely useless now. This patch has turned it into a dead CP node that nobody will use.

Since shields are now hard capped at 40% or 50% of your HP, depending on which skill you use, any post-modifiers to shields are wasted.

Here's Bastion with zero points in:



Here's my Hardened Ward with those zero points in:



Here's Bastion with 56 points in:



And here's my Hardened Ward with 56 points in:



No difference.

Either change it so that Bastion will still modify your damage shield, or scrap the node and turn it into something else. This is just crap.

Works as intended😂😂😂😂