Tank Lead or Follow?

MythicSnake

I am just learning how to tank with a new character, and I have a quick question. In a dungeon situation, does the tank taunt the boss that the DPSes are attacking ...OR... do the DPSes attack the boss that the tank is holding aggro? It sort of becomes a problem when there is more than one major boss in a room. I've had a number of occasion where I was tanking my heart out and noticed that the boss wasn't losing any health, to turn around and see that the DPSes were wailing on a different boss. What's the protocol there? Am I supposed to take their lead, or are they supposed to take out the boss I'm holding aggro first? I'm new to this, so I honestly don't know. Thanks in advance!

BejaProphet

The answer is going to be fight specific I’m afraid. For example, if archers need to die, or two bosses have to be killed at equal pace, etc, it doesn’t matter who figures that out and tells the group so long as it happens.

Royaji

Well, none of them. It all depends on the specific fight and what it requires. might I ask what dungeon were you in?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

As a dps, I feel better if the tank knows what is up. Leads the way. As a tank, I do not like follow dps. I lead from the front. As a healer. I love tanks that know what they are doing. That I barely have to watch their health bar.

So, short, tank lead, DPS follow. If your dps is not following you, that is their problem.

raj72616a

a few examples:

arx cronium, tank taunts and pulls the boss to the small island on the left, and the dps follow there, so that the group can avoid shock damage in water and the aoe attacks on the big islands.

direfrost keep, the boss goes where she want, ignore taunt, the whole group chase after the boss.

darkshade cavern 2, boss goes around the room in a pattern and the dps chase after it, tank's duty is to taunt and pull the small trash mobs together for the dps to ocassionally clear them.

volenfell, group with medicore dps might do it like this: tank pull the greenish yellow boss to the far side of the room, out of blue boss's range, and dps kite around the red boss around there, also out of blue boss's range. kill them in the order of red, yellow, blue.

MythicSnake

BejaProphet wrote: »

The answer is going to be fight specific I’m afraid. For example, if archers need to die, or two bosses have to be killed at equal pace, etc, it doesn’t matter who figures that out and tells the group so long as it happens.

I think it was either Spindleclutch or Wayrest Sewers, I can't remember.

EDIT: sorry that response was meant for Royaji

Royaji

MythicSnake wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

The answer is going to be fight specific I’m afraid. For example, if archers need to die, or two bosses have to be killed at equal pace, etc, it doesn’t matter who figures that out and tells the group so long as it happens.

I think it was either Spindleclutch or Wayrest Sewers, I can't remember.

EDIT: sorry that response was meant for Royaji

So either triple atros or final duo in wayrest. In both cases you should have stacked all the bosses together in one place. If one of the bosses is an archer/mage, grab the melee guy and run to the second one. That way they will be close so DDs can cleave them.

MythicSnake

Thanks! I'll try to do that next time!

Praeficere

Good group = lead

Bad group = follow

VaranisArano

Depends. Take the Ilambris Brothers. With a good group, I tank both on the middle platform so they stay in the AOEs. With a low DPS or a squishy group, I pull the melee brother to the side so they can focus the caster.

Usually, it's better to stack the bosses. Unless there's a mechanic where they need to be separate (Molag Kena's generals, for example) or your group has mediocre DPS and is too squishy to handle everything at once.

MythicSnake

I watched a couple of YT videos today to learn how to stack the bosses better. Hopefully I will improve this skill over time. I haven't even hit CP yet with this character, so I still have a lot to learn. My next character, I'm hoping to level up a healer.

Joxer61

MythicSnake wrote: »

I watched a couple of YT videos today to learn how to stack the bosses better. Hopefully I will improve this skill over time. I haven't even hit CP yet with this character, so I still have a lot to learn. My next character, I'm hoping to level up a healer.

What server you on? I too am levelling/learning tank in ESO having come from many many years as tank in WOW and others, just trying to learn the dungeons really as the tanking basics I have down no worries. Be cool to run with you and help each other out?

profundidob16_ESO

MythicSnake wrote: »

I am just learning how to tank with a new character, and I have a quick question. In a dungeon situation, does the tank taunt the boss that the DPSes are attacking ...OR... do the DPSes attack the boss that the tank is holding aggro? It sort of becomes a problem when there is more than one major boss in a room. I've had a number of occasion where I was tanking my heart out and noticed that the boss wasn't losing any health, to turn around and see that the DPSes were wailing on a different boss. What's the protocol there? Am I supposed to take their lead, or are they supposed to take out the boss I'm holding aggro first? I'm new to this, so I honestly don't know. Thanks in advance!

In an ideal group setup where everyone tries to play the best their role can do the tank always leads the pace and engages combat first, period. As a beginning tank this is what you hope will happen...

And then there's reality: As a tank you're still running towards your target intending to engage combat by taunting the toughest mob first but before you reach your destination all mobs suddenly start running towards the sorc in the back who was trigger happy and couldn't keep his staff's fireball under control, the 2hander dps is molesting a pack of mobs you were suppose to pass by and leave alone and the healer in the back who saw it all happening is sh1tting his pants.

So you see in random group finder you're being thrown in the deep water immediately. Your goal is to make sure you have enough health, resistances and definetely stamina/magicka in order to cast your taunt and cc as many times as possible before running out and then learning to use them as smart as you can you counter all those 'unexpected' pulls. How ?

As a smart tank you identify the most trigger happy ninjapuller in the group and always run in a straight line from him towards the pack you want to pull. This way when he pulls you immediately drop aoe root (DK talons or psjiic/sorc/warden equivalent skills) to stop the running melee mobs in their tracks and use the "puncture" skill on them to taunt them, then you turn around and use chains (or silver leash as equivalent) to pull the one that 'got through' back into the pack you rooted and refresh the root on the entire pack that includes it. This way you just saved the ninjapuller's life and in addition made it easy for him to aoe burn the mobs by racking them up and while they do so you proceed to taunt the mages, arches and other remaining mobs that are not yet 'under your control' asap.

After a while you'll read problem situations before they happen and develop a third eye gl and if you need guidance in game don't hesitate to ask me for help in-game as @profundido and I'll run a dungeon with you on my healer!

SugaComa

MythicSnake wrote: »

I am just learning how to tank with a new character, and I have a quick question. In a dungeon situation, does the tank taunt the boss that the DPSes are attacking ...OR... do the DPSes attack the boss that the tank is holding aggro? It sort of becomes a problem when there is more than one major boss in a room. I've had a number of occasion where I was tanking my heart out and noticed that the boss wasn't losing any health, to turn around and see that the DPSes were wailing on a different boss. What's the protocol there? Am I supposed to take their lead, or are they supposed to take out the boss I'm holding aggro first? I'm new to this, so I honestly don't know. Thanks in advance!

Depends on the boss

Before entering a room tank should call it in my eyes

He might say I'll tank boss away clear add than group to me

Or I'll tank adds,hit the boss hard

Or I'll tanks boss ignore adds

Or I'll move ogre left, you hit second ogre right then switch on my say

Tanks definitely lead and as such should be calling what they want to happen

eliisra

You should basically taunt and keep aggro on everything that's actively attacking and able to kill dps+healer. That often means having taunt up on multiple targets.

If a boss fight is in multiple phases, with different bosses or adds being active or spawning, you just have to be quick and switch the targets you're taunting.

Trash or adds with only moderate dmg, where healer or dps wont die from a few hits, doesn't need to be taunted though. Than anyone can engage.

Tank should take lead on bosses by taunting and placing it in a good positing. Than dps starts attacking. If dps runs in first, it can get messy. I normally have my finger ready on range taunt as soon as I see a boss, if I'm grouped with a kamikaze dps lol.
I tbh don't think it's a big problem for easier vet dungeons, as long as I know beforehand the dps likes to dive in first. Wakes you up a bit. Kamikaze dps is way more annoying and troublesome for the healer imo.