Amberplasm vs Bright throat boast

Wing

Amberplasm
(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) Adds 250 Stamina Recovery
(5 items) Adds 250 Magicka Recovery


Bright throat boast
(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(5 items) While you have a drink buff active, your Max Magicka is increased by 2000 and Magicka Recovery 150


we will assume you are using witchmother potent brew ( DRINK:Increase Max Magicka and Max Health by 3192 and Magicka Recovery by 319 for 2 hours ) on both just for consistency.


so what are the opinions?
it seems the major vs are (after same bonuses are removed )
250 stam recovery, 833 spell crit, 129 spell damage
vs
29 magicka recovery, 3096 max magicka


I feel like that max magicka does not matter *AS* much after the shield % cap, and stamina recovery is often overlooked on magicka builds, plus amber does allow for the use of food. so what are your opinions between the two?

Somewhere

While consistency is good, it is kind of important to note you could use Double Bloody Mara on Bright Throat's Boast which still counts as a drink and procs the bonus, but gives food style buffs instead (albeit slightly weaker).

Double Bloody Mara: 4575 Max Magicka and 5054 Max Health for 2 hours.

idk

The sets are not similar outside of they are designed for magicka based builds.

So in other words, without knowing how you plan to use the set it is hard to provide an opinion.

Wing

idk wrote: »

The sets are not similar outside of they are designed for magicka based builds.

So in other words, without knowing how you plan to use the set it is hard to provide an opinion.

they are both sustain / secondary damage sets and are actually very similar in their role.

if your looking for "oh your a sorc so use amber because you can dump stam into dark deal and actually get more magicka then if you had magicka regen" that's not quite what this is about.

the point of this vs would be to know how YOU would use these sets, your opinions on what would be better given situations or circumstance, etc.

your entire post indicates you have an idea of how you would use them or have in opinion on where one is better then the other. . .

so explain then, why are they not similar, how would you use them, when would you not use them, etc.

Silver_Strider

I feel Amberplasm is still better merely because of the Stamina Regen on it giving you some more wiggle room in PvP, which is always a positive thing to have. With Max Magic losing a huge bit of its appeal with the Shield % Cap, the extra magic of Bright Throat's Boast isn't as valuable when compared to Amber's Spell Damage+Crit and the minuscule 29 extra magic regen is nothing to the 250 Stamina Regen either. The one benefit Bright Throat has over Amber is that it is much easier to get but if you truly care about competitive PvP at all, you're going to use the superior set.

Something that I'm curious about now though is, since Max Magic is no longer as important for a Magic build, would Arcanebe dethroned as best Magic DPS trait on jewelry in regards to PvP? The benefit is still there but maybe Triune would be better for survivability purposes now since the extra health now affects how potent your shield can be and the extra stamina is always a benefit and Infused would be for the more glass cannon approach sacrificing your survivability for more DPS.

Biro123

Imho, max mag is still important.

I've been experimenting on live with murkmire-focused builds, and so far find that once you have enough resists and sustain built in with current sets, getting enough max magica to even make a shield big enough to hit that 50% cap can be difficult. I feel that bright-throat will fit quite nicely with what I've found so far.

Syiccal

I plan on using bright throats with dubious on my magplar, will give a good all round stats pool

usmguy1234

Syiccal wrote: »

I plan on using bright throats with dubious on my magplar, will give a good all round stats pool

Hmmm good idea. I'm just imagining shackle/bright throat and whatever monster set with dubious. You'd have a pretty decent mag and stam pool... really well rounded recoveries. That will be beast on a magplar or mag dk.

Syiccal

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

I plan on using bright throats with dubious on my magplar, will give a good all round stats pool

Hmmm good idea. I'm just imagining shackle/bright throat and whatever monster set with dubious. You'd have a pretty decent mag and stam pool... really well rounded recoveries. That will be beast on a magplar or mag dk.

I think so

Biro123

Syiccal wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

I plan on using bright throats with dubious on my magplar, will give a good all round stats pool

Hmmm good idea. I'm just imagining shackle/bright throat and whatever monster set with dubious. You'd have a pretty decent mag and stam pool... really well rounded recoveries. That will be beast on a magplar or mag dk.

I think so

Where's the mag sustain going to come from though.. just 150 from bright-throat and nothing from drink really stops it from being a mag-sustain set

Syiccal

shackle/ bright throats using dubious il be looking at 38k mag 2k recovery 22k stam 1k stam recovery by my calculation based on what I have now

firedrgn

Well i know what im using on my pet sorc.

UppGRAYxDD

Why not amberplasm and bright throat together?

Syiccal

shackle is better than amber imo ,

Taleof2Cities

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Why not amberplasm and bright throat together?

These two together would be pretty good on a healer.

But, since they’re both sustain sets, you would lack some burst as a DPS player in both PvE and PvP ... even if you build damage through other areas such as CP, Mundus, and enchantments.

Wing

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Why not amberplasm and bright throat together?

as said there both sustain so you would only want to use that on pve healer

Syiccal wrote: »

shackle is better than amber imo ,

mmmmm, I think they serve different purposes but shackle will always be solid, I think shackle AND amberplasm is very solid.

Cinbri

Clockwork dish > Witchmother. Since you can use gold food with amberplasm and only purple drink with throat in addition that stacking max stat will be less viable next update and amberplasm have very valuable stats for magicka users, like stam regen - amberplasm remain top sustain set for magicka.

db0ssman

I'm actually using amber plasm /chokethorn/willow's path on my one of my murkmire NB healers. It works because I'm loading stam based group support on my bar and max stamina doesn't matter as much as the regen. I end up with only like 26k max magicka and 17k max stam, but using health/stam and magicka healing plus unlimited magicka casts seems to be working out. Still have to test in harder content to see if it scales.

If you plan on playing something like this type of build I'd say amber plasm is a good choice, but if you are just playing a straight magicka healer/dps, you probably want to use the other set (in pve at least). Stam is rarely that important in dungeons for a mag build, and in that case the extra regen is kind of meh. You'd probably be better off carrying something like longfin just in case you need extra stam for something in pve.

Sets like seducer or shroud of the lich are both pretty good choices for that type of build.

jaws343

You can also run Spring Loaded Infusion for the tri stat. Just giving up the recovery from witchmothers.

Brutusmax1mus

It ask depends on how you're covering the stamina regen loss. With out a doubt, bright throat is a better damage and MAGICKA sustain set. Remember that max stat plays a huge role in sustain as well. But like your comparison shows, you're going to need to make up stamina sustain some where.

If youre a templar you can run bright throat and witch mothers and use the stamina focus rune for 480 stamina regen. Sorcs can use dark deal, mag blades can use the stamina siphoning attacks. Those are extremely easy ways to get the stamina back you're losing.

Syiccal wrote: »

shackle/ bright throats using dubious il be looking at 38k mag 2k recovery 22k stam 1k stam recovery by my calculation based on what I have now

Sounds nice, you'll have to adapt your build to utilize that stamina though other wise its going to be wasteful. If youre only using it for break free and occasional roll that's way too much from my experience. Slot a stamina utility skill was my answer when i ran a high stam sustain magicka build. It worked great.

Bright throats does so much, there's a reason bone pirates is such a valued set, same rules apply. But you'll need to make up some stamina through glyphs, stat points, sets some how... unless you're zerging and don't worry about it.

Silver_Strider

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

It ask depends on how you're covering the stamina regen loss. With out a doubt, bright throat is a better damage and MAGICKA sustain set. Remember that max stat plays a huge role in sustain as well. But like your comparison shows, you're going to need to make up stamina sustain some where.

If youre a templar you can run bright throat and witch mothers and use the stamina focus rune for 480 stamina regen. Sorcs can use dark deal, mag blades can use the stamina siphoning attacks. Those are extremely easy ways to get the stamina back you're losing.

Syiccal wrote: »

shackle/ bright throats using dubious il be looking at 38k mag 2k recovery 22k stam 1k stam recovery by my calculation based on what I have now

Sounds nice, you'll have to adapt your build to utilize that stamina though other wise its going to be wasteful. If youre only using it for break free and occasional roll that's way too much from my experience. Slot a stamina utility skill was my answer when i ran a high stam sustain magicka build. It worked great.

Bright throats does so much, there's a reason bone pirates is such a valued set, same rules apply. But you'll need to make up some stamina through glyphs, stat points, sets some how... unless you're zerging and don't worry about it.

Being the ONLY real stamina sustain set might have something to do with that also lol

Brutusmax1mus

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

It ask depends on how you're covering the stamina regen loss. With out a doubt, bright throat is a better damage and MAGICKA sustain set. Remember that max stat plays a huge role in sustain as well. But like your comparison shows, you're going to need to make up stamina sustain some where.

If youre a templar you can run bright throat and witch mothers and use the stamina focus rune for 480 stamina regen. Sorcs can use dark deal, mag blades can use the stamina siphoning attacks. Those are extremely easy ways to get the stamina back you're losing.

Syiccal wrote: »

shackle/ bright throats using dubious il be looking at 38k mag 2k recovery 22k stam 1k stam recovery by my calculation based on what I have now

Sounds nice, you'll have to adapt your build to utilize that stamina though other wise its going to be wasteful. If youre only using it for break free and occasional roll that's way too much from my experience. Slot a stamina utility skill was my answer when i ran a high stam sustain magicka build. It worked great.

Bright throats does so much, there's a reason bone pirates is such a valued set, same rules apply. But you'll need to make up some stamina through glyphs, stat points, sets some how... unless you're zerging and don't worry about it.

Being the ONLY real stamina sustain set might have something to do with that also lol

Stamina is a lot cheaper to maintain, making bone pirate more effective as a sustain set too. I run 1300 recovery in heavy in cp, it's really a lot easier to sustain as stam than magicka.

Wing

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Being the ONLY real stamina sustain set might have something to do with that also lol

lol that's a solid point actually XD

Wing

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Stamina is a lot cheaper to maintain, making bone pirate more effective as a sustain set too. I run 1300 recovery in heavy in cp, it's really a lot easier to sustain as stam than magicka.

double post but resto heavy attacks restore ALOT, if your in 5 heavy (and you can) as well for rapid mending even more, if you have all of a spattering of points in the CP that further increases resource restore your looking at a COLLOSAL amount of magicka restored on a single resto heavy, and because they are a ranged channel that's easy to do (plus granting a small heal and some major mending as a bonus)

idk

Wing wrote: »

idk wrote: »

The sets are not similar outside of they are designed for magicka based builds.

So in other words, without knowing how you plan to use the set it is hard to provide an opinion.

they are both sustain / secondary damage sets and are actually very similar in their role.

if your looking for "oh your a sorc so use amber because you can dump stam into dark deal and actually get more magicka then if you had magicka regen" that's not quite what this is about.

the point of this vs would be to know how YOU would use these sets, your opinions on what would be better given situations or circumstance, etc.

your entire post indicates you have an idea of how you would use them or have in opinion on where one is better then the other. . .

so explain then, why are they not similar, how would you use them, when would you not use them, etc.

Not really the same. You even seem to acknowledge that Amberplasm is more for when a mag build wants a little stam regen. That would come in handy for PvP or vMA (which brings us back to how OP plans to use it)

The OP did not ask how we would use it, just our opinions which is why I made the statement concerning the context of use.

Since you now ask more about how we would use the answer is pretty simple.

If someone with a mag build has mag regen issues and needs some stam regen as well Amberplasm would be the choice. I can really only see this for PvP or vMA.

Again, if someone with a mag build that had mag regen issues but did not need stam regen then Bright Throat would be more useful.

While neither are bad sets, the benefit of these would be limited to solo PvE or anything in PvP. There are better sets available if someone is going for solid damage or healing.

UppGRAYxDD

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Why not amberplasm and bright throat together?

These two together would be pretty good on a healer.

But, since they’re both sustain sets, you would lack some burst as a DPS player in both PvE and PvP ... even if you build damage through other areas such as CP, Mundus, and enchantments.

Idk, 4K mag with bright throat, 2k mag 129 spl dmg with shacklebreaker....seems like bright throat’s is slightly stronger in the dps dept. plus, all that extra regeneration will allow you to run a dmg oriented mundus stone and possibly the new rune focus for tons of stam regeneration. My only issue is that shacklebreaker can be crafted in hvy armor unlike bright throats.

robpr

Bright Throat is better at a cost of having less health so you would have to patch it with glyphs. IMO between these two is a personal preference.

Wing

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

My only issue is that shacklebreaker can be crafted in hvy armor unlike bright throats.

very much this, not a lot of good heavy magicka sets like there are for stam

Maulkin

Wing wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

My only issue is that shacklebreaker can be crafted in hvy armor unlike bright throats.

very much this, not a lot of good heavy magicka sets like there are for stam

There isn’t much indeed, but for me Seducer is still by far the best sustain magicka set for those that want to wear 5H armour. Most likely paired with Spinner to cover some of the penetration loss (hugely important now with shields being penetrated)

Other than that Rattlecage used to be good but now feels pretty outdated. They need to buff the secondary 5p bonuses for all these Major-providing sets to 200 spl/wpn damage instead of 100 and they might be good again.

Back on topic. I would prefer Amber to Throat cause Citrus Filet and better stam sustain.

MalagenR

Shackle > Plasm on a High Elf Sorc for sure - Max Mag is king for High Elf Sorc.

Shackle + Bright + Mara = big stat pools and you'll need the hp bump for shield strength

Sorc struggles to pressure anything to death in this patch, I can't tell you how many deadlocked 5 minute fights with Stamina toons I have now.

Atronach is our best ultimate but can't even really effectively be used in PVP outside of zone control because people who are any good at PVP just kite way out of range to open field, forcing you to either disengage or completely reset the fight.

They nerfed Sorc bad this patch. It's really stupid. Supposed to be like a magical cannon but I feel like a squirt gun, meanwhile you got DK's pushing out crazy amounts of damage from s/b and proc sets galore, it's so silly.

md3788

Is withchmother's potent brew considered a drink buff for the purposes of Bright Throat's boast?