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Permade vs Pug
EthanSemi
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been played for long time and is very pissoff becaus ZoS dont do something about it, just keep Shting qeue for random peoples vs Permade or Unskill player vs skilled player. Should make something for balance it, thats why this game PvP so downgrade
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And Zos should not separate premade from pugs.
1. it would lengthen queue times which is bad.
2. anyone can form a group and queue, that is a choice.
3. Zos should not hinder people choosing to form their own group in an MMORPG. Just does not make sense.3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS can't both separate randoms and premades in BGs AND keep the queue times low. The population of Battlegrounds just isn't big enough.
So either you can have seperate queues for premades, randoms-only, and players willing to play with anyone, where everyone gets a longer queue except for players willing to play with both.
Or
You can have the old system where randoms and premades play together with no MMR and have a shorter queue.
So, would you rather wait longer to play against random players only or wait a shorter time but risk facing premades? Thats really what ZOS is facing and anyway they answer that question, some people wont be happy.2 -
p00tx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I do both (premades and PuGs), and the only thing I see being a hindrance to PuGs is that no one ever bothers to talk on comms. That's why they suck. The best teams do well because they communicate and coordinate. If people want to do well, they are going to have to turn down their music, take the stale pizza crust out of their mouth, and start talking to one another. Otherwise you're just going solo with 3 other [presumably solo] people, and that's a terrible strategy for what is supposed to be group play.
That being said, if that is going to work, then Zos needs to fix their chat issues once and for all. 90% of the time, when loading into BGS, half of my chats disappear, which makes it impossible to communicate.Edited by p00tx on October 12, 2018 5:27PMPC/Xbox NA Mindmender|Swashbuckler Supreme|Planes Breaker|Dawnbringer|Godslayer|Immortal Redeemer|Gryphon Heart|Tick-tock Tormentor|Dro-m'Athra Destroyer|Stormproof|Grand Overlord|Grand Mastercrafter|Master Grappler|Tamriel Hero2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Premades should be blocked from queueing. Go to cyro if you want to fight as a team.
Given that BGs was designed in part as a small group PVP activity for the "I just wanna small scale fight, no zergs" crowd, that's just bad advice.
Also poor marketing. "I'm sorry, you can't play our 4v4v4 PVP mode with your friends, just random players. Good luck!"3 -
Hateanthem✭✭✭✭been played for long time and is very pissoff becaus ZoS dont do something about it, just keep Shting qeue for random peoples vs Permade or Unskill player vs skilled player. Should make something for balance it, thats why this game PvP so downgradeMake it Ranking or something . peoples could havent permadeThis game PVP giving peoples toxic and ZoS dont do about it.
For the love of all that is good and holy in this world, please, PLEASE tell us that the English language is not your native or first language.
If it is your native language, please calm down because your anger is making your posts unbearable to read.4 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I PuG and even then a loss is rare.
Best advice in a PuG?
Use your allies as bait5 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
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Hateanthem✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
OMG that exists?!
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SHADOW2KK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hateanthem wrote: »been played for long time and is very pissoff becaus ZoS dont do something about it, just keep Shting qeue for random peoples vs Permade or Unskill player vs skilled player. Should make something for balance it, thats why this game PvP so downgradeMake it Ranking or something . peoples could havent permadeThis game PVP giving peoples toxic and ZoS dont do about it.
For the love of all that is good and holy in this world, please, PLEASE tell us that the English language is not your native or first language.
If it is your native language, please calm down because your anger is making your posts unbearable to read.
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Hateanthem✭✭✭✭MooseKnuckles88 wrote: »Please nerf permades two!!
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Sylosi✭✭✭✭✭1. it would lengthen queue times which is bad.
Well that depends on how you look at it, I mean I don't play BG in this game in part because the lack of decent matchmaking just results in boring, low quality PvP. If I take the time and effort to queue as pre-made in a game then I don't want wash out matches vs pugs and like-wise if I queue solo I don't want to be up against full cheese comp on discord so have little chance unless they are terrible. Though I don't expect PvE players (which is what most alleged ESO PvPers actually are) to understand this.
So I play my PvP elsewhere in better PvP games and I am not the only one, so guess what, that results in longer BG queue times.
If they had better matchmaking more people might play BG because they get better PvP, then queue times would improve.2. anyone can form a group and queue, that is a choice.
Not really an argument, I mean if played BG and formed a group that doesn't prevent matches being trash because you have groups vs solos, obviously you aren't bothered by actual decent PvP so it isn't a problem for you, but for actual PvP players who want decent gameplay...3. Zos should not hinder people choosing to form their own group in an MMORPG. Just does not make sense.
Separate queues does not hinder people from forming groups, as for it being an MMORPG, well on that basis you should not even have instanced small man team PvP, because it is not 'massively multiplayer' and is set outside the persistent world like a little side game.Edited by Sylosi on October 12, 2018 10:39PM1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. You are very wrong on your first point in your reply. It would without a doubt lengthen queues . It is so obvious that if you split the available pool into two groups there are less in both groups. That leads to longer queues regardless of how one looks at it as long as they are not blindfolded.
It is a mathematical certainty.
As for your second point in your reply, Obviously separate queues would not hinder people forming groups. However, it does lengthen the queue times. In an MMORPG group activity your suggestion makes zero sense that it should have a priority. Again, MMORPG group activity. There are no solo BGs.
The middle point is not worth replying to since it is merely an attempt to minimize and belittle my participation in this thread merely because you disagree with me.
As for your claim about better PvP elsewhere, While that is merely an opinion based on your preference, I would hope there is some better PvP in games that are PvP based. ESO is clearly based on PvE and it's history in TES is obviously PvE based.Edited by idk on October 12, 2018 7:36PM1 -
p00tx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭1. it would lengthen queue times which is bad.
Well that depends on how you look at it, I mean I don't play BG in this game in part because the lack of decent matchmaking just results in boring, low quality PvP. If I take the time and effort to queue as pre-made in a game then I don't want wash out matches vs pugs and like-wise if I queue solo I don't want to be up against full cheese comp on discord so have little chance unless they are terrible. Though I don't expect PvE players (which is what most alleged ESO PvPers actually are, to understand this).
So I play my PvP elsewhere in better PvP games and I am not the only one, so guess what, that results in longer BG queue times.
If they had better matchmaking more people might play BG because they get better PvP, then queue times would improve.2. anyone can form a group and queue, that is a choice.
Not really an argument, I mean if played BG and formed a group that doesn't prevent matches being trash because you have groups vs solos, obviously you aren't bothered by actual decent PvP so it isn't a problem for you, but for actual PvP players who want decent gameplay...3. Zos should not hinder people choosing to form their own group in an MMORPG. Just does not make sense.
Separate queues does not hinder people from forming groups, as for it being an MMORPG, well on that basis you should not even have instanced small man team PvP, because it is not 'massively multiplayer' and is set outside the persistent world like a little side game.
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✭Some premades are bad, some pug teams are insane. Just because you got rekt and the other team was sticking together doesn't mean they were a premade. I've been on pug teams that were really good and rekt everyone.2 -
Sylosi✭✭✭✭✭1. it would lengthen queue times which is bad.
Well that depends on how you look at it, I mean I don't play BG in this game in part because the lack of decent matchmaking just results in boring, low quality PvP. If I take the time and effort to queue as pre-made in a game then I don't want wash out matches vs pugs and like-wise if I queue solo I don't want to be up against full cheese comp on discord so have little chance unless they are terrible. Though I don't expect PvE players (which is what most alleged ESO PvPers actually are, to understand this).
So I play my PvP elsewhere in better PvP games and I am not the only one, so guess what, that results in longer BG queue times.
If they had better matchmaking more people might play BG because they get better PvP, then queue times would improve.2. anyone can form a group and queue, that is a choice.
Not really an argument, I mean if played BG and formed a group that doesn't prevent matches being trash because you have groups vs solos, obviously you aren't bothered by actual decent PvP so it isn't a problem for you, but for actual PvP players who want decent gameplay...3. Zos should not hinder people choosing to form their own group in an MMORPG. Just does not make sense.
Separate queues does not hinder people from forming groups, as for it being an MMORPG, well on that basis you should not even have instanced small man team PvP, because it is not 'massively multiplayer' and is set outside the persistent world like a little side game.
Wooooooowwww...it must be really rough being so unbelievably awesome. You should tell us all about your mad skillz, so we can dream about being as amazing as you someday.
Not sure what what your reply has to do with what you quoted, I don't see anything going on about "mad skillz" or anything close.
So I'll just assume it is a case of the truth hurts, because I pointed out the reality of BG, it's "quality" and the sort of players that are content with that.Edited by Sylosi on October 12, 2018 10:38PM0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some premades are bad, some pug teams are insane. Just because you got rekt and the other team was sticking together doesn't mean they were a premade. I've been on pug teams that were really good and rekt everyone.
The problem with premades isnt so much that they exist - as you say, they can be good or bad, just like PUG teams can be.
The problem has been that with BGs' small population, you can wind up facing the same premade team again and again, getting farmed by them.1
