critting

rumple9

Crafting should be able to crit. This is a mechanic that was used in Lotro. For example if upgrading a green item there would be a chance it turns out purple. Or when deconning an item there would be a chance of getting gold mats

db0ssman

They had something like this in FF14. You had to do a mini-game to upgrade materials and gear and sometimes you could crit and end with a higher score because of it.

ghastley

All we get is a chance to fail. Does anybody actually take the risk, and use less mats?

db0ssman

They set that system up all wrong. What they should have done was set it up so that it gives you a chance of failure, but in the long run, it costs less mats if you take the chance.

For example if you are using 4 mats, right now each mat gives you a 25% chance to upgrade. It is pointless to do anything less than 100% percent because if you did 1000 upgrades at 3 mats each, you would still have to spend an average of 4000 mats to get those upgrades. You'd then also loose all the materials from the 25% of the times you failed. There is no advantage to people who do a ton of crafting and really not much of an advantage to people who do fairly little. I think the percentages should probably look more like

2 mats

1- 75%
2 - 100%

3 Mats

1- 66%
2 - 90%
3 - 100%

4 mats

1- 50%
2 - 80%
3 -90%
4 -100%

8 mats

1- 33%
2 55%
3 -70%
4 - 80%
5 - 90%
6- 95%
7 - 99%
8 100%

StamWhipCultist

So, you start making a knife and by accident you craft 14 damn things?
Im sorry, but that is just stupid.

db0ssman

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

So, you start making a knife and by accident you craft 14 damn things?
Im sorry, but that is just stupid.

What on earth are you talking about?

StamWhipCultist

db0ssman wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

So, you start making a knife and by accident you craft 14 damn things?
Im sorry, but that is just stupid.

What on earth are you talking about?

critting in crafting of any sort.

db0ssman

OP just meant that sometimes when you upgrade an item, it sometimes upgrades 2 levels instead of 1, kind of like a crit. I don't think they mean it will suddenly make like 17 when you want one.

Greysson

Or maybe, in case of upgrading, let a crit cost less materials.

GreenHere

This is my first MMO, so maybe I'm not in a good position to chime in here, but...

This makes no sense to me. How do you get lucky enough to decon a purple item, and get it to poop out a gold upgrade material? How would I be able to magically, accidentally upgrade an item to purple using only blue stuff to do it?

If you'd have suggested that the number of Inspiration points you get from crafting/deconning an item should be able to crit at X% chance for X% more Inspiration gain, I might have been able to get onboard with that. But the whole tier jumping idea seems a bridge too far, for me at least.

msetten

db0ssman wrote: »

They had something like this in FF14. You had to do a mini-game to upgrade materials and gear and sometimes you could crit and end with a higher score because of it.

ghastley wrote: »

All we get is a chance to fail. Does anybody actually take the risk, and use less mats?

I’ve actually set up a poll about this earlier: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/439460/improvement-to-gold#latest

srmalloy

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

So, you start making a knife and by accident you craft 14 damn things?
Im sorry, but that is just stupid.

It doesn't have to be handled that way; getting a crit while crafting could result in crafting the item while using fewer materials -- one less ingot or whatever, depending on the item being crafted -- or having the resulting item getting a quality boost -- making a green item instead of a white one, giving you a step up on improving it.

StamWhipCultist

srmalloy wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

So, you start making a knife and by accident you craft 14 damn things?
Im sorry, but that is just stupid.

It doesn't have to be handled that way; getting a crit while crafting could result in crafting the item while using fewer materials -- one less ingot or whatever, depending on the item being crafted -- or having the resulting item getting a quality boost -- making a green item instead of a white one, giving you a step up on improving it.

Imagine crafting for gold. You send someone required mats list and he says that if u r worth anything as crafter u will crit a lot and u should get less mats for ur crafts. There is zero need for such system.

Process of crafting should not be affected by RNG.

srmalloy

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

srmalloy wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

So, you start making a knife and by accident you craft 14 damn things?
Im sorry, but that is just stupid.

It doesn't have to be handled that way; getting a crit while crafting could result in crafting the item while using fewer materials -- one less ingot or whatever, depending on the item being crafted -- or having the resulting item getting a quality boost -- making a green item instead of a white one, giving you a step up on improving it.

Imagine crafting for gold. You send someone required mats list and he says that if u r worth anything as crafter u will crit a lot and u should get less mats for ur crafts. There is zero need for such system.

I wasn't suggesting that such a change be made; I was pointing out that a "Look -- you got a crit, so you made more of what you were intending to make!" crit system wasn't the only way to handle it. The coarseness of the material requirements, though, argue directly against a material-refund crit system -- even if the percentage chance to get a crit is the same, getting one ingot back is a much bigger reward when you're making a sword that requires four ingots versus one that requires 12, and there's no way to make that even across different levels of gear. The upgrade from white to green, though, is an even reward regardless of level, although it would be necessary to make the chance both low and unimprovable to prevent it from being relied on.

msetten

Using fewer material than normally required when critting would be the best solution in my opinion. Imagine that you have a master writ that requires an epic (purple) item and while improving it crits and get gold. Then you can start again.

StamWhipCultist

srmalloy wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

srmalloy wrote: »

StamWhipCultist wrote: »

So, you start making a knife and by accident you craft 14 damn things?
Im sorry, but that is just stupid.

It doesn't have to be handled that way; getting a crit while crafting could result in crafting the item while using fewer materials -- one less ingot or whatever, depending on the item being crafted -- or having the resulting item getting a quality boost -- making a green item instead of a white one, giving you a step up on improving it.

Imagine crafting for gold. You send someone required mats list and he says that if u r worth anything as crafter u will crit a lot and u should get less mats for ur crafts. There is zero need for such system.

I wasn't suggesting that such a change be made; I was pointing out that a "Look -- you got a crit, so you made more of what you were intending to make!" crit system wasn't the only way to handle it. The coarseness of the material requirements, though, argue directly against a material-refund crit system -- even if the percentage chance to get a crit is the same, getting one ingot back is a much bigger reward when you're making a sword that requires four ingots versus one that requires 12, and there's no way to make that even across different levels of gear. The upgrade from white to green, though, is an even reward regardless of level, although it would be necessary to make the chance both low and unimprovable to prevent it from being relied on.

And then you get master writ to craft purple stuff but it critted to gold and now u cant use it to get writ vouchers. lol.

johnbonne

Greysson wrote: »

Or maybe, in case of upgrading, let a crit cost less materials.

This I would far prefer. I've seen how these "crits" have split the WoW community when it comes to loot; some like Warforging/Titanforging (the idea that when one loots an item it has a random undisclosed chance of upgrading) because it's a pleasant surprise, and others hate it because people can out-perform them because of pure luck.

Now I don't know how important crafting is at higher levels, or how much randomness there is in high-end group content, so I couldn't speak to whether or not luck would do more bad than good. I think at lower levels it's safe to ask "who cares?", and those who do are probably those who want an extra jolt of energy in their levelling experience (players whom in all games I advocate for). I have to praise ESO for the amount of certainty there is, and I don't want it to rely too much on rolling the digital bones.

Greysson's idea is far more attractive, in my opinion. You're not getting more power out of an item, but you're spending less material to be on par with others. As far as I can see, that puts everyone on an - if not even - agreeable playing field.

DeadlyRecluse

This is my favorite insane idea ever.

I want a robust and varied crit table for crafting.

ghastley

The problem with getting a free upgrade on a crit is that the daily writs (most of the crafting for some folks) requires a white, not a green or higher. You want exactly what you're trying to make, and not a random item. This proposal is just a different way to fail.

keevil111

"Are you serious?!"

lol, "no, just critting."

idk

Just because one would like crit to be part of crafting does not mean it should.

There are great aspects of crafting from many games and ESO certainly has great aspects of their craftring. For upgrading we have a great system in ESO as well as the ability to get gold mats when deconning gold gear.

Further, If zos made the changes OP suggested it would merely mean Zos would reduce the chance to get the same matts from other sources so in the end the change would be irrelevant. Anyone who disagrees with that has not paid attention to what Zos has done when they added new sources of gold upgrade matts.