Magicka Sorcerer Murkmire Setups

Jsmalls

Now that we have been alleviated from a cast time, and with the addition of overload weaving and our original 20% frag bonus damage back, curious to see what everyone is coming up with?

From reading the patch notes there will be a few big differences in what stats to pay attention to for a Magicka Sorcerer, and we'll certainly need to adjust. Here's my few points, and I'd like to hear other's inputs!

-Max magicka no longer matters.
This is a great change. We can now stack into spell damage (boosted by a passive) which scales better with damage on our abilities. 4-5k spell damage builds won't gimp your defense like it used to.

-Resistances now matter
This is also a good thing. Heavy armor (while I don't prefer it) actually has a use on our class now. Or alternatively we can use light armor with a one piece monster resistance set to get higher
Resistances.

-Shield strength
This is no longer dependent on Max magicka, but rather physical, spell, crit resistances, and Max health. This is not a bad thing. Someone that has the time should check to see if reinforced on certain pieces is beneficial now for our class vs other traits. 5 light, 2 heavy (possibly reinforced) is more beneficial for our class now (higher resistance, more health, better returns from heavy armor passives)

-Overload
While I'm not on the PTS to test it's fluidity or damage, this could finally give us a good single target ultimate burst we're looking for.

-Champion points

I personally ran 23% bonus to bastion previously, that I'll now be weighing into physical, spell, and crit resistance to make my shields stronger.

-Max health

It was very common to run a Magicka Sorcerer with 21-23k Max health and your defense was your damage shields, now having 25k+ Max health will give you 10k damage shields that see buffed by resistances and may actually be significantly beefier than 12-14k damage shields.

-Damage Shield morphs

There will be a fine line between when you should run hardened Ward vs empowered. I think the numbers will be around 30-38k magicka would use hardened with about 24k health, 38k-44k magicka will use empowered ward for the bonus recovery. This will be balanced out with a few points into bastion to maximize shield size.

Let's hear your points of interest! Don't be so down on losing 40% of your shield strength (I had a 15.5k damage shield in PvP that is getting roughly a 40% nerf), simply adapt and find ways to capitalize on making your smaller shield stronger

jaws343

In live, I run Shackle and Alteration Mastery with 1 Domi and 1 Llambris. And it works really, really well. Alteration Mastery provides cheaper everything, including dodgerolls and ultimate.

With Murkmire I am ditching double sustain sets entirely. I think I will be running Julianos and Kagnerac's Hope. The extra spell damage from Kag's is pretty good and it has some added sustain as well. Plus, both Juli and Kags will have 100% uptime. Probably run Witchmothers now instead of tristat food. And for the monster set, I will probably switch to 1 piece Chudan and 1 piece Lord Warden.

Ill most likely stay in light armor. But I may switch one of the sets to heavy if light has trouble.

brandonv516

Jsmalls wrote: »

Now that we have been alleviated from a cast time, and with the addition of overload weaving and our original 20% frag bonus damage back, curious to see what everyone is coming up with?

From reading the patch notes there will be a few big differences in what stats to pay attention to for a Magicka Sorcerer, and we'll certainly need to adjust. Here's my few points, and I'd like to hear other's inputs!

-Max magicka no longer matters.
This is a great change. We can now stack into spell damage (boosted by a passive) which scales better with damage on our abilities. 4-5k spell damage builds won't gimp your defense like it used to.

-Resistances now matter
This is also a good thing. Heavy armor (while I don't prefer it) actually has a use on our class now. Or alternatively we can use light armor with a one piece monster resistance set to get higher
Resistances.

-Shield strength
This is no longer dependent on Max magicka, but rather physical, spell, crit resistances, and Max health. This is not a bad thing. Someone that has the time should check to see if reinforced on certain pieces is beneficial now for our class vs other traits. 5 light, 2 heavy (possibly reinforced) is more beneficial for our class now (higher resistance, more health, better returns from heavy armor passives)

-Overload
While I'm not on the PTS to test it's fluidity or damage, this could finally give us a good single target ultimate burst we're looking for.

-Champion points

I personally ran 23% bonus to bastion previously, that I'll now be weighing into physical, spell, and crit resistance to make my shields stronger.

-Max health

It was very common to run a Magicka Sorcerer with 21-23k Max health and your defense was your damage shields, now having 25k+ Max health will give you 10k damage shields that see buffed by resistances and may actually be significantly beefier than 12-14k damage shields.

-Damage Shield morphs

There will be a fine line between when you should run hardened Ward vs empowered. I think the numbers will be around 30-38k magicka would use hardened with about 24k health, 38k-44k magicka will use empowered ward for the bonus recovery. This will be balanced out with a few points into bastion to maximize shield size.

Let's hear your points of interest! Don't be so down on losing 40% of your shield strength (I had a 15.5k damage shield in PvP that is getting roughly a 40% nerf), simply adapt and find ways to capitalize on making your smaller shield stronger

Thanks for the good laugh this morning!

Be interesting to see how Sorcerers work through the changes, good luck.

Emma_Overload

Right now, I'm using Impregnable and Shackle Breaker, but when Murkmire goes live I'll switch out Shackle for Bright-Throat and put some more Prismatic enchants on my armor. My health is currently 24K, but I think I will want to raise that to 27K or so. Monster sets will probably be 1 pc Domihaus and 1 pc Mighty Chudan. Impregnable is getting a nerf, but I think it will be the best defensive set for Sorcs.

Joy_Division

I'll just say good luck.

katorga

I just don't see how it works. Mag sorc has zero synergy with heavy armor, is tied to destro/restro this patch, lacks the healing capacity of any of the other mag classes, pets are useless, 3rd bar is gone, no class based major/minor protection, new overload is meh, and every possible option seems to just work so much better on other classes, why bother.

In fact, I think a heavy armor stam sorc build will benefit better from passive shields/boneshield than sorc can with the magicka shields this patch.

I'll just swap back to stam sorc, and get rid of all the negatives, maybe. Depends on how the dodge roll, dark deal, speed changes play out. More likely I'll be choosing between ranged magplar or stamplar. I just don't gel with the other classes, so no way I'm going through the pain of leveling one up.

Beardimus

Jsmalls wrote: »

Now that we have been alleviated from a cast time, and with the addition of overload weaving and our original 20% frag bonus damage back, curious to see what everyone is coming up with?

From reading the patch notes there will be a few big differences in what stats to pay attention to for a Magicka Sorcerer, and we'll certainly need to adjust. Here's my few points, and I'd like to hear other's inputs!

-Max magicka no longer matters.
This is a great change. We can now stack into spell damage (boosted by a passive) which scales better with damage on our abilities. 4-5k spell damage builds won't gimp your defense like it used to.

-Resistances now matter
This is also a good thing. Heavy armor (while I don't prefer it) actually has a use on our class now. Or alternatively we can use light armor with a one piece monster resistance set to get higher
Resistances.

-Shield strength
This is no longer dependent on Max magicka, but rather physical, spell, crit resistances, and Max health. This is not a bad thing. Someone that has the time should check to see if reinforced on certain pieces is beneficial now for our class vs other traits. 5 light, 2 heavy (possibly reinforced) is more beneficial for our class now (higher resistance, more health, better returns from heavy armor passives)

-Overload
While I'm not on the PTS to test it's fluidity or damage, this could finally give us a good single target ultimate burst we're looking for.

-Champion points

I personally ran 23% bonus to bastion previously, that I'll now be weighing into physical, spell, and crit resistance to make my shields stronger.

-Max health

It was very common to run a Magicka Sorcerer with 21-23k Max health and your defense was your damage shields, now having 25k+ Max health will give you 10k damage shields that see buffed by resistances and may actually be significantly beefier than 12-14k damage shields.

-Damage Shield morphs

There will be a fine line between when you should run hardened Ward vs empowered. I think the numbers will be around 30-38k magicka would use hardened with about 24k health, 38k-44k magicka will use empowered ward for the bonus recovery. This will be balanced out with a few points into bastion to maximize shield size.

Let's hear your points of interest! Don't be so down on losing 40% of your shield strength (I had a 15.5k damage shield in PvP that is getting roughly a 40% nerf), simply adapt and find ways to capitalize on making your smaller shield stronger

Honnestly ZOS need to hire you as optimist commentator/marketing manager of change on all future patch note updates!

Urvoth

Don't even know if I'll play much sorc if these changes go live. I've only played my 1 sorc char since I started the game and I really don't want to switch, but it's really hard to see sorc being at all viable in Nerfmire.

Karm1cOne

The worst part is, we can't even test on pts, with shields broken as they are.

Biro123

I have no ideas.
What needs to be dropped to get the health /impen/resists will probably mean running a defence and a sustain set. Perhaps the new mag bone-pirate could do the sustain job with witch mother's drink..
But then you'd still need stam from somewhere (and health if not from your defensive set).
I just can't see where any extra spell-damage could come from..Perhaps if there was a high spell-damage heavy set to use as the 'defensive set'? Heavy clever alch?

DarkJester1

Try fortified brass light if you want defense but also keep your light armor bonuses.

Didgerion

Too soon to theory craft. Wait for the final notes.

Beardimus

Biro123 wrote: »

I have no ideas.
What needs to be dropped to get the health /impen/resists will probably mean running a defence and a sustain set. Perhaps the new mag bone-pirate could do the sustain job with witch mother's drink..
But then you'd still need stam from somewhere (and health if not from your defensive set).
I just can't see where any extra spell-damage could come from..Perhaps if there was a high spell-damage heavy set to use as the 'defensive set'? Heavy clever alch?

Agreed. I get people being optimistic but what's going to give?

Our previous issues aren't fixed, but now we need to cover Impen (loss to damage / well fitted to sustain rolls), resistances, health. All of that is a big comprimise we can't afford.

Coupled with less bar space, need for boundless etc etc.

It's a mess. I'm all for being optimistic but.

@Biro123 i was wondering Clever Alch myself maybe Kags. Suddenly that extra health bonus doesn't seem pointless but...

I hate the fact we so reliant on Stamina to survive.

Morgul667

Reroll

Bergzorn

Morgul667 wrote: »

Reroll

I'm out of stamina.

Feanor

My Sorc build for Update 20: Run a StamWarden.

Bergzorn

On a more serious note, I have some ideas and I will try them out when the patch hits live. However, none of them makes me feel excited.

If only they would fix the damn resource regeneration bug. What is the point of theory crafting when you will sometimes run out in seconds no matter your on-paper regeneration and other times your magica bar feels like an overflowing cup. All with the same build and similar situations.

Lord_Etrigan

You want a sorc build for Murkmire?

No problem:)

I call it the "Crouching Tiger have no claws" build.

1.Craft or buy some invisibility pots.
2. Travel to your fav Cyro campaign.
3. Join random group and when you get anywhere near a fight then do the following:

Crouch, stay near fight. If enemy gets to close use invisibility pot and move away. You will still get AP from the other OP classes doing the killing as this is all a sorc is going to be useful for.

Or .....you can just stand around and be an easy AP farm for my Sniper

Vahrokh

My setup for Murkmire is quite awesome.

There's just that little detail about it being prepared in another game.

KingExecration

3 swift, 7 divines random sets, steed Mundus, some weapons, rapids and maxed bag spaces for maximum mule. Get some sweet styles so it looks good on your character select screen, one of those “look but don’t touch” type of things.

Kikke

New mag bone pirate with dubious for mag and stam sustain, spell symetri for solo and VD for grp play. With bloodspawn on top.

Jurand80

My sorc build for barfmire is: run a magplar

Irylia

I have a few ideas that will be fun to try out until I realize... again... everything a msorc does and will attempt to do is subpar compared to another class

leepalmer95

Jsmalls wrote: »

Now that we have been alleviated from a cast time, and with the addition of overload weaving and our original 20% frag bonus damage back, curious to see what everyone is coming up with?

From reading the patch notes there will be a few big differences in what stats to pay attention to for a Magicka Sorcerer, and we'll certainly need to adjust. Here's my few points, and I'd like to hear other's inputs!

-Max magicka no longer matters.
This is a great change. We can now stack into spell damage (boosted by a passive) which scales better with damage on our abilities. 4-5k spell damage builds won't gimp your defense like it used to.

-Resistances now matter
This is also a good thing. Heavy armor (while I don't prefer it) actually has a use on our class now. Or alternatively we can use light armor with a one piece monster resistance set to get higher
Resistances.

-Shield strength
This is no longer dependent on Max magicka, but rather physical, spell, crit resistances, and Max health. This is not a bad thing. Someone that has the time should check to see if reinforced on certain pieces is beneficial now for our class vs other traits. 5 light, 2 heavy (possibly reinforced) is more beneficial for our class now (higher resistance, more health, better returns from heavy armor passives)

-Overload
While I'm not on the PTS to test it's fluidity or damage, this could finally give us a good single target ultimate burst we're looking for.

-Champion points

I personally ran 23% bonus to bastion previously, that I'll now be weighing into physical, spell, and crit resistance to make my shields stronger.

-Max health

It was very common to run a Magicka Sorcerer with 21-23k Max health and your defense was your damage shields, now having 25k+ Max health will give you 10k damage shields that see buffed by resistances and may actually be significantly beefier than 12-14k damage shields.

-Damage Shield morphs

There will be a fine line between when you should run hardened Ward vs empowered. I think the numbers will be around 30-38k magicka would use hardened with about 24k health, 38k-44k magicka will use empowered ward for the bonus recovery. This will be balanced out with a few points into bastion to maximize shield size.

Let's hear your points of interest! Don't be so down on losing 40% of your shield strength (I had a 15.5k damage shield in PvP that is getting roughly a 40% nerf), simply adapt and find ways to capitalize on making your smaller shield stronger

No matter how you put it or think about it , mag sorc's have received a major nerf overall this patch and it was a class i considered quite weak in pvp to begin with.

The new overload looks ok i guess, but it's still easy to dodge/ block or reflect and it did receive a 50% dmg nerf so it's not amazing. You have to remember that light attacks from staffs have like a 4-5k tooltip already. So having a 10k overload tooltip which is unlikely unless you make a very squishy murkmire sorc is basically going to double your light attack dmg.

So you'll have to make a build that gets to around the same strength of shields overall which will require you to lose a lot of dmg which isn't great already on live.

In order to get a shield of similar strength on live with the crit, armour and max sizes changes you are going to have to give up a lot. Your max magicka will be quite low and take a dip because of new set choices, either go heavy or wear tanky sets like impreg, You'll need to give yourself high hp as well which will reduce dmg more etc..


Basically all you are going to end up with is sorc's who have about the same shield effectiveness but have lots of armour and health after the shields. But because of this they're dmg is going to be super weak, It's already hard enough now on a sorc to kill any decent pvper, but it's going to be impossible next patch unless you play a glass cannon and even then the dmg won't be any better than it already is.

So mag sorc's have became troll tanks or walking AP.

Aedaryl

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

Now that we have been alleviated from a cast time, and with the addition of overload weaving and our original 20% frag bonus damage back, curious to see what everyone is coming up with?

From reading the patch notes there will be a few big differences in what stats to pay attention to for a Magicka Sorcerer, and we'll certainly need to adjust. Here's my few points, and I'd like to hear other's inputs!

-Max magicka no longer matters.
This is a great change. We can now stack into spell damage (boosted by a passive) which scales better with damage on our abilities. 4-5k spell damage builds won't gimp your defense like it used to.

-Resistances now matter
This is also a good thing. Heavy armor (while I don't prefer it) actually has a use on our class now. Or alternatively we can use light armor with a one piece monster resistance set to get higher
Resistances.

-Shield strength
This is no longer dependent on Max magicka, but rather physical, spell, crit resistances, and Max health. This is not a bad thing. Someone that has the time should check to see if reinforced on certain pieces is beneficial now for our class vs other traits. 5 light, 2 heavy (possibly reinforced) is more beneficial for our class now (higher resistance, more health, better returns from heavy armor passives)

-Overload
While I'm not on the PTS to test it's fluidity or damage, this could finally give us a good single target ultimate burst we're looking for.

-Champion points

I personally ran 23% bonus to bastion previously, that I'll now be weighing into physical, spell, and crit resistance to make my shields stronger.

-Max health

It was very common to run a Magicka Sorcerer with 21-23k Max health and your defense was your damage shields, now having 25k+ Max health will give you 10k damage shields that see buffed by resistances and may actually be significantly beefier than 12-14k damage shields.

-Damage Shield morphs

There will be a fine line between when you should run hardened Ward vs empowered. I think the numbers will be around 30-38k magicka would use hardened with about 24k health, 38k-44k magicka will use empowered ward for the bonus recovery. This will be balanced out with a few points into bastion to maximize shield size.

Let's hear your points of interest! Don't be so down on losing 40% of your shield strength (I had a 15.5k damage shield in PvP that is getting roughly a 40% nerf), simply adapt and find ways to capitalize on making your smaller shield stronger

No matter how you put it or think about it , mag sorc's have received a major nerf overall this patch and it was a class i considered quite weak in pvp to begin with.

The new overload looks ok i guess, but it's still easy to dodge/ block or reflect and it did receive a 50% dmg nerf so it's not amazing. You have to remember that light attacks from staffs have like a 4-5k tooltip already. So having a 10k overload tooltip which is unlikely unless you make a very squishy murkmire sorc is basically going to double your light attack dmg.

So you'll have to make a build that gets to around the same strength of shields overall which will require you to lose a lot of dmg which isn't great already on live.

In order to get a shield of similar strength on live with the crit, armour and max sizes changes you are going to have to give up a lot. Your max magicka will be quite low and take a dip because of new set choices, either go heavy or wear tanky sets like impreg, You'll need to give yourself high hp as well which will reduce dmg more etc..


Basically all you are going to end up with is sorc's who have about the same shield effectiveness but have lots of armour and health after the shields. But because of this they're dmg is going to be super weak, It's already hard enough now on a sorc to kill any decent pvper, but it's going to be impossible next patch unless you play a glass cannon and even then the dmg won't be any better than it already is.

So mag sorc's have became troll tanks or walking AP.

You can have decent damage and & tankier shields if you are able to use your brain for theoricafting.

Aedaryl

For all the folks wondering in which direction you can go, by using the same sets than on live you can adapt easely :

Emma_Overload

Aedaryl wrote: »

For all the folks wondering in which direction you can go, by using the same sets than on live you can adapt easely :

How much resistance does each Protective trait give?

Aedaryl

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

For all the folks wondering in which direction you can go, by using the same sets than on live you can adapt easely :

How much resistance does each Protective trait give?

1844 each.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=89473

ccmedaddy

Protective jewelry is great. Which is why we should never talk about it on the forums, lest it suffer the same fate as Swift.

Sublime

First: thanks for the constructive post!

I mainly play BG's, so this setup is designed for no-CP gameplay.

I'll probably continue to run Shacklebreaker, Lich, Masters Destro and Pirate Skeleton. However I'll probably have to run 7 impen pieces instead of 4. Additionally I might to run with 7 pieces of tri-stat glyphs instead of 3 to make up for the otherwise missing HP.

If this leaves me with enough Stamina to drop Shacklebreaker, I'll try the new Spell Strategist set and get an additional Magicka Regen to make up for the Regen of Shacklebreaker.

In terms of armor type I'll probably run 5/2, but I'm also considering 7 light for the additional 8% snare reduction.

I'll also most likely continue to use witchmothers as drink.

Strider__Roshin

Protective is a solid idea for jewelry traits. Bright-Throat is a must. I plan on front barring Temporal Guard for better mitigation, and back barring Lights Champion. As far as the other 5-piece goes I'm considering scathing mage in order to synergize well with power surge and light's champion. As far as my 2-piece goes I'm planning on using Balorgh in order to provide me solid damage when I activate light's champion. I also plan on back barring the new Blackrose resto.