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Why is it so hard (for me) to play group content?
Chrysa1is
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Dungeon finder is complete garbage and queue time for dps is atrocious.
No one replies in zone chat or guild chat. Ever. They obviously just read chat and ignore. Some form of acknowledgement would be fantastic even from just one person; never gonna happen.
People are kicking others from group to invite their buddies after the hard work in vet dungeons is done so they can get the goodies at the end. Or people are leaving the group because they are finding it too hard right near the end ending the progress already made.
Its making me not want to play the game and im getting bored. Nobody talks, nobody wants to help eachother, and i spend hours walking around daggerfall fountain not doing anything because i cant do what i want to do. I don't want to sound like a scrooge but would anyone else feel the same?
No one replies in zone chat or guild chat. Ever. They obviously just read chat and ignore. Some form of acknowledgement would be fantastic even from just one person; never gonna happen.
People are kicking others from group to invite their buddies after the hard work in vet dungeons is done so they can get the goodies at the end. Or people are leaving the group because they are finding it too hard right near the end ending the progress already made.
Its making me not want to play the game and im getting bored. Nobody talks, nobody wants to help eachother, and i spend hours walking around daggerfall fountain not doing anything because i cant do what i want to do. I don't want to sound like a scrooge but would anyone else feel the same?
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Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭well considering everything but Trials are public because the devs have a love jones for everquest, means that group content is pretty much borked.
If they would just let groups have an instance of the dungeon if they choose, you would see guilds that want to do content form and the game would be better off, but they won't, just like the won't ever stop inserting their lame political agenda in the game.
It's why I say the numbers they are touting are BS, and they game pretty much is in a nose dive.Edited by Rain_Greyraven on October 2, 2018 2:56PM"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »well considering everything but Trials are public because the devs have a love jones for everquest, means that group content is pretty much borked.
If they would just let groups have an instance of the dungeon if they choose, you would see guilds that want to do content form and the game would be better off, but they won't, just like the won't ever stop inserting their lame political agenda in the game.
It's why I say the numbers they are touting are BS, and they game pretty much is in a nose dive.
What? Dungeons are instanced. Maybe you are playing a different game.2 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't know what to tell you. I haven't had any of the issues you're talking about. Be that which you want to see in the game world, and inevitably you'll connect with the people who work well with you. If nobody talks and nobody helps each other (presuming, yourself included) you need to be that girl.0 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OK, now that the sky is falling post is out of the way....
The hands down best way to form a dungeon group is in a guild or from a friends list. Even partially creating a group then using GF is better, and faster.
Since everyone and thier mother is DPS in this game, stop fighting the system and learn how to heal or be a tank. These roles are actually more fun than DPS anyway. Tanking does require the most gear and attribute changes. Healing, you just need skills leveled and a resto staff.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"4 -
GreenHere✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OK, now that the sky is falling post is out of the way....
The hands down best way to form a dungeon group is in a guild or from a friends list. Even partially creating a group then using GF is better, and faster.
Since everyone and thier mother is DPS in this game, stop fighting the system and learn how to heal or be a tank. These roles are actually more fun than DPS anyway. Tanking does require the most gear and attribute changes. Healing, you just need skills leveled and a resto staff.
Pretty much this. I can't help you, OP, since you're on Xbox (I suspect that is part of the problem, btw). Your only hope is to find people you jive with and have fun with them. I imagine it's harder on consoles where not as many wanna go to the trouble of typing in chat.
Failing that, getting decent at one of the more desired roles will change the game for you. Give it a try!0 -
Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »well considering everything but Trials are public because the devs have a love jones for everquest, means that group content is pretty much borked.
If they would just let groups have an instance of the dungeon if they choose, you would see guilds that want to do content form and the game would be better off, but they won't, just like the won't ever stop inserting their lame political agenda in the game.
It's why I say the numbers they are touting are BS, and they game pretty much is in a nose dive.
What? Dungeons are instanced. Maybe you are playing a different game.
No Trials are instances Dungeons are public"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
So you want to be a game developer? Here is the best way to go about it.0 -
GreenHere✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »well considering everything but Trials are public because the devs have a love jones for everquest, means that group content is pretty much borked.
If they would just let groups have an instance of the dungeon if they choose, you would see guilds that want to do content form and the game would be better off, but they won't, just like the won't ever stop inserting their lame political agenda in the game.
It's why I say the numbers they are touting are BS, and they game pretty much is in a nose dive.
What? Dungeons are instanced. Maybe you are playing a different game.
No Trials are instances Dungeons are public
Public Dungeons are public. So are Delves. Group Dungeons (and Trials, which are a separate thing) are privately instanced.
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mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »well considering everything but Trials are public because the devs have a love jones for everquest, means that group content is pretty much borked.
If they would just let groups have an instance of the dungeon if they choose, you would see guilds that want to do content form and the game would be better off, but they won't, just like the won't ever stop inserting their lame political agenda in the game.
It's why I say the numbers they are touting are BS, and they game pretty much is in a nose dive.
What? Dungeons are instanced. Maybe you are playing a different game.
No Trials are instances Dungeons are public
No, Trials and Dungeons are instanced. PUBLIC dungeons are public...but that's kind of in the name, soooo...0 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »well considering everything but Trials are public because the devs have a love jones for everquest, means that group content is pretty much borked.
If they would just let groups have an instance of the dungeon if they choose, you would see guilds that want to do content form and the game would be better off, but they won't, just like the won't ever stop inserting their lame political agenda in the game.
It's why I say the numbers they are touting are BS, and they game pretty much is in a nose dive.
What? Dungeons are instanced. Maybe you are playing a different game.
No Trials are instances Dungeons are public
There are public dungeons and group dungeons. Group dungeons such as City of Ash or White Gold Tower are instanced.0 -
Chrysa1is✭✭✭✭✭
✭OK, now that the sky is falling post is out of the way....
The hands down best way to form a dungeon group is in a guild or from a friends list. Even partially creating a group then using GF is better, and faster.
Since everyone and thier mother is DPS in this game, stop fighting the system and learn how to heal or be a tank. These roles are actually more fun than DPS anyway. Tanking does require the most gear and attribute changes. Healing, you just need skills leveled and a resto staff.
you shouldnt have to make another character to actually play. otherwise zos shouldve scrapped classes and let people be what they want when they want.1 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OK, now that the sky is falling post is out of the way....
The hands down best way to form a dungeon group is in a guild or from a friends list. Even partially creating a group then using GF is better, and faster.
Since everyone and thier mother is DPS in this game, stop fighting the system and learn how to heal or be a tank. These roles are actually more fun than DPS anyway. Tanking does require the most gear and attribute changes. Healing, you just need skills leveled and a resto staff.
you shouldnt have to make another character to actually play. otherwise zos shouldve scrapped classes and let people be what they want when they want.
You don't have to make a different character though. Just use different skills and different gear on the same character.1 -
GreenHere✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OK, now that the sky is falling post is out of the way....
The hands down best way to form a dungeon group is in a guild or from a friends list. Even partially creating a group then using GF is better, and faster.
Since everyone and thier mother is DPS in this game, stop fighting the system and learn how to heal or be a tank. These roles are actually more fun than DPS anyway. Tanking does require the most gear and attribute changes. Healing, you just need skills leveled and a resto staff.
you shouldnt have to make another character to actually play. otherwise zos shouldve scrapped classes and let people be what they want when they want.
You don't have to. I promise you can make any race, any class work for any role; at least well enough to do veteran HM dungeons. If you're going for world record Trial leaderboards or something, then... well, yeah, sorry, might need min/max and roll a new toon. Otherwise, whatever you are can be converted to a tank or healer with less than a weekend's work, even going about it slowly. Respec attributes and some skill points, get some gear sets, change your mundus, and maybe level up a couple skill lines -- and you're good to go!
I defy you to list a race & class combo that can't be converted to a workable tank or healer, if you wanted to do it.1 -
Chrysa1is✭✭✭✭✭
✭OK, now that the sky is falling post is out of the way....
The hands down best way to form a dungeon group is in a guild or from a friends list. Even partially creating a group then using GF is better, and faster.
Since everyone and thier mother is DPS in this game, .
You don't have to make a different character though. Just use different skills and different gear on the same character.
but again that means a re-spec and farming gear and mats to get the sets upgraded. plus learning a new playstyle takes time. i just want to play the game.1 -
killahsin✭✭✭i dont think rain greyraven realizes how much content he/she is missing. Haha. So many instanced dungeons it's not funny.0
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GreenHere✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭but again that means a re-spec and farming gear and mats to get the sets upgraded. plus learning a new playstyle takes time. i just want to play the game.
Fair enough. Then your only other option is to find people you enjoy playing with, and play with them. Reddit might help. Never used it for LFG purposes, but I hear others do with success often enough. I believe there's even a section of this forum for that too.0 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OK, now that the sky is falling post is out of the way....
The hands down best way to form a dungeon group is in a guild or from a friends list. Even partially creating a group then using GF is better, and faster.
Since everyone and thier mother is DPS in this game, stop fighting the system and learn how to heal or be a tank. These roles are actually more fun than DPS anyway. Tanking does require the most gear and attribute changes. Healing, you just need skills leveled and a resto staff.
you shouldnt have to make another character to actually play. otherwise zos shouldve scrapped classes and let people be what they want when they want.
You dont have to do that now. It's an option. Tanking has a shorter queue time by a wide margin and healing is better to a lesser extent. You wouldn't necessarily need a new character, just different skills and gear.
But you're right, the PUG scene isnt that great. Most people would just rather run the content with their friends. A few nasty encounters in RDF is all it takes. I dont blame them.
Find your people and enjoy the game.0 -
Grayfax✭✭✭Xbox in a guild versus out of guild is very different. Most players I know turn off the chat window so will never see you in either guild chat or zone chat. Of course, then you have guilds that are all text all the time, which is also a nightmare because you have to keep a wireless keyboard nearby so you can drop the controller and throw in some text and get back into the fight. Finding the right guild goes a long way, but then you have the problem of dozens of people all using the same voice channel.
As for learning to play other styles, it is possible to swap gear and skills... if you have high level mains providing you coins. It is also just as viable to try out some different builds on the other character slots and dedicate that character to that kind of role. If you aren't sure, by all means, try out different things. It's the best way to learn it. Though, I've learned as much from watching videos of how someone is doing some of the rotations as I have discussing it in discord with guildmates.
I don't know about your experiences, but in our recent swapping to EU for the Summerfall quest / achievement, we found the EU server to be a very hospitable place. Maybe it was the times that we went across, I'm not sure, but it was a cool environment. Good luck in finding what you are wanting!0 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OK, now that the sky is falling post is out of the way....
The hands down best way to form a dungeon group is in a guild or from a friends list. Even partially creating a group then using GF is better, and faster.
Since everyone and thier mother is DPS in this game, stop fighting the system and learn how to heal or be a tank. These roles are actually more fun than DPS anyway. Tanking does require the most gear and attribute changes. Healing, you just need skills leveled and a resto staff.
you shouldnt have to make another character to actually play. otherwise zos shouldve scrapped classes and let people be what they want when they want.
Finding a resto staff is not creating a new character. And, you dont need to change anything else, other than unlocking a skill line, to play as a healerEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"1 -
Grayfax✭✭✭The starting over is painful. No mounts. No research. No money.
I do know this, though, if my guild decided to move to the EU server, I would follow and start all over.
Wild and crazy thought, and it is a revelation to actually think that, but a good guild makes a world of difference!
We have several strong accents in the group, though currently a couple of aussies get the "best accent" award.1 -
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✭During summerfall I was very tempted to make a character on the EU server, but since I have Summerset on NA I wasn’t sure if I would’ve had it on the other server. That and leveling up a mount is a bit difficult when you’re trying to save gold rip.0 -
Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »well considering everything but Trials are public because the devs have a love jones for everquest, means that group content is pretty much borked.
If they would just let groups have an instance of the dungeon if they choose, you would see guilds that want to do content form and the game would be better off, but they won't, just like the won't ever stop inserting their lame political agenda in the game.
It's why I say the numbers they are touting are BS, and they game pretty much is in a nose dive.
What? Dungeons are instanced. Maybe you are playing a different game.
No Trials are instances Dungeons are public
Public Dungeons are public. So are Delves. Group Dungeons (and Trials, which are a separate thing) are privately instanced.
But 90% of all content like that is public so apples and oranges. My point is all they had to do is just allow those people who wanted to group in public Dungeons or delves the simple choice of having their own instance even in public areas .More people would group more, content guilds would form and the game would become more social, like a MMO should be.Edited by Rain_Greyraven on October 2, 2018 4:45PM"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
So you want to be a game developer? Here is the best way to go about it.0 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dungeon finder is complete garbage and queue time for dps is atrocious.
No one replies in zone chat or guild chat. Ever. They obviously just read chat and ignore. Some form of acknowledgement would be fantastic even from just one person; never gonna happen.
People are kicking others from group to invite their buddies after the hard work in vet dungeons is done so they can get the goodies at the end. Or people are leaving the group because they are finding it too hard right near the end ending the progress already made.
Its making me not want to play the game and im getting bored. Nobody talks, nobody wants to help eachother, and i spend hours walking around daggerfall fountain not doing anything because i cant do what i want to do. I don't want to sound like a scrooge but would anyone else feel the same?
Funny. I have no problem completing any dungeons through group finder...including the vet DLC dungeons...even an occasional pugged HM for them. The fact is you cant worry about how bad other people are...you can only make yourself better to compensate.0 -
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✭✭✭Late Sunday morning and early afternoon for PC NA, I used the dungeon finder to queue as a DPS, once for a random normal dungeon and later for Wayrest I, which was one of the pledges. I left both queues after waiting in both for over 30 minutes. Something is wrong somewhere with that tool.1 -
FlyingSwan✭✭✭✭✭OK, now that the sky is falling post is out of the way....
The hands down best way to form a dungeon group is in a guild or from a friends list. Even partially creating a group then using GF is better, and faster.
Since everyone and thier mother is DPS in this game, stop fighting the system and learn how to heal or be a tank. These roles are actually more fun than DPS anyway. Tanking does require the most gear and attribute changes. Healing, you just need skills leveled and a resto staff.
you shouldnt have to make another character to actually play. otherwise zos shouldve scrapped classes and let people be what they want when they want.
Just reskill. I had the same issue as a DPS from day one, reskilled, regeared and lo and behold I was a tank for a 1s dungeon queue.
Dgn Finder is still broken however, but when it does work I am in like a rat up a drainpipe.0 -
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✭Dungeon finder is complete garbage and queue time for dps is atrocious.
This is the case in every MMO which utilizes the Trinity group set up. This is one of the main reasons I play a healer. Most games are over saturated with DPS.No one replies in zone chat or guild chat. Ever. They obviously just read chat and ignore. Some form of acknowledgement would be fantastic even from just one person; never gonna happen.
I can't speak for the majority. But my guild is VERY social. Anyone asks for help, or just to group up for things, someone will reply. As for Zone Chat, it depends. I've had success asking for groups, i've also replied to requests for groups. But it is a bit of a roll of the dice.People are kicking others from group to invite their buddies after the hard work in vet dungeons is done so they can get the goodies at the end.
This should be reportable. That is outright unfair.Or people are leaving the group because they are finding it too hard right near the end ending the progress already made.
Fortunately, if people leave, you have the option to Queue for replacements. So this really isn't an issue. Might even be in your favor if they leave.Its making me not want to play the game and im getting bored. Nobody talks, nobody wants to help eachother, and i spend hours walking around daggerfall fountain not doing anything because i cant do what i want to do. I don't want to sound like a scrooge but would anyone else feel the same?
May I suggest hanging out in Wayrest? It is a larger, and more populated place. There are always people asking for groups and offering guild invites in the Major Cities.
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