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Can we take a look at Dark Cloak and extend the duration of Minor Protection on it? (PVE, Semi-PVP)
Nyladreas
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Pretty much title, I find this skill very interesting, however extremely lacking when compared to other skill choices.
I feel like if we extended the duration of minor protection on it, even if slightly, it would become a much more interesting choice for PvE and perhaps PvP as well.
Dark Cloak morph already has a high cost for what it does, and while extremely good with the healing for solo-explorers, the secondary effect seems to be too short. I'd rather use other skills on my NB tank than Cloak at this point to be honest. In PvP it could gain some potential too, since the % healing is cut in half, healing you for only 4.5% of your life every second. Minor protection could be used for brawler builds, altho I haven't tried using it in PvP myself.
My main concern here is pushing NB tanks further to be more valuable in endgame PvE. And mitigation is always far better than healing, if you have healers in PvE, as you should. Weren't we aiming for more healer "viable" PvE, with the next patch, ZOS?
Thoughts anyone?
Just nevermind. Everyone here only comes here to complain about PVP and how strong NBs are.
Who even cares the main focus of this topic was PvE, to bring Tank Skill options up to par with a DK.
And healing arguments? Nice... What's that healing going to do when u get 1 shot or have to heal over and over and waste resources? F logic.
Look what you've done ZOS. Everyone hates NBs and we deserve to not be taken seriously.
Can we buff all other classes and remove this class-hate? Ty. I'm getting tired of this.
Edited by Nyladreas on October 1, 2018 8:34AM I feel like if we extended the duration of minor protection on it, even if slightly, it would become a much more interesting choice for PvE and perhaps PvP as well.
Dark Cloak morph already has a high cost for what it does, and while extremely good with the healing for solo-explorers, the secondary effect seems to be too short. I'd rather use other skills on my NB tank than Cloak at this point to be honest. In PvP it could gain some potential too, since the % healing is cut in half, healing you for only 4.5% of your life every second. Minor protection could be used for brawler builds, altho I haven't tried using it in PvP myself.
My main concern here is pushing NB tanks further to be more valuable in endgame PvE. And mitigation is always far better than healing, if you have healers in PvE, as you should. Weren't we aiming for more healer "viable" PvE, with the next patch, ZOS?
Thoughts anyone?
Just nevermind. Everyone here only comes here to complain about PVP and how strong NBs are.
Who even cares the main focus of this topic was PvE, to bring Tank Skill options up to par with a DK.
And healing arguments? Nice... What's that healing going to do when u get 1 shot or have to heal over and over and waste resources? F logic.
Look what you've done ZOS. Everyone hates NBs and we deserve to not be taken seriously.
Can we buff all other classes and remove this class-hate? Ty. I'm getting tired of this.
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✭✭✭✭How about no? Its already a better heal than green dragon blood.
I see plenty of almost-unkillable heavy armor nightblades already.(yes, with the new cloak-heal thing) No they don't need further buffs.Edited by Ragnarock41 on October 1, 2018 3:49AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »How about no? Its already a better heal than green dragon blood.
I see plenty of almost-unkillable heavy armor nightblades already.(yes, with the new cloak-heal thing) No they don't need further buffs.
I really couldn't care less about the PVP aspect tbh. I'm asking for PvE purposes. I'd gladly part with a chunk of the heal. I just want to have more useful mitigation on my Tank that doesnt consume 16k Magicka for mere 12 seconds of duration @Ragnarock41Edited by Nyladreas on October 1, 2018 4:18AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »How about no? Its already a better heal than green dragon blood.
I see plenty of almost-unkillable heavy armor nightblades already.(yes, with the new cloak-heal thing) No they don't need further buffs.
I really couldn't care less about the PVP aspect tbh. I'm asking for PvE purposes. I'd gladly part with a chunk of the heal. @Ragnarock41
If you think NB PvE tanks are bad due to not having built in mitigation, you have a different problem here. Dks don't have any either(except the 3k spell resist which is pathetic), and wardens have both minor and major protection, yet Dks are still preferred for the same reason why templar healers are preferred. They good the good stuff. the utility, the buffs, debuffs. Nightblade doesn't bring anything unique to the table and sustains worse than a Dk/warden. Thats the issue with nb tanks.
Also you are literally asking for nightblade buffs man. Don't act like its not what it is.
Is it a fault to ask for nightblade buffs? Yes, in their current state.Edited by Ragnarock41 on October 1, 2018 4:20AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »How about no? Its already a better heal than green dragon blood.
I see plenty of almost-unkillable heavy armor nightblades already.(yes, with the new cloak-heal thing) No they don't need further buffs.
I really couldn't care less about the PVP aspect tbh. I'm asking for PvE purposes. I'd gladly part with a chunk of the heal. @Ragnarock41
If you think Nb PvE tanks are bad due to not having built in mitigation, you have a different problem here.
Also you are literally asking for nightblade buffs man. Don't act like its not what it is.
Is it a fault to ask for nightblade buffs? Yes, in their current state.
Oh so you are one of those people... Who just hate NBs for being NBs. Wonderful.
The problem with that is ZOS catering to nerfing other classes instead of buffing them to bring them up to par with NBs.
And yes NB tanks are bad. The healing isn't enough for Endgame trials and only DKs are being accepted as a viable option in top tier PvE guilds. I can tank vet dungeons on a stamblade. That's not why I have a tank.Edited by Nyladreas on October 1, 2018 4:22AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »How about no? Its already a better heal than green dragon blood.
I see plenty of almost-unkillable heavy armor nightblades already.(yes, with the new cloak-heal thing) No they don't need further buffs.
I really couldn't care less about the PVP aspect tbh. I'm asking for PvE purposes. I'd gladly part with a chunk of the heal. @Ragnarock41
If you think Nb PvE tanks are bad due to not having built in mitigation, you have a different problem here.
Also you are literally asking for nightblade buffs man. Don't act like its not what it is.
Is it a fault to ask for nightblade buffs? Yes, in their current state.
Oh so you are one of those people... Who just hate NBs for being NBs. Wonderful.
The problem with that is ZOS catering to nerfing other classes instead of buffing them to bring them up to par with NBs.
oh yeah, lets give sorcs back their shieldstacking, give stamDKs their old battle roar, old helping hands, give templars major mending.. Is it happening? I don't think so. When one class destroys everything else you don't buff the rest. You nerf that one thing overperforming.
Which is what happened to every other class so far. Why should I treat nightblade as an exception?
The new nightblade heal is literally a better heal than green dragon blood. I saw it work many times, if you can't, that is a l2p issue.Edited by Ragnarock41 on October 1, 2018 4:25AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »How about no? Its already a better heal than green dragon blood.
I see plenty of almost-unkillable heavy armor nightblades already.(yes, with the new cloak-heal thing) No they don't need further buffs.
I really couldn't care less about the PVP aspect tbh. I'm asking for PvE purposes. I'd gladly part with a chunk of the heal. @Ragnarock41
If you think Nb PvE tanks are bad due to not having built in mitigation, you have a different problem here.
Also you are literally asking for nightblade buffs man. Don't act like its not what it is.
Is it a fault to ask for nightblade buffs? Yes, in their current state.
Oh so you are one of those people... Who just hate NBs for being NBs. Wonderful.
The problem with that is ZOS catering to nerfing other classes instead of buffing them to bring them up to par with NBs.
oh yeah, lets give sorcs back their shieldstacking, give stamDKs their old battle roar, give templars major mending.. Is it happening? I don't think so.
The new nightblade heal is literally a better heal than green dragon blood. I saw it work many times, if you can't, that is a l2p issue.
@Ragnarock41 Can you let go of your hate for NBs for a second and actually think about what I'm trying to do here? You obviously only came to this thread to take your anger out on it because you hate NBs.
The healing is fine, ffs. I don't want the healing though. I'd rather have more mitigation and have healers do their part. Especially SINCE DARK CLOAK IS ALREADY BETTER THAN GREEN DRAGON BLOOD.
Read what i said again. Jeez. @Ragnarock41Edited by Nyladreas on October 1, 2018 4:25AM0 -
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✭✭Dark cloak is strong, TBH NB do not need healing skill buffs, they need utilities, instant cc skill or magical chain or synergy for the team.
If someone thinks Igneous Shield + dragon blood combo is weak, better LTP
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✭Pretty much title, I find this skill very interesting, however extremely lacking when compared to other skill choices.
I feel like if we extended the duration of minor protection on it, even if slightly, it would become a much more interesting choice for PvE and perhaps PvP as well.
Dark Cloak morph already has a high cost for what it does, and while extremely good with the healing for solo-explorers, the secondary effect seems to be too short. I'd rather use other skills on my NB tank than Cloak at this point to be honest. In PvP it could gain some potential too, since the % healing is cut in half, healing you for only 4.5% of your life every second. Minor protection could be used for brawler builds, altho I haven't tried using it in PvP myself.
My main concern here is pushing NB tanks further to be more valuable in endgame PvE. And mitigation is always far better than healing, if you have healers in PvE, as you should. Weren't we aiming for more healer "viable" PvE, with the next patch, ZOS?
Thoughts anyone?
No. It's already so OP it's breaking pvp. This skill does need adjustments, it needs a massive nerf.0
