Smokey the Bear needs your help

Girl_Number8

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

@max_only it's sad that everyone was up in arms about your thread concerning nerfing all other ultimates by 30% and nobody bar magdens cares that it's happening to us.

This is a good post but the nerf post was not. The new dlc is not looking good for a lot of classes. So I think if we want a better game, then the forums need to start putting up buff the classes threads, rather then nerf threads.

max_only

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

@max_only it's sad that everyone was up in arms about your thread concerning nerfing all other ultimates by 30% and nobody bar magdens cares that it's happening to us.

This is a good post but the nerf post was not. The new dlc is not looking good for a lot of classes. So I think if we want a better game, then the forums need to start putting up buff the classes threads, rather then nerf threads.

I’m glad to hear you like this thread! It went ignored days, almost weeks! Then I tried other methods.

I really should include the Falcon Swiftness change to this thread. Alas I use it for the passive dodge (which is going away) and the speed which helps in a pinch, but I don’t really need it to do my job. In fact it isn’t a negative change to me at all. People were complaining they’d have to double bar Bird of Prey it, but I don’t. I use Deceptive Predator and apparently I’ve been using it the way Zos wants us to.

max_only

Maybe they should make an actual Cyromancer class and leave Wardens to hunting, nature healing and maybe poison and disease instead of ice.

Gythral

I dont think any method of advertising Warden will get noticed by the powers that be, they are so Nightbalde committed that they cannot see anything else & probably died to a bear while trying to raid the beer fridge

max_only

Eh, I don’t hate Nightblades. I’ve been around long enough to know that the 4 main classes each had their “teachers pet” treatment.

Nerouyn

max_only wrote: »

You don’t see us asking for your health based skills to be changed unnecessarily to a skill no one will use...

Yeah that's one a missed opportunity.

If you're mag, then you have a whopping 4 class damage abilities (excluding elites).

4 on destruction staff. 2 in Mages Guild. 1 Psijic.

Variety is non-existent.

A magicka based damage morph would have been so welcome. Or even just a direct heal other - something to replace healing ward.

I love their theme and visuals but I now regret having deleted several sorcs to make wardens. Sorcs get 7 damage spells to our 4 and their heal is the one which actually matters - auto-targetting big heal.

MLGProPlayer

Kanar wrote: »

I'll just make the same comment I did in the other thread: I'm glad the bear is nerfed and it might cause me to come back to the class. As long as a pet was required to do decent DPS, the class was dead.

You still need the bear to do decent DPS. DPS without the bear is still considerably behind all other classes.

MLGProPlayer

max_only wrote: »

Maybe they should make an actual Cyromancer class and leave Wardens to hunting, nature healing and maybe poison and disease instead of ice.

Just delete the warden class. I know ZOS wants to.

MLGProPlayer

max_only wrote: »

HappyLittleTree wrote: »

The thing is. I don't want the bear i want a mighty Wamasu or Haj Mota to fight by my side.
The Bear will just get wet when striding through by beloved swamp.

They are going to sell skins for the bear as other animals, don’t you worry. That is a Guarantee when they made a new section in Collections for combat pets. Personally I want a wolf.

Nobody plays the warden because it sucks. If they want to sell pet skins, they'll need people to actually play the class, which requires buffing it.

MLGProPlayer

max_only wrote: »

Are you really going forward with this 30% reduction?

Try it without the reduction and let’s see if people will play Warden more. If there is a population surge in Wardens then Im wrong, the bear is OP. And not on dummy parses. On a vet boss that moves (I know someone is going to do the vaults of madness end boss who is completely stationary to make a point).

That someone is going to be a ZOS employee. That's how they test the warden class.

RedRook

_Ahala_ wrote: »

We need ice magic so we are more than Stamdens using the wrong morphs

Ouch.

MLGProPlayer

Glurin wrote: »

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

Frankly, ZOS needs to stop nerfing period. If they can't learn to balance by keeping one class like it is and making the other classes better, then fire the guy and get someone who can do that. Sorry but I'm getting sick of seeing balance based on nerfs for PvP that reflect badly on PvE. They are going to ruin the game.

It's not that simple. The reason for the bear nerf is so that they can buff other things to bring warden base damage up and make them less reliant on the bear. If they only did buffs, the bear would just end up that much stronger and the problem would remain. In fact it could very well end up causing other problems, like the bear doing way too much damage all by himself. Not just in PvP, but PvE as well.

These changes achieved nothing. Instead of other players telling us to "uninstall and set your computer on fire", we're just going to get "uninstall" whispers now. It's still terrible DPS.

Nerouyn

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Nobody plays the warden because it sucks.

Well I do, but I don't see very many others.

There are multiple problems though.

1) They were locked in a DLC. Not everyone bought it.

2) If you've already done the levelling, skyshard, lorebook, horsefeeding, trait research, motif and recipe grind for other classes, starting all that over from scratch isn't going to be terribly appealing. If I didn't have a preference for both nature themed classes and healing, I wouldn't have bothered.

3) They're a bit limited, especially for mag. 4 class damage abilities is very meager compared to other classes and only one of the heals from the dedicated healing line - budding seeds - is generally worth slotting. Even then it needs to be backed up with at least a few resto staff heals.

Probably not so bad for stamina or hybrids because at least there's 4 weapon skill lines + fighter's guild + werewolf. For damage, mag only have 1 weapon skill line, 2 mage guild abilities and 1 psijic ability.

fierackas

Nerouyn wrote: »

Probably not so bad for stamina or hybrids because at least there's 4 weapon skill lines + fighter's guild + werewolf. For damage, mag only have 1 weapon skill line, 2 mage guild abilities and 1 psijic ability.

From a Stamden perspective this is true but if you're not using the bear anymore what is the point of playing a toon that is just a vanilla stamina dps with access to a couple of useful buffs? The only time someone would choose Stamden over Nightblade for example was if they wanted access to Shalks for PvP because they had read how 'awesome' Stamdens are in that environment.

Feric51

Nerouyn wrote: »

3) They're a bit limited, especially for mag. 4 class damage abilities is very meager compared to other classes and only one of the heals from the dedicated healing line - budding seeds - is generally worth slotting. Even then it needs to be backed up with at least a few resto staff heals.

Not to discredit what you're saying (I actually agree), but this is what we've been clamoring about for years when it comes to stam sorcs. Hurricane and Crit Surge are really the only two viable class skills on a stam sorc, with Dark Deal a dark horse third.

Glimmer50

The bear nerf is really bad. I tried to play last night and I just can't. This is horrible in my humble opinion. The buffs no way make up for the huge bear nerf. And the gray bear was behind a pay wall so it sucks to have spent the money and now you can't even play the class. I beyond bummed out about this change.

ezio45

Here is a thought, what if most players complain about changes to sorc and nb..... because 1 more players have them and 2 know what to complain about......

I literally play sorc all the time..... I dont know what nerfs a dk cares about, by all means I would love to see dk buffed, I dont know what they want buffed but by god buff them

I dont know what nerfs to your strange warden class you care about but yes by god I support them being reverted

only thing I want to see nerfed rn is zos combat team

DanteYoda

I'm playing other games now instead, great balance patch when customers move off the game.. New business strategy lol

LeHarrt91

Yeah Magicka warden needs some love. Ideally an adjustment to Swarm and ice dps would be good. Also bump Piercing Cold to 8% maybe.

max_only

My bear is dying in Public Dungeon fights now

You might as well make them immortal everywhere. It’s an ultimate for chrissakes why are you punishing us?

qbit

geonsocal wrote: »

for some reason, your thread title inspired me to fire one up...

I’m going to burn one too. Thanks for the suggestion.

MooseKnuckles88

max_only wrote: »

My bear is dying in Public Dungeon fights now

You might as well make them immortal everywhere. It’s an ultimate for chrissakes why are you punishing us?

Do you carry self heals? Aren't we able to heal our bears now? I'm on console, so I have a little bit longer to wait until I can see how it is first hand. I slot mushrooms and the flower when soloing. The mushrooms might help keep the bear alive assuming you don't have that slotted and if healing the bear is possible.

Sylvermynx

It seems to me that the flowers heal the bear, though I'm not seeing it lose much health - though the only boss I've been doing is the one (and his ogre sidekick) in Divad's Chagrin. I'm just getting as many tickets out of this event as I can before I go on to testing extensively.

max_only

MooseKnuckles88 wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

My bear is dying in Public Dungeon fights now

You might as well make them immortal everywhere. It’s an ultimate for chrissakes why are you punishing us?

Do you carry self heals? Aren't we able to heal our bears now? I'm on console, so I have a little bit longer to wait until I can see how it is first hand. I slot mushrooms and the flower when soloing. The mushrooms might help keep the bear alive assuming you don't have that slotted and if healing the bear is possible.

I use vines or lotus normally. I’m not magicka based so most of the green tree doesn’t help me. Vines helps me when I’m receiving damage as a tank, Lotus helps me when I’m doing damage when I’m solo. Right now I’m training up Energy Orb to help in a few trial fights and the orb does heal the bear sufficiently. It’s not as fun as it used to be though.

MLGProPlayer

max_only wrote: »

My bear is dying in Public Dungeon fights now

You might as well make them immortal everywhere. It’s an ultimate for chrissakes why are you punishing us?

This is a bug. Pets have no resistance in overland content right now so they die instantly to everything. ZOS has said a fix is coming next incremental patch.

Feric51

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

My bear is dying in Public Dungeon fights now

You might as well make them immortal everywhere. It’s an ultimate for chrissakes why are you punishing us?

This is a bug. Pets have no resistance in overland content right now so they die instantly to everything. ZOS has said a fix is coming next incremental patch.

My concern is this won't make the live release of Murkmire to Console and we all know there is no such thing as incremental patches on console.....

Glurin

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

My bear is dying in Public Dungeon fights now

You might as well make them immortal everywhere. It’s an ultimate for chrissakes why are you punishing us?

This is a bug. Pets have no resistance in overland content right now so they die instantly to everything. ZOS has said a fix is coming next incremental patch.

Ah, that explains things. After the patch I noticed my bear getting killed an awful lot, which is like salt in the damage nerf wound. Thought I must have been doing something wrong since I didn't see anything in the patch notes about bear survivability other than the bit about not dying in dungeons and trials, which of course renders one of the bear morphs completely useless. And not hyperbolic useless either. I mean the original definition of literally useless.