Summerfall and Micro Transactions...

Unknown_Redemption

p00tx wrote: »

Regardless of what the outcome is (micro-transactions and crown store spending), the only thing that really matters here is what the community intended to do when they agreed to work together for once rather than pointlessly trolling one another. The awesome house notwithstanding, I'm really proud of this community for coming together and working toward a common goal, and then succeeding at that goal.

We need to learn to appreciate the positives in this life instead of constantly focusing so intently on all of the negatives.

Thats like saying, "I am really proud of those cattle lining up for the slaughter house, they were all going to same direction." There was no goal. Just a means to a dollar.

anadandy

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

killahsin wrote: »

Only video game players can complain about getting a massive free house.

I am complaining about the warm and fuzzy memes.

Yeah, it totally sucks when people are happy and celebrating an accomplishment.

RedTalon

Given how many crafters the game has, your not going have to buy packs if you don't want to


Me I am planning on putting my pet monkey in the house, that may be the only placement I do may give him a romate though unsure at this point...But my monkey has his own house now.

Unknown_Redemption

Linaleah wrote: »

anadandy wrote: »

It must be such a burden to always be the smartest person in the room...

I'm pretty sure most people were aware of the marketing aspects behind this event. Just like when you get a "free" coffee from someplace - it's because they want to get you through the door to maybe also buy a doughnut or a sandwich...

But also many of us didn't care - because it was fun. It was a way for the community to come together and achieve something as a group without some crazy grind. I had a blast porting people to places, and I ventured onto the EU server for the first time ever and met some really cool people.

this. and its not like anyone is forcing you to buy any of the furnishing packs, or any crown store furniture in general. there is a LOT and I do mean a LOT of furniture in this game that looks awesome and is earned entirely through in game activities.

I was planning on the house costing 25k Crowns furnished prior to Summerfall, and I was going to buy it. I am annoyed at the University of Phoenix - Online caliber marketing stunt and placebo community achievement.

Linaleah

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Regardless of what the outcome is (micro-transactions and crown store spending), the only thing that really matters here is what the community intended to do when they agreed to work together for once rather than pointlessly trolling one another. The awesome house notwithstanding, I'm really proud of this community for coming together and working toward a common goal, and then succeeding at that goal.

We need to learn to appreciate the positives in this life instead of constantly focusing so intently on all of the negatives.

Thats like saying, "I am really proud of those cattle lining up for the slaughter house, they were all going to same direction." There was no goal. Just a means to a dollar.

did you seriously just compare an in game achievement to a slaughter house? really dude? REALLY?

even if the numbers were predetermined (which I still think they were, I was just off by one day as to when we'd get 100%).. it was lovely to see community helping each other with ports, it was lovely to see guilds organizing events around getting acheivement done and its going to be LOVELY to decorate this house that I originally thought they were going to charge is 15k+ crowns for.

but god forbid for profit company actualy uses "gasp" marketing tactics, especially when those tactics result in something shiny at low effort for their customers

Unknown_Redemption

anadandy wrote: »

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

killahsin wrote: »

Only video game players can complain about getting a massive free house.

I am complaining about the warm and fuzzy memes.

Yeah, it totally sucks when people are happy and celebrating an accomplishment.

There was no accomplishment. Hence the hidden numbers surrounding the event and the perfect timing of Octobers showcase.

Linaleah

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

anadandy wrote: »

It must be such a burden to always be the smartest person in the room...

I'm pretty sure most people were aware of the marketing aspects behind this event. Just like when you get a "free" coffee from someplace - it's because they want to get you through the door to maybe also buy a doughnut or a sandwich...

But also many of us didn't care - because it was fun. It was a way for the community to come together and achieve something as a group without some crazy grind. I had a blast porting people to places, and I ventured onto the EU server for the first time ever and met some really cool people.

this. and its not like anyone is forcing you to buy any of the furnishing packs, or any crown store furniture in general. there is a LOT and I do mean a LOT of furniture in this game that looks awesome and is earned entirely through in game activities.

I was planning on the house costing 25k Crowns furnished prior to Summerfall, and I was going to buy it. I am annoyed at the University of Phoenix - Online caliber marketing stunt and placebo community achievement.

you are a ray of sunshine aren;t you. why do I get the feeling that the real reason you are annoyed is that "unwashed masses" get to have an awesome house without having to pay 25k crowns for it?

Hippie4927

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

We get a free house and now the complaints begin! Ungrateful much?

The Crown Items for October and the 100% Completion for Summerfall should have been spread out, maybe by a few hours. Im not complaining, I am just surprised at the marketing derp.

I wouldn't call it a "marketing derp' just because they didn't spread them out. Most knew this was coming but it doesn't negate the fact that the community came together to work towards a common goal regardless of that goal being pre-determined. People being nice to each other is always a good thing!

Oh, yeah! And we got free stuff!

RedTalon

Always funny how the same people who said you wouldn't get it free are now falling back on this stuff to darken the day, sad also.

But a broken clock is right twice a day, just not the right hours it seems.

Lord_Eomer

After long time, I want to Thank ZOS for this present!

Unknown_Redemption

Linaleah wrote: »

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Regardless of what the outcome is (micro-transactions and crown store spending), the only thing that really matters here is what the community intended to do when they agreed to work together for once rather than pointlessly trolling one another. The awesome house notwithstanding, I'm really proud of this community for coming together and working toward a common goal, and then succeeding at that goal.

We need to learn to appreciate the positives in this life instead of constantly focusing so intently on all of the negatives.

Thats like saying, "I am really proud of those cattle lining up for the slaughter house, they were all going to same direction." There was no goal. Just a means to a dollar.

did you seriously just compare an in game achievement to a slaughter house? really dude? REALLY?

even if the numbers were predetermined (which I still think they were, I was just off by one day as to when we'd get 100%).. it was lovely to see community helping each other with ports, it was lovely to see guilds organizing events around getting acheivement done and its going to be LOVELY to decorate this house that I originally thought they were going to charge is 15k+ crowns for.

but god forbid for profit company actualy uses "gasp" marketing tactics, especially when those tactics result in something shiny at low effort for their customers

You're missing the point. I WANT COMMUNITY ACCOMPLISHMENTS. But this was an exploit of players' good nature and encouraged teamwork for something fake. When people catch on, it will discourage future rallies as people will be cynical. Thats the issue, its not the rewards, it not that ESO is for profit, its that this was done very-very poorly.

firedrgn

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

This was not about community, it was only about micro transactions It was rigged, slow down on the friendship memes.

https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/54891
Summerset Noble’s Bathing Pack:
The Summerset Noble’s Bathing Pack will be available on all platforms starting on October 8. (This and the other Summerset Furnishing Packs pair perfectly with the Grand Psijic Villa!)

Summerset Noble’s Bedroom Pack:
The Summerset Noble’s Bedroom Pack will be available on all platforms starting on October 8. (This and the other Summerset Furnishing Packs pair perfectly with the Grand Psijic Villa!)

Summerset Noble’s Kitchen Pack:
The Summerset Noble’s Kitchen Pack will be available on all platforms starting on October 8. (This and the other Summerset Furnishing Packs pair perfectly with the Grand Psijic Villa!)

Summerset Noble’s Parlor Pack:
The Summerset Noble’s Parlor Pack will be available on all platforms starting on October 8. (This and the other Summerset Furnishing Packs pair perfectly with the Grand Psijic Villa!)

It was not malicious . It was all upfront. Dont fain supprise so you can fling mud.

No one needs your service announcements.

Turelus

Well most of us cynical folk believe that, however it doesn't take away from the fact the community came together and did amazing things.

I think everyone wins with this event.

VaranisArano

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Regardless of what the outcome is (micro-transactions and crown store spending), the only thing that really matters here is what the community intended to do when they agreed to work together for once rather than pointlessly trolling one another. The awesome house notwithstanding, I'm really proud of this community for coming together and working toward a common goal, and then succeeding at that goal.

We need to learn to appreciate the positives in this life instead of constantly focusing so intently on all of the negatives.

Thats like saying, "I am really proud of those cattle lining up for the slaughter house, they were all going to same direction." There was no goal. Just a means to a dollar.

did you seriously just compare an in game achievement to a slaughter house? really dude? REALLY?

even if the numbers were predetermined (which I still think they were, I was just off by one day as to when we'd get 100%).. it was lovely to see community helping each other with ports, it was lovely to see guilds organizing events around getting acheivement done and its going to be LOVELY to decorate this house that I originally thought they were going to charge is 15k+ crowns for.

but god forbid for profit company actualy uses "gasp" marketing tactics, especially when those tactics result in something shiny at low effort for their customers

You're missing the point. I WANT COMMUNITY ACCOMPLISHMENTS. But this was an exploit of players' good nature and encouraged teamwork for something fake. When people catch on, it will discourage future rallies as people will be cynical. Thats the issue, its not the rewards, it not that ESO is for profit, its that this was done very-very poorly.

I'm plenty cynical already. Got the Pathfinder achievement on both servers anyway.

Basically, you dont care that this was a marketing stunt. You just want ZOS to hide it better.

Me, I dont care that this was a marketing stunt. I already knew that. Its ZOS. Of course its a marketing stunt. I did it anyway.

Maryal

I've never bought a furniture pack and I don't plan to. This isn't about micro transactions ... geeze. Most people I know craft their own furniture, buy from guild stores, luxury vendor, achievement vendors, etc.

Revelzdevelz

I cannot believe a company would promote something and try to make money. OMG what a evil tactic. Someone get this gun from my head making my buy stuffs I dont need to progress in the game. I cant even imagine the kind of gentle feelings I would need to have to feel upset over this stupid notion.

Mister_DMC

Excellent marketing strategy. It worked, people should be happy and Zos sold more copies of summerset. Win Win for everyone. Stop complaining.

Linaleah

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Regardless of what the outcome is (micro-transactions and crown store spending), the only thing that really matters here is what the community intended to do when they agreed to work together for once rather than pointlessly trolling one another. The awesome house notwithstanding, I'm really proud of this community for coming together and working toward a common goal, and then succeeding at that goal.

We need to learn to appreciate the positives in this life instead of constantly focusing so intently on all of the negatives.

Thats like saying, "I am really proud of those cattle lining up for the slaughter house, they were all going to same direction." There was no goal. Just a means to a dollar.

did you seriously just compare an in game achievement to a slaughter house? really dude? REALLY?

even if the numbers were predetermined (which I still think they were, I was just off by one day as to when we'd get 100%).. it was lovely to see community helping each other with ports, it was lovely to see guilds organizing events around getting acheivement done and its going to be LOVELY to decorate this house that I originally thought they were going to charge is 15k+ crowns for.

but god forbid for profit company actualy uses "gasp" marketing tactics, especially when those tactics result in something shiny at low effort for their customers

You're missing the point. I WANT COMMUNITY ACCOMPLISHMENTS. But this was an exploit of players' good nature and encouraged teamwork for something fake. When people catch on, it will discourage future rallies as people will be cynical. Thats the issue, its not the rewards, it not that ESO is for profit, its that this was done very-very poorly.

oh for god's sakes. it encouraged community coming together. was that fake too? who cares of the goals were predetermined. which we don't know for sure, we are guessing but don't know for sure. community STILL came together, and that was NOT fake

Hippie4927

This thread made me think of this...........





You can't please everyone!

Cardthief

Its almost as if ZoS was a company trying to make money to pay its employees and further develop the game? Oh wait...

Seriously though, not only was this event good for marketing AND morale, but yes, this gave players incentive to buy Summerset as well as some furnishing packs IF they wanted. If you arn't poor however then you can buy all the furnishings you want with gold if you dont want to use real money.

At the end of the day its an MMO, they need to pay their employees/company/future development, and cosmetics sell. Don't be upset that we live in a world run by currency.

Revelzdevelz

Hippie4927 wrote: »

This thread made me think of this...........





You can't please everyone!

um, I see room for whiskey

Hippie4927

Revelzdevelz wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

This thread made me think of this...........





You can't please everyone!

um, I see room for whiskey

Hopefully, not in the third glass!

ProfessorKittyhawk

Posts like these confuse me. Like, is someone twisting your arm to buy these? We all got some cool (YMMV) stuff that only required owning Summerset which many already had, and probably incentivised others to buy it while it was on sale. The goal of the achievement was a simple one. Was this a marketing strategy? Absolutely. It sold more copies of the game, brought more people into it, and got the community working together towards a common goal.

Never understand why so many people have to demonize a company for having some dark ulterior motive for a fun, innocent event like this. They're here to entertain us and make money. That's what games are for. If people aren't having fun or being given a cool prize every now and then, they stop playing. If they stop playing the company loses money. Of they lose too much, the game dies. And as evidenced by this event, it doesn't seem like anyone wants this to happen just yet. Regardless of whatever changes come to the game that might upset certain individuals or whatever seemingly skeevy businesses practices the company might enact, at the end of the day we're all here to have fun.

If you don't want the furniture packs or whatever other baubles they sell in the store, don't buy it. And if you dont want or like the prizes from this event, don't use them. But don't ever say ZOS never gives or does anything for its players and customers. Best not to look a gift horse in the mouth.

Unknown_Redemption

VaranisArano wrote: »

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Regardless of what the outcome is (micro-transactions and crown store spending), the only thing that really matters here is what the community intended to do when they agreed to work together for once rather than pointlessly trolling one another. The awesome house notwithstanding, I'm really proud of this community for coming together and working toward a common goal, and then succeeding at that goal.

We need to learn to appreciate the positives in this life instead of constantly focusing so intently on all of the negatives.

Thats like saying, "I am really proud of those cattle lining up for the slaughter house, they were all going to same direction." There was no goal. Just a means to a dollar.

did you seriously just compare an in game achievement to a slaughter house? really dude? REALLY?

even if the numbers were predetermined (which I still think they were, I was just off by one day as to when we'd get 100%).. it was lovely to see community helping each other with ports, it was lovely to see guilds organizing events around getting acheivement done and its going to be LOVELY to decorate this house that I originally thought they were going to charge is 15k+ crowns for.

but god forbid for profit company actualy uses "gasp" marketing tactics, especially when those tactics result in something shiny at low effort for their customers

You're missing the point. I WANT COMMUNITY ACCOMPLISHMENTS. But this was an exploit of players' good nature and encouraged teamwork for something fake. When people catch on, it will discourage future rallies as people will be cynical. Thats the issue, its not the rewards, it not that ESO is for profit, its that this was done very-very poorly.

I'm plenty cynical already. Got the Pathfinder achievement on both servers anyway.

Basically, you dont care that this was a marketing stunt. You just want ZOS to hide it better.

Me, I dont care that this was a marketing stunt. I already knew that. Its ZOS. Of course its a marketing stunt. I did it anyway.

Correct. If they are going to try and deceive us, do it right.

p00tx

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Regardless of what the outcome is (micro-transactions and crown store spending), the only thing that really matters here is what the community intended to do when they agreed to work together for once rather than pointlessly trolling one another. The awesome house notwithstanding, I'm really proud of this community for coming together and working toward a common goal, and then succeeding at that goal.

We need to learn to appreciate the positives in this life instead of constantly focusing so intently on all of the negatives.

Thats like saying, "I am really proud of those cattle lining up for the slaughter house, they were all going to same direction." There was no goal. Just a means to a dollar.

That's a bit dramatic, but I can appreciate your sentiment. You need to understand though that Zos is a company, and companies make money. Companies are not in the business of giving away profits for no reason. This will never ever ever change (unless you want to change the dominant economic system...good luck with that), so the only thing we as consumers can do is choose to interact within the parameters of that reality to find joy in the things we do with one another. We chose to do this, knowing full well what the intent was, because the outcome was something greater than that. Stop focusing so hard on the negatives. You're just making yourself miserable.

Linaleah

oh and btw, we knew those packs were going to be on sale for weeks now. becasue.. datamines! and those get posted right here, on general forums.

some people look at it and go - ugh, ZoS, how dare you and some of us looked at it as cool, that means we are getting the house for sure!. and STILl did the achievements, just in case there WAS a counter. and becasue it was fun to meet and help new people, or run around with your guildies.

LadyNalcarya

Of course they are going to sell this stuff. These packs were datamined a while ago, and this is the perfect time to release them. This event was obviously created to push sales, not because they are just so generous. Everyone likes free stuff (even if its not technically "free") and good publicity means more sales.
Still, a free house + some optional furniture packs is better than 15k crown house + same packs, and getting 3 gifts for buying discounted Summerset is still a good deal.

VaranisArano

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Regardless of what the outcome is (micro-transactions and crown store spending), the only thing that really matters here is what the community intended to do when they agreed to work together for once rather than pointlessly trolling one another. The awesome house notwithstanding, I'm really proud of this community for coming together and working toward a common goal, and then succeeding at that goal.

We need to learn to appreciate the positives in this life instead of constantly focusing so intently on all of the negatives.

Thats like saying, "I am really proud of those cattle lining up for the slaughter house, they were all going to same direction." There was no goal. Just a means to a dollar.

did you seriously just compare an in game achievement to a slaughter house? really dude? REALLY?

even if the numbers were predetermined (which I still think they were, I was just off by one day as to when we'd get 100%).. it was lovely to see community helping each other with ports, it was lovely to see guilds organizing events around getting acheivement done and its going to be LOVELY to decorate this house that I originally thought they were going to charge is 15k+ crowns for.

but god forbid for profit company actualy uses "gasp" marketing tactics, especially when those tactics result in something shiny at low effort for their customers

You're missing the point. I WANT COMMUNITY ACCOMPLISHMENTS. But this was an exploit of players' good nature and encouraged teamwork for something fake. When people catch on, it will discourage future rallies as people will be cynical. Thats the issue, its not the rewards, it not that ESO is for profit, its that this was done very-very poorly.

I'm plenty cynical already. Got the Pathfinder achievement on both servers anyway.

Basically, you dont care that this was a marketing stunt. You just want ZOS to hide it better.

Me, I dont care that this was a marketing stunt. I already knew that. Its ZOS. Of course its a marketing stunt. I did it anyway.

Correct. If they are going to try and deceive us, do it right.

Its ZOS. By now, everything they do is assumed to be a marketing ploy until proved otherwise.

Kiralyn2000

It must be tiring, going through life assuming an antagonistic relationship with everything/everyone. Like game devs.

Personally, I love houses and decorating them. I haven't bought a single furniture pack from the crown store - they're too big, too expensive, and generally contain one thing I'd really like and some other stuff. And I'm not going to pay 4k crowns for one item. Maybe it's thinking too much of my fellow players, but I assume that they skip on the packs, too.

Also, all the people who didn't already do housing or had big houses? They didn't spend lots of crowns on housing before, they're not likely to start now, just because the house is big & empty.

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

You're missing the point. I WANT COMMUNITY ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

Now, I may not consider game devs to be antagonists to me, but I am cynical enough that I never expected this "event" to not have been a planned outcome from the start. Between the vaguely-defined goal and the no-context "% completed!" bar, I figured they were fudging the numbers from the start. Some marketing and consumer psychology people figured out how to advance the bar each day in order to drum up Player Enthusiasm!™, and that's how it was going to be. Whether to spur extra Summerset purchases, get people to make characters on new servers, just get people logging in more & longer.... either way, it was all planned out ahead of time.

(and so was the fact that people are getting 100k gold from this month's daily logins. Heck with the "omg, it'll destablize the economy!" panic, I'd bet that a large amount of it is going to be sunk into furniture for the house. And they had this planned at least one if not two months ago. Again, maybe I'm being cynical. On the other hand, it doesn't upset me. It's just a game, it's no big deal. /shrug)

JJBoomer

No, I doubt they will charge that much. That would be dumb on their part. All of this was to make themselves look good, right?

what then would be the point of charging 5k for furnishing packs which would make this community turn right around and start bashing them on another large scale. That's just idiotic. And I don't believe they are that stupid.

I can see them doing 2k, or 2.5k per pack.