Will Warden Healers be a thing now?

gamerguy757

So with only Warden getting Minor Toughness, do you guys think a Warden Healer will be meta? They have their "Oh ****" heal, they can use orbs for resources for teams, plus Minor Toughness.

Lyserus

Well, don't know about hardcore endgame, but my stam warden healer just healed hm Falkreach yesterday...

geonsocal

I was running out of races to choose from when the wardens were introduced...

made an argonian mag warden (currently in rattlecage, shacklebreaker, troll king)...between ice fortress, shimmering shield, combat prayer - he's hard as heck to kill...plus, he can pretty much spam trees (heroic slash, shimmering shield, enchanted forest, decisive weapons)...

the only challenge is it's been hard to build for doing decent damage...

so, in pvp does really well...in pve - being successful in vet pledge dungeons is really dependant on other folks being able to dps well...

I'm sure though with a little tinkering I could lower his survivability a bit and raise his damage specifically when doing dungeons (probably just switch from resto/SnB to resto/destro)...

Tryxus

Warden healers were alrdy a thing, thank you very much

ezio45

no honestly i see them just being forced into an off tank role.

To be brutally honest i dont want warden healers, ive ran vet content with them many time and the heals are always lacking at least from a vet trials perspective.

I dont think the warden was a good choice to be added to the game, compared to the others it feels like a mix mash of traits that the other classes have, lacking an identity or niche of its own. I think they need to pull back and really look at how the warden benefits grps because just being a giant mass of buffs isnt really beneficial when they cant to any of the roles well.

And cuz ik i have to specify thats not because the other classes are over preforming at certain role it is because other classes are capable of those roles

MyKillv2.0

Warden healers were a thing before this patch. You seriously need to stop listening to old Gilliam vids....

Warden hate is so last year,

ezio45

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

Warden healers were a thing before this patch. You seriously need to stop listening to old Gilliam vids....

Warden hate is so last year,

Ill keep my warden hate and templar healers

Jounin13

I like my warden healer it does find in group content. Though I annoy my guild when we're all in discord because the only way I can heal with it is talking it through so i'm like Forest grow, and you need some shrooms, how about some flowers, purge, oo more flowers, etc....

OrdoHermetica

My guild runs a Warden and a Templar healer on vet Trials regularly, and have been doing so for a while. We do fine. They're definitely already a thing, and have been for a while. Though, granted, I think they could be improved a fair amount before they start to outclass magplar healers, so I'm down for this.

RedRook

Jounin13 wrote: »

I like my warden healer it does find in group content. Though I annoy my guild when we're all in discord because the only way I can heal with it is talking it through so i'm like Forest grow, and you need some shrooms, how about some flowers, purge, oo more flowers, etc....

Wardens are meant to have a strong connection with Y'ffre the Storyteller...

zaria

Lyserus wrote: »

Well, don't know about hardcore endgame, but my stam warden healer just healed hm Falkreach yesterday...

Impressive, always thought the stam warden healer was a DD/ heal setup to get fast pugs without being fake.

StrafeSinnlos

We cleared all DLC vet hm dungeons up to Wolfhunter ones with a warden healer, so I don't see a problem with that.

Mister_DMC

ezio45 wrote: »

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

Warden healers were a thing before this patch. You seriously need to stop listening to old Gilliam vids....

Warden hate is so last year,

Ill keep my warden hate and templar healers

You're always dead on the floor anyways... Even on a mag sorc.

DanteYoda

No because their heals are still not as good as resto staff..

Taleof2Cities

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So with only Warden getting Minor Toughness, do you guys think a Warden Healer will be meta? They have their "Oh ****" heal, they can use orbs for resources for teams, plus Minor Toughness.

I've been playing a Warden Healer in end game PvP for months now ... this thread is late to the party.

DanteYoda

I tried to do warden healers and no one would let me be in dungeon groups, they said warden healers were crap and that i need to to take resto staff skills instead (because they can do more for the teams and are required) so i dropped healing completely as i did not want resto staff.

I basically gave up because the dungeon community looks down on warden heals.

_Ahala_

Warden healers aren’t meta already?

AbysmalGhul

Wardens in general are squishy no matter how much you try and tweak them.

*Edit I think they're meh healers

Mister_DMC

DanteYoda wrote: »

I tried to do warden healers and no one would let me be in dungeon groups, they said warden healers were crap and that i need to to take resto staff skills instead (because they can do more for the teams and are required) so i dropped healing completely as i did not want resto staff.

I basically gave up because the dungeon community looks down on warden heals.

Templars use a restoration staff as well. All healers should use a resto staff. That's like a DPS using only their class skills...

firedrgn

Their green skills are abit lack luster of u ask me. Just like their magic dps.
Puts on fire proof underwear.

AlienatedGoat

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Wardens in general are squishy no matter how much you try and tweak them.

*Edit I think they're meh healers

Run both a warden and templar healer.

Wardens are definitely not more squishy than a templar, and have better sustain to boot.

AbysmalGhul

Phage wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Wardens in general are squishy no matter how much you try and tweak them.

*Edit I think they're meh healers

Run both a warden and templar healer.

Wardens are definitely not more squishy than a templar, and have better sustain to boot.

I have and wardens are meh. I've never deleted a character so hard before. They're squishy dps and mediocre support/healers

AlienatedGoat

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Wardens in general are squishy no matter how much you try and tweak them.

*Edit I think they're meh healers

Run both a warden and templar healer.

Wardens are definitely not more squishy than a templar, and have better sustain to boot.

I have and wardens are meh. I've never deleted a character so hard before. They're squishy dps and mediocre support/healers

You're entitled to your opinion.

I think you're wrong. :P I run both in vet trials, and honestly the sweet spot is having one of each on the roster. Only way I could justify not having a warden on the roster is if it was a score run, and even then, with wardens getting exclusive minor toughness that might change.

AbysmalGhul

*sees fields of Argonian wardens running around with floating orbs

DanteYoda

Mister_DMC wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

I tried to do warden healers and no one would let me be in dungeon groups, they said warden healers were crap and that i need to to take resto staff skills instead (because they can do more for the teams and are required) so i dropped healing completely as i did not want resto staff.

I basically gave up because the dungeon community looks down on warden heals.

Templars use a restoration staff as well. All healers should use a resto staff. That's like a DPS using only their class skills...

What the point then.. why even use warden healing when just using resto healing is better.. seems like a pointless skill line on both then.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

DanteYoda wrote: »

Mister_DMC wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

I tried to do warden healers and no one would let me be in dungeon groups, they said warden healers were crap and that i need to to take resto staff skills instead (because they can do more for the teams and are required) so i dropped healing completely as i did not want resto staff.

I basically gave up because the dungeon community looks down on warden heals.

Templars use a restoration staff as well. All healers should use a resto staff. That's like a DPS using only their class skills...

What the point then.. why even use warden healing when just using resto healing is better.. seems like a pointless skill line on both then.

My temp only uses honor the dead and extended ritual(I will be adding repentance back next patch, so that is something). My warden uses green lotus, bursting vines and enchanted growth. Both my healers most used skills are combat prayer and healing springs. With anything but a bad group, you don't really need anything else.

DanteYoda

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Mister_DMC wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

I tried to do warden healers and no one would let me be in dungeon groups, they said warden healers were crap and that i need to to take resto staff skills instead (because they can do more for the teams and are required) so i dropped healing completely as i did not want resto staff.

I basically gave up because the dungeon community looks down on warden heals.

Templars use a restoration staff as well. All healers should use a resto staff. That's like a DPS using only their class skills...

What the point then.. why even use warden healing when just using resto healing is better.. seems like a pointless skill line on both then.

My temp only uses honor the dead and extended ritual(I will be adding repentance back next patch, so that is something). My warden uses green lotus, bursting vines and enchanted growth. Both my healers most used skills are combat prayer and healing springs. With anything but a bad group, you don't really need anything else.

But if you took away the warden and templar skills the healing would be just as good.

Narvuntien

In short: definitely.

I expect to see warden healers and Dk tanks for easier content and Warden tanks and Templar healers for harder content. Dks boost group damage wardens boost group defense.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

DanteYoda wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Mister_DMC wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

I tried to do warden healers and no one would let me be in dungeon groups, they said warden healers were crap and that i need to to take resto staff skills instead (because they can do more for the teams and are required) so i dropped healing completely as i did not want resto staff.

I basically gave up because the dungeon community looks down on warden heals.

Templars use a restoration staff as well. All healers should use a resto staff. That's like a DPS using only their class skills...

What the point then.. why even use warden healing when just using resto healing is better.. seems like a pointless skill line on both then.

My temp only uses honor the dead and extended ritual(I will be adding repentance back next patch, so that is something). My warden uses green lotus, bursting vines and enchanted growth. Both my healers most used skills are combat prayer and healing springs. With anything but a bad group, you don't really need anything else.

But if you took away the warden and templar skills the healing would be just as good.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. I agree with your statement, that you can heal without using class skills just fine, you seem to think this is a bad thing, I am perfectly fine with it. There are a lot of healers I meet in the group finder that only use breath and never combat prayer. I have completed all the content on my warden just fine as healer. Same as my temp healer. The way the game works, if you want, you can just use resto staff heals, every class can. You think this bad? And now wardens will be the only way to get the minor health buff, they are much more valuable.

DanteYoda

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

Mister_DMC wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

I tried to do warden healers and no one would let me be in dungeon groups, they said warden healers were crap and that i need to to take resto staff skills instead (because they can do more for the teams and are required) so i dropped healing completely as i did not want resto staff.

I basically gave up because the dungeon community looks down on warden heals.

Templars use a restoration staff as well. All healers should use a resto staff. That's like a DPS using only their class skills...

What the point then.. why even use warden healing when just using resto healing is better.. seems like a pointless skill line on both then.

My temp only uses honor the dead and extended ritual(I will be adding repentance back next patch, so that is something). My warden uses green lotus, bursting vines and enchanted growth. Both my healers most used skills are combat prayer and healing springs. With anything but a bad group, you don't really need anything else.

But if you took away the warden and templar skills the healing would be just as good.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. I agree with your statement, that you can heal without using class skills just fine, you seem to think this is a bad thing, I am perfectly fine with it. There are a lot of healers I meet in the group finder that only use breath and never combat prayer. I have completed all the content on my warden just fine as healer. Same as my temp healer. The way the game works, if you want, you can just use resto staff heals, every class can. You think this bad? And now wardens will be the only way to get the minor health buff, they are much more valuable.

What i mean is why have two skill lines that don't really heal well compared to resto staff why on earth didn't they make resto warden and templar all heal as good as each other.. Is choice really that bad here that only one type can ever do anything.